cliffpeterson

the j. j, johnson, hrs sessions, and mobley set limits are 7,500 copies, not 5,000, which might suggest that their license terms were intended to run longer than 5 years. If so, none of these three sets may be designated "running low" for a year or more. the copyright dates at the bottom of the on-line discographies for the johnson, wilson, and mobley sets, which might indicate when they were first issued by mosaic, are respectively 1996, 1997, and 1998. These dates might be further evidence that the johnson and wilson sets had longer terms than five years with the original license or that the original license terms were extended. the online hrs discography has no such date on it. the mulligan is also 7,500 copies and somewhere we were told that 2,500 copies were designated for europe and that those were all sold out. if so, then an assumption that if there were 2900 mulligan sets already sold and that that number included those in europe, would result in the implication that only 400 had been sold domestically. on the other hand, if 2900 sets had been sold in addition to those slated for europe, and all those sets in europe were sold, then the mulligan set would seem to be selling extremely well. whew!! I need a cup of coffee.

i haven't used one of these in a while. it says only one per customer. how are they going to know if you use one a day until the 13th?

1. brother jack mcduff's "that's the way I fell about it" on the concord label with andrew beals on alto, jerry weldon on tenor sax, john hart on guitar, kip reed on bass, rudy petschauer on drums, and chris potter on flutes. Concord 1997 release. 2. marian mcpartland's piano jazz with henry mancini released by the jazz alliance on the concord label. original broadcast date was march 14,1985. both of the above are new sealed cds. no signs of being cutouts or promos. each are $4.00 plus $2.00 for shipping and handling. send me a pm.

jack de johnette-zebra jackie mclean-antiquity on steeplechase with michael carvin phil woods-the lp which has never been reissued where he plays greek music and/or with greek musicians. john coltrane-om cassandra wilson-jump and dance to the drums

"the first day" is some of the music that was available on the mosaic ammons/lewis set.

in fact, the veejay sets may not be completely gone. as of yesterday around 10 am, mosaic still had three of the morgan/shorter set left. they also had a almonst complete chambers/kelly set that was missing only disc 6.

a few observations to the newbies to mosaic. first, immediately check out the "running low" link to see if there are any sets there that interest you. particularly if the sets have moved from "running low" to "last chance-" that generally means they are going like hotcakes. may only last a couple days when they move from the former to the latter. you can call and find out how many sets are left if you want. second, some of the regular mosaic sets are available in e and brock and mortar stores. this means you might find them discounted online or if you walk into a borders store for instance. typically, mosaic lets you know if a set is available in a store in their catalogues. a good time to check is the summer when towers has a 50% off sale. the other side of that story is that these sets might not commend as much money on resale. also, since some sets are avaiable through retail outlets-out of print sets may be found through such outlets, i.e, the ellington reprise is still probably available online from sources other than mosaic even though it is officially out of print (This summer I picked up the nat king cole at a major national distributor's sale-it has been out of print for five years). get on the mosaic mailing list on the web site-once in a blue moon (every couple years) they might have a 10% off sale or a sale combined with their trueblue distribution company that will make it worthwhile to buy at that time (they also announce these in their catalogues). there are other types of "inside" information you can cull from this board-like those sets which have been "ripped off" by other labels or which portion of a mosaic set has been reissued in other forms (i.e., herbie nichols (blue note), grant green with sonny clark (blue note), paul desmond (rca victor?), chet baker pacific jazz live dates (individual discs over time)). Also, mosaic sometimes has "partial" sets available-if an out of print set woudl have interested you, you might partially assuage your disapointment by buying the left over individual discs. oh, by the way, if you get hooked=don't blame it on this board. The board adminsitrator has reputedly taken out special liability insurance in order to cover such a possiblity. I have been buying mosaic sets since the early nineties and have rarely been disappointed in any of the sets that I have bought-and only then because of the high standards that mosaic has set. I can still remember debating about spending the money for the larry young set, not being familiar with his music at that time since, at that point in time (1992 plus or minus), blue note did not have any of this music out in circulation other than perhaps the releases done with grant green. man, what a feeling hearing unity for the first time. and then there was the buddy defranco set-hearing this clarinet soaring over sonny clark's piano. more recently I had somewhat the same experience when listening to the the capitol set.

when I spoke to mosaic this past friday, they were down to less than 60 sets for each veejay. the week before the count was around 100 each. want to gamble on which day next week they will be gone? oh yeah, monday is a holiday.

about 130 new orleans sets as of today

mosaic might have copies of disc two and four available. four has the shirley horn session which the verve two fer does not have

I saw what was probably my first jazz concert at the Cellar Door circa 1970/1971. It was Herbie Mann with an incredible band. I remember the whole band coming down off the stage and snacking around the tables.

I disagree with shrdlu. The bottom has not dropped out of the mosaic market on ebay. while not pulling in as many bucks as they regularly did a few years ago, I think one can say that mosaics will generally pull in double the retail price in approximately 12 months from when they officially go out of print. there are exceptions to this statement which constitutes part of the difference between the current market and what it was afew years ago. Some interim is necessary and explainable to allow everybody who did buy mosaics for investment purposes to sell them off on ebay to those who did not know about mosaic or were not able to buy the box sets before they went out of print. This may be part of the reason why the fullers and the rivers sets are not going for double their retail price-it has not been a long enough time for the market to absorb the those that were bought for resale in relationship to the respective demand for them. For that matter, the fuller and maybe the rivers have not been out of print for quite a year yet. on the other hand, boxes like the hamilton and the phillips do quite nicely. Perhaps the availability of japanese and domestic reissues of all or part of the individual releases that make up the boxes might impact the demand for some boxes. And not all labels have been as aggresive as blue note in reissuing product domestically, i.e., verve. want to bet that the few stuff smiths that go on ebay go for considerably more than retail? as for other sets based on blue note that have been out of print for more than a year, they seem to draw decent prices. didn't a morgan set recently go for over $200 recently? at $50 per disc that is nothing ot sneee at. on the other end of the spectrum are the sets that were released to other retailers, like the kenton set, ebay auctions for which regularly end up right around its retail price or less with a few exceptions. that said, investing in mosaics is not going to put your kid through school. however, it can defray the cost of future mosaic purchases

when the stuff smith went out so quickly, I asked about specific sets that seem to be of the same vintage including the mobley. I was told it was not likely to be put on running low in the near future because their license was for 7500 copies

alexander-you might be able to see her live since she lives close to the capital region-that is in cobleskill. the eighth step brings her in every other year or so, the van dyck occassionally books her, and various venues in the catskills will have her host a date, i.e., the rosendale cafe in kingston. also, she is on the umass summer jazz faculty so she participates in their concerts in july

BFRANK_what connection was there, is there between rhino on the west coast and the rhino store that has been in several locations in the general catskill area of upperstate new york? there is currently one store in new paltz, ny

friday I was told there were about 150 mitchell sets left.

thanks for the information

following ed swinnich's lead, I am considering getting discs 2 and 4 from mosaic, can anyone give me a quick run down of which sessions are included on these discs? the mosaic web site still has the discography however that does not indicate which sessions are on which discs. I figured out that the session with carl perkins on piano is on disc 2-what else is on that disc-the gillespie session? and does disc 4 have all of the the material with shirley horn? judging from a note on the discography, it would appear that disc 3 has the entire session with oscar peterson.

billie holiday remastered columbia material on a cbs 10 cd box set-sealed $50.00 plus tax. chrome-where did you go into the borders outlet store? around cleveland or michigan or someplace else? the last time i was at the 4 borders outlet store that ring cleveland last fall I thought that their musical stock has gone down dramatically in quality. anybody interested in the smithsonian 5 cd box set on jazz singers? can get them for around $30.00

mosaic-complete nat king cole on capitol box set of 18 discs-discs were new-shrink wrapped- with booklet and box. box was not wrapped-has some crinkled corners -$60.00 plus tax. barry harris plays barry harris-used cd-EPM reissue of xanadu date-$1.00 plus tax george benson-one of blue moon's subsidaries' reissue of the cafe caribe concert in plainfield new jersey-apparently includes all of the material-about 130 minutes worth-2 cds new-$10 plus tax

the really strange thing about that hamilton auction is that there is a second one that ends a day earlier that is half the price. one would think that, at this point, the earlier auction would have the larger price. plus there is no cross over in the bidders from one auction to the next.

It may have to do with the timing of events and how the license agreement was written, i.e., the license was given to manufacture the sets. apparently mosaic did not know that they had a problem until they went to manufacture their next batch to sit on their shelves. recognizing that the teddy wilson has a lower catalogue number than the smith, and assuming that the license for that one is over five year as probably the smith was, I asked mosaic this morning whether they could continue to sell the wilson. I was told yes though it was mentioned that the wilson set would probably go on the "running low" list later this year. In other words, MOsaic was not going to manufacture another batch. currently, there are over four hundred wilson sets available.

strange, I just talked to mosaic this morning and they said that there are 272 of the blue mitchell set left and 212 of the atlantic new orleans set.

perhaps this might be considered "rude," and if so, I apologize in advance. has anybody here been checking out this other board-freejazz.org. just came across it.

I got the capital studio recordings box from my mom and found (j R music) and bought for myself the ellington reprise set