bakeostrin

Agree with Steve on this one. E-bay rolled out the red carpet to shill bidding when it made all the bidding anonymous.

I can't vouch for the accuracy, but on p. 127 of Korst and Brand's "Shelly Manne the Sounds of a Different Drummer" appears the following: "One time the Men were ask to play Las Vegas, but when Shelly was told that the hotel would require Kamuca to go through the kitchen entrance, Richie being of Mexican descent, Shelly was shocked and refused the contract." I had just read the book and this passage came to mind when I saw the query. The book does not cite references for specific chapters.

True, but with exceptions. Every once in a while you can find one at a good price, particularly if you will trade off condition (although it would be tough to find online for say, $5-10). There are German, Swiss, French, Dutch and British editions of this book. Dutch edition features Billie Holiday on the dust jacket; German, Swiss and French feature Armstrong (only the German edition has a dustjacket; others are illustrated boards). Add Jean Pierre Leloir, Burt Goldblatt and Lee Friedlander to that list (there are others of course); Stock is one of the best. Also nice to see you Jim; I remember buying jazz cd's from the UC Irvine bookstore through you. You had great taste in ordering jazz cd's. Arthur is a very giving man. He is very generous with his knowledge of jazz books. For a while he knew them all.

Thanks; the last couple lines are compelling: On the day before he died, he was in a San Diego recording studio as a musician for hire. “He knew it was his last shot,” his wife said. “The doctors told him if he went he would die. And he went.”

To update my experience, I was successful in my complaint against the seller. However, Paypal required that I obtain a letter from a third party on letterhead establishing that the item was a counterfeit (I was able to supply one from an archivist) despite the fact that the seller admitted selling a cd-r. If an issue is not in dispute, no reason exists to provide proof of the point. Other than that significant point, the outcome pleased me. Also, Paypal required that I destroy the CD and send an affidavit, under penalty of perjury, that I had done so. After I received a refund, the seller e-mailed me asking me to return the CD (at my expense, I suppose). Unfortunately, it is no longer available, but he can just burn some more. Regards, Baker

I wonder if anyone will bite at that price. I'll take the under on that one, but we'll see. Baker

Consider the Mosaic Box ... Agreed. I collected Mobley CD's piece by piece, buying the Japanese TOCJ's when they came out or hunting for the domestic re-issues when applicable. I would be reluctant to pay 1/4 of the asking price (sorry to step on the auction) because a significant probability exists that the CD will be reissued domestically or pop up in another Japanese reissue. I've seen it happen many, many times over the years with Blue Notes. If "African High Life" (the Ilori disc) can appear as a domestic reissue, so can this Mobley, possibly paired up with "Curtain Call." Regards, Baker

I'm reasonably sure the number 9 is the highest they will show. They probably have a bunch more.

Thanks for the tip; although the site still lists 9 available so I'll cross my fingers as to whether the set materializes. I dig Pepper, but never have been a big box set collector. It took several years for me to find all the individual cd's from the Hollywood All Stars sessions, but I just completed it recently with the Pete Jolly and Bill Watrous dates. I can't pass this one up. Regards and thanks, Baker

Does anyone have a list of the various CD reissues? Particularly, I am interested in what has been reissued in Japan only, although I am also curious about the French reissues and the Prevue series (to the extent anything else appears other than what has already been posted on this thread). I had asked in the Warne Marsh thread whether the Hampton Hawes Memorial album appears on CD (other than the "Jazz Factory" reissue). Likewise, the "Wardell Gray Live" By the way, and someone on this board may have mentioned this someplace, but for those who want the "Inimitable" Teddy Edwards on Xanadu, it appears on the Duke Jordan/Cecil Payne CD reissued on the Prevue label. Thanks, Baker

Hi, I was lucky enough to get this CD recently on e-bay. Regarding the Hampton Hawes Memorial Album (since it was brought up in this thread), has it ever been reissued on a Japanese CD? I am aware of the Jazz Factory reissue, but unlike the Sonny Clark and Sonny Criss Memorials, I do not believe the Hawes was reissued in Japan--anyone know for sure? I know there is a Xanadu reissues thread somewhere, but I will ask this one here (for convenience); is there a list of the Xanadu titles that were reissued on CD? I have a full list of the titles, but there is no breakdown. Some were Japanese Crown reissues in the late 80's; some Japanese reissues (mid 90's?) in mini-lp; also some French reissues (not considered legitimate by Mr. Schlitten). Any help would be appreciated. If the topic is more appropriate to the Xanadu reissues or discography thread, by all means redirect it (and me) Thanks, Baker

I wanted to update board members on what is happening with my transaction, as it may help others in dealing with e-bay/paypal. The seller sent me an e-mail via e-bay's messenger system acknowledging that he sold me a cd-r. Nonetheless, I received an e-mail from paypal requesting that I provide documentation from a third party, on letterhead such party's letterhead, attesting that the item was a copy and fax the letter to paypal within ten days (otherwise I would forfeit my claim). That is a bit of trouble for a small item and would often prove unworth the time and effort. I spoke with a very polite person at paypal and asked why the seller's e-mail would not suffice [e-mails can be forged]; further my statements would not suffice as I could misrepresent the item's character; I asked why couldn't I just e-mail paypal a scan of the questioned item [no, one could send a scan of a different item]. Finally, I wondered if I could send a scan of a different item, why would paypal accept a letter from a third party on letterhead, since one could present a spurious item to the third party [people would not go through that trouble]. Thus, it appears the system favors the seller in a dispute of this type (although I had never encountered such actions before on e-bay, so hopefully, it is relatively rare). I was able to get an archivist to examine the cd and I forwarded his report to e-bay. I will see what happens and post the results.

Congratulations; thank you for posting.

I appreciate your response. I strive to achieve fairness in all my dealings and wondered what a response supporting the seller would be (I had hard time thinking of one myself). However, I do not understand what you mean by "the triumph of the idea over the physical." I understand it to mean that you sanction the seller's behavior. The seller's behavior is unethical even if one ignores the applicability of copyright laws. Let's suppose this seller had the copyright on this music. Would it have been acceptable for him to send me a professionally made cassette rather than a CD? How about a homemade cassette? What if the seller knows a perfect Ken Colyer impersonator and the seller sends me a link enabling me to download the impersonator playing the entire album note for note? How far in your personal ethics (copyright laws aside) is it acceptable for someone to misrepresent a product? When something is a cheap knock off, it is not worth as much as an original well made item. When you are buying a cd you are buying both the medium and the music. I do not know how long this cd-r will last or whether the sound is equivalent to a CD (it may be, as I have seen in other discussions). I can see the graphics for the insert are cheaper. Whether I wanted those features and what I was willing to pay for them reflects my personal preferences. The decision also depends upon the seller's providing me with accurate information (rather than intentionally misleading me)? Consider the following. You need some replacement brake shoes for your car. You go to the dealer and make the request for manufacturer's parts. Only the mechanic puts in some after market brake shoes (which are much cheaper, but the dealer keeps the difference). These parts are made of lesser quality materials and apt to fail quicker. Now, how would you feel if you had those parts in your car? If you want to run the risk of having those parts in your car to save some money, that may be a choice for you to make. But you need information to make the choice. But he is violating US copyright law, by offering the item on a marketplace which largely aims at US buyers. The fact that his adress is in Europe (where the copyright has expired) does not give him the right to ignore the laws of the country where he is offering his product. For the same reason, a US seller could not offer Nazi memorablia on Ebay Germany, although this is does not violate the law of his country of residence. That is an interesting point which further detracts from the transaction's legitimacy. Bull. the music is a "listener's item"; a "collector's item" is a collectable, which sure as hell isn't a CD-R. Yes. I am much too longwinded to put it that way.

Thanks Steve, but my experience with overseas sellers has almost been uniformly positive. I collect rare jazz and blues books; I received countless numerous rare German ("Omniverse Sun Ra"; "Foto Jazz"; "Jazzlife"; "Jazzwelt"; "Pete Johnson Story"; the Herbert Joos books) and American ("Jazz West Coast") books just from German sellers (book dealers and e-bay). Not as many cd's, just because what I am looking for primarily are Japanese reissues, but the cd I bought from e-bay seller Classical Fidelity came from Germany. I got a prompt refund from the seller for an item that never arrived. The item did arrive five months later (properly addressed and shipped airmail at the time the seller had represented; I repaid the seller). It's about a two hundred to one ratio for me in terms of satisfactory purchases. There is not much one can do about one small transaction, except to notify others about this seller. I'll see what happens with my dispute. Baker

Seller's user ID: gunnarhaupt Seller sells out of Germany; item ID: 110335643078 Serves me right for branching out into Ken Colyer; note the description says that the cd is in "new condition"

Bid up to 20 Euros plus shipping. I escalated the matter to a claim after receiving the following response from the seller (included in my e-mail; seller's name omitted): [start of claim] I had requested a refund from the seller, as is detailed in the messages section. The seller responded as follows: "Hello Baker, I'm contacting you again because paypal has proposed to do it. As said before the CD is not a CD-R because there is no original in the market. It was carefully made from the rare orignal LP. You can learn it from the white record promo sticker on the CD. I didn't describe anything wrong in my auction !!! By the way, there are very many CDs in the US market made from records . I thought you would be happy to get this rare item because there is no other chance to get it. I have sold some CDs like this and never got a complaint. See my 100% positive feedbacks !!! I'm sorry that I can't accept your complaint. Best regards ---- " The item is a CD-r and so states. It was made from a record. Seller did not disclose the fact the item is a cd-r rather than a cd in the item description. It is a violation of US copyright laws to duplicate such material. Further, I believe it violates e-bay's user argreement to sell cd-r's. Additionally, the seller marketed the item as a "rare collector's item" when in fact no limit exists as to how many of these can be made (essentially on demand). I have never seen a seller on e-bay market a CD-r as a CD. If the seller wishes to market cd-r's as CD's, seller should so state rather than stating that the item is a CD. This item is home made "knock off" marketed as a collector's item. The seller omitted in his description that the item was a cd-r. Indeed, the description of "CD" leads one to conclude that the item is just that. This omission is what the seller did "wrong" in his description. [end of claim] Thanks for the thoughtful input. If someone has a quick link to the e-bay policy regarding cd-r's and to complain to e-bay directly, I would appreciate it. If anyone has any suggestions as to anything else to add to the claim, I likewise welcome that. I would think that the copyright law permits a European sale of this material. Regards and thanks, Baker

Thank you for the input. One thing I would add, I believe that he would have the right to sell the material as a CD-R, as the seller is in Europe and I believe the material to be over 50 years old. I point this out not to say that the practice is acceptable, just that I believe it is not illegal in the country of origin. I will hold off on posting the seller's name until I get more of resolution on the matter in order to be fair to the seller. I may be misperceiving something. Additionally, if I am not putting this together quite properly, I would want to avoid unnecessarilly injuring injuring a seller's reputation. I am aware of the principles of caveat emptor. As a jazz book collector, I frequently encounter items listed by people who are not professionals and have ask some questions to clarify condition, edition, etc., because "nice book" is usually not specific enough. With cd's really other than flaws there is not that much to describe. I have seen some sellers warrant that they do not sell promos, cd-r's etc., but in this matter I thought the description was sufficiently specific to rely on it (of course I may be wrong). To give another example, I once purchased on e-bay a copy of a very rare book, the original 1939 Swing Photo Album by Timme Rosenkrant (the first jazz photo book). When I opened the book, it had a price slip on the outside which read "$--- back cover missing" Of course the description did not include the fact that the back cover was missing. The seller, Jerry Ohringer's Movie Posters was experienced in dealing with paper collectibles and indeed was aware of this obvious flaw. The seller took back the item, but as many of you know, it can be a pain in the neck to repack something and take it down to the post office and ship it back. I told the seller I would not pay $15 for that item in that condition. I see this transaction in that same light. The seller is experienced. Of course, there are those who may argue that I am an experienced buyer. It just depends on the item. If I see 78 album "The Jazz Scene" and the seller has not listed the number of photographs, I ask for a count, especially because that album was loose leaf and one can remove the photos. Recently, someone advertised "The Astaire Story" the 4 LP set; but made no mention of the David Stone Martin prints or water colors. I e-mailed the seller on that one and he responded that those items were not in the set. I think the seller almost certainly had no idea that those items were in the set. But with the CD, I am talking about a much more simple matter (and perhaps beating it to death too much for everyone's tastes). I welcome any other suggestions. Regards and thanks, Baker

Hi, PM sent for "Party" by Zoot Sims; Seldon Powell Plays and the Annie Ross/Pony Poindexter, if they are available. Regards and thanks, Baker

I recently won a CD on e-bay that was listed as a "rare collector's item" Upon receipt of the item, I noted that it was a cd-r I did not inquire during the auction as to whether or not the CD was a cd-r (I never had made such an inquiry on e-bay). I e-mailed the seller and requested a refund. The seller responded that the CD was not a cd-r because "there never was a cd." The cd was made from a record. Further, the seller told me "how else would I get the music?" I sent a reply e-mail regarding my refund request, as the seller had not answered it in his first response. The seller has not replied to my second request. I then opened a paypal dispute. I note that this seller has over four thousand transactions without a negative deal--a very impressive feat. I think that my actions have been reasonable, but I have never sold anything on e-bay, only bought. So, I wonder what board members think of this transaction or how I should proceed. I would also add that I have never left negative feedback for a seller on e-bay. The few rough transactions in the system I have been able to work out. But, if anyone has any thoughts of a contructive nature, I would appreciate it. Also, the amount involved is not large (approximately $30) so it is not that big a deal. I am somewhat surprised at the seller's reaction to my request. It is funny, there are strange things that happen on e-bay. Appropos of a recent thread regarding the Jazz Loft, I had won a CD (Ralph Sharon Trio on Bethlehem) from Germany and the seller shipped it to me airmail on August 18, 2008. When I did not receive it after a month, the seller (Tom at Classical Fidelity) promptly refunded my costs plus shipping, with the comment that he never had seen an airmail item lost. On January 18, 2009, the CD arrived. The address was correct and clearly written, the package was undamaged and the package was indeed sent by airmail on August 18, 2008. I then sent payment again; in the interim, I had acquired another copy of the CD and bought and received a different CD from the same seller. So you never know. But I do contrast Tom's courtesy with the behavior of this other seller. Regards, Baker

Chas, I would say that "Jazz Grafico" is a worthwhile book. When it came out, I bought it directly from the museum (it was issued as part of a Spanish museum's album cover exhibit) and I think that it will become a collectible title (maybe not to the extent of the Studio Museum's catalog for its Decarava exhibit in the 80's, "The Sound I Saw). "Jazz Grafico" does cover some of the same ground as other books. It has a David Stone Martin section; a small Pierre Merlin section; a Paul Bacon section and a Blue Note section (among others). The two Daver books cover this field in more detail (although "Jazz Album Covers" only details 10" covers). There is a section on Atlantic Records. Since many of the covers are Lee Friedlander photos, you would be better off purchasing "American Musicians" which contains copies of the photographs used as the basis for some of those jackets. Also, there are the books on Blue Note covers, California Cool and the east coast covers. I like that "Jazz Grafico" has a Burt Goldblatt section (and detailed interview w/Goldblatt). Likewise, it has the same for Jim Flora (although his covers are not my cup of tea). The accompanying essays are a good read also, but you don't buy an illustrated book for the essays. I see the online prices are a bit high on this one. I do not think that this title has yet reached the category of a $100 book (at half that price, maybe; at $35, certainly). But the book was issued only in Spain and not by a major publisher so at some point it will become hard to find. On the downside of formatting, it is softcover (I prefer hard cover, with a dustjacket, more durable, easier to handle, which is important for illustrated books as they do get handled repeatedly). Also, it is oblong. There are no pages of full cover album shots which are the same size as the original jackets. Then again, there are no such shots in either of Daver's book. As to other books of album covers, small labels and 78's, for the 78's I think there are books of Stirnweiss and Flora covers (which I do not have). I have not obtained the Taschen book either. But consider that in "Jazz Album Covers," Manek Daver spoke of doing more books covering smaller labels. Daver's books contained covers from labels I did not know existed, such as Southland, Grand Award, etc. Maybe another collector will come out with something to rival Daver's efforts. I would not jump on "Jazz Grafico" at the price offered, but it should pop up on e-bay or some search engine at a more reasonable price. Regards, Baker

As a collector of rare jazz and blues books, if you did not have a copy, it is definitely worth the opening bid price (keeping in mind the exchange rate for pounds into dollars currently--pound being almost on a par with the euro). I would not put this book on the same level as Daver's books ("Jazz Graphics David Stone Martin" being the other). The Daver book ("Jazz Album Covers") is scarcer; is hardcover with a jacket and contains interviews with several of the principal artists featured therein. I think that "Jazz West Coast" published by the same company as "Jazzical Moods" is preferable. It focuses on a specific artist (Claxton, with his commentary) and style. Since that artist and style are personal favorites of mine, I may lean towards this book a bit more. "Jazzical Moods" does appear to be scarcer than "Jazz West Coast" (not to be confused w/Claxton's original 1955 book). "Jazzical Moods" just seems a bit more pedestrian, if that is appropriate. It is a nice book. But, for example, if you did not have "Jazz Graphics" you are better off buying the scarcer, better (and higher priced) book when you see it at a good price. "Jazzical Moods" is not a once in a lifetime book; other copies will pop up. Someone may also bid at the opening price and you might want to slip in a higher bid. If you absolutely felt you had to have it, I do not think $75 is outrageous. I hope this helps a bit. Regards, Baker

I am glad to see reissues still appearing. I think it maintains some chance (however small) that EMI will reissue some music onto CD that has not appeared before. It was unusual to see Verve issue Maynard Ferguson Octet on Emarcy because that was something that I believe had never been issued on CD before in Japan or the US. I agree with the sentiments regarding seeing Mosaic issue something diminishing the chances of seeing it pop up as an individual CD, but I suppose that Mosaics help maintain some interest in collector's issuanace of CD's which may result in someone reissuing something in the individual format which I collect (to each his own; I have never been interested in box sets, especially for the reasons some other posters cite regarding the lack of art work). Consequently, seeing individual cd's pop up after a Mosaic reissue does not bother me. But I find the opposite holds more water; once Mosaic has issued a box set, there is very little chance that the individual cd's will be reissued in the US. EMI has so much more than just Blue Note; particularly for me, I want to see more Pacific Jazz albums come out along with Roulette. So, to see the Sonny Stitt Mosaic come out told me, no individual domestic Stitt CD's on Roulette for quite some time (maybe ever). Blue Note is such a popular label that it seems to me that nearly all the CD's get reissued constantly. As a Mobley and Morgan fan, I filled in Blue Note collection with the Japanese 4000 Series "The Works" from Toshiba; then followed the 4100 Series and the 1500 series. I am glad to see that some of those Lee Morgan's from the 1500 series that had long been unavailable in the US (or OOP, such as v. 3) so that the next generation of fan/collector can enjoy them. But, as I believe Hans and others have said, I do not chase the latest remastered version. It also tells me never pay any type of collector's price for a Blue Note CD (exception for the first US pressings with bonus cuts) because due to popularity they constantly reappear. So, it is good that "Rollin with Leo" is back in print. I picked up the first Japanese issued TOCJ (as I did with the Parlans) and stumbled upon the US edition also (I think it has bonus cuts). I hope people enjoy the reissue. I would like to see more reissues come out of previously unissued Pacific Jazz and Roulette. If it has to come from Japan, fine. Was it last year there was a series of 8-10 Pacific Jazz reissues, some of which had never been out before (and reasonably priced)? I would like to see some more of that. Meantime, dig in to some great music if you don't have it. Baker

I agree regarding the possibility Japanese mini-lp not being legitimate; but how would you know? I remember going to Rhino Records once and finding several Japanese issued Horace Parlan CD's, which I yanked out of the used bin. Then I looked at them closely and it appeared that the inlay cards were color photocopies. Obviously done well enough to attract my attention while flipping through stacks of CD's, but also so obvious as not to pass a careful inspection (note, when I was back next week, the Parlans had been sold). This Melle set, on the other hand, looks extremely well done. Again, I appreciate the input. And to John Felser, whom I remember from the old Jazz Trading Post, do the Russian CD's have the imprints on the "dead areas"? Regards and thanks, Baker