patricia

I would never put the term "stupid" in the same thought with you. I don't have any idea what you're talking about. If I have done anything to cause you anxiety, please tell me. Whatever it is, I will stop doing it. I wish to cause you no unpleasantness. Should I go back to condensed "nicknamed" biographies?? Try the tea thing, as Conn suggested. Try the deep-breathing thing, which I have suggested in the past. [Lie on the floor, close your eyes, feet toward a window and breathe slowly. Imagine the centre of a beautiful white orchid, viewed close. Ten or fifteen minutes oughta do it.] Please advise, because I really dig this group.

Arsenio was never that hip. B) Speaking of Arsenio, is he still around?? You're right. He was pretty mainstream, I thought. Not that there's anything wrong with that...... To the mine.................

My, aren't we "hip"?? But, of course hip is timeless.

Hey Harold!! Almost exactly the definition my daughter gave me. Variation to your example, "Da Bomb". She did, however tell me not to use any of them in conversation. As if I had to be told. I thought she was going to choke on her juice, the morning after some awards show in which rap groups were given awards. I asked her what they were saying and what the gestures [me demonstrating my version] meant. She begged me not to ever do that again, especially if her friends were watching. Conn, My objection to the later modified post you mentioned came from a rather disturbing personal expecience. No, I've never been raped, but I have been terrified, through my own stupidity. I was in highschool and was dating a big-deal basketball player. There was a hill, overlooking the city, where the kids went to park. We were there and, suddenly, this person I trusted, lunged at me and grasped me around the neck and choked me, for no apparant reason. I was helpless and thought I was going to die. I was never so afraid in my life. I'm not a very big person and I was totally helpless. I was never alone with him again, in fact never talked to him again. I didn't tell anyone, because, quite frankly, I felt stupid for putting myself in that situation. My father had always told me to trust no one, until they proved they could be trusted and I blamed myself. I didn't tell him because I thought he would be angry at me. Looking back, I suspect that Dad's first reaction would have been to go directly to this kid's house, carrying his hunting rifle with him. Dad was always very protective of his only daughter. As it was, he never knew. In any case, this story has an ironic twist, much like the one recounted earlier, to which you refer. That kid grew up to be a respected member of the community, and served as an alderman for several years. I always think that I'm the only one who knows who he really is, though I suspect that I'm not. So, gang-rape is not an amusing, unique way to let somebody know that they are superfluous to your happiness. It's the ultimate expression of contempt for not just the woman involved, but all women. Group sex, while not my thing, is a choice. That was the point I think I made.

Thanks. I have a teenager too and she says much the same thing, though she does have a better command of plain English than many of her friends do. If there's one thing for which I'm grateful to my mother, it was her sparse use of slang. For one thing, it dates you. Mother objected to common base vernaculars as well, not because they shocked her, but because she maintained that they betrayed a lack of imagination. Far better to think about what you actually want to say and pinpoint that with language. The advantage is that you never have to wonder if your language will be acceptable, no matter where you are. I like that.

Word. Catesta, I've seen people post "Word" by itself and am puzzled by it's meaning. Shorthand for......???

I'll repeat BFrank's question, "Locked grooves? What are they??

Patty, That's all well and good and though it may be true that it's none of my "damn business" be advised that I refuse to fuck you until you tell me when the last time it was that you had an orgasm with a PARTNER!! Until such time that you reveal that information it will just have to be you and your vibrator. Sorry, but that is playin' the game by MY rules and that's the only way we're gonna play...DIG?? DEEP I am not in the least bit interested in either posting a naked picture of myself on Organissimo or anywhere else. As for your other question, as I say, NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. I'm nothing if not discreet and you know me better than to even ask. As to your statement that you might "choose" me, don't hold your breath, not that I'm not just flattered and complimented and just damn tickled pick that you would even consider it. Who wouldn't be?? Thank you, but pass.

Still no answer to the Orgasm question. I had a chickie once who was incapable of climaxing. NEVER AGAIN!! (No matter how good looking they are...that's asking for some big time trouble) DEEP No I didn't answer your question, but there are only two reasons for the incapability you mentioned. One is a clumsy, ignorant lover and the other is a physical dysfuntional woman. The first reason is far more likely that the second. So, to answer your question, everything is in working order. As for the other part of the question, NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS.

My capsule bio reads like this: Parents who adored each other, raised four kids together and divorced, because of my beloved [no sarcasm intended] dad's alcoholism. They are both dead now, but saw each other daily, even after the divorce. Educated in private Catholic schools, moving on to a degree in English Lit. and a minor in art, sold switchboards for the telephone co. for 22 years finally working as a still life photographer for various dept. stores and manufacturers. Married at 23, raised two daughters, one, now married with a little boy, with a degree in Mechanical Engineering and the other entering the local U. this fall, intending to study Library Science. Currently single, and doing OK, though not rich or even moderately well-off, still friends with my ex. The latest move cut the legs off my contacts, but I do occasional free-lance photography, and have THREE day jobs and did not ask for any help at all from my ex nor did I expect any. Going to one of my jobs now.................. Maybe I'll make out OK, maybe not.

The Groper, Well excuuuuuse me...but please be advised that the relaying of my sexual exploits (the Indians in the hills sing a folk song about them) are not meant for dissertation at the Thursday night PTA meeting. If you're offended..JUMP THREAD!! Patty, Don't take this personal but..I'm sure many here would be interested in how you find any spare time (what with constant posting at this and other sites) for the pursuit of sexual activity. In short: WHEN THE FUCK WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD AN ORGASM *WITH A PARTNER*?? (Inquiring minds....) DEEP Answer to your question, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And, GROPER, You don't know me, so don't say "women like you" and generalize. There's a reason that four of your five marriages didn't work out and it sure as hell isn't because you understand women, or me. I don't want to "feminize" anyone. On the other hand, I'm clearly a poor judge of character and am foolish enough to think that men and women can be friends.

I don't want to "be" a man. I was simply objecting to a rape being presented as a joke.

What consenting adults want to do is up to them. The consenting part was left out. You presented your story as a totally different scenario than it was. You presented it as a date rape. It wasn't rape if she said, "OK, what the hell". I worked as a volunteer at a rape crisis center for a few years and saw too many examples of variations of what you described in your first story. I also went to court with the victims and saw their attackers walk free, using the defence that there was consent, when there wasn't. So you understand why I was somewhat less than amused, in fact repelled at the cleverness of your surprise. Gang rape isn't funny.

When you add the consentual part and I add the part about the marriage being doomed from the start, it's not nearly so hot, is it? I don't consider sex to be ugly or dirty. Your story was incomplete. Group sex is a choice. Rape is an assault and not funny. That's all I'm saying.

Sorry Patty, but this post of yours displays an ignorance as to how the military works. Soldiers are not free to do as you have just described. I only basing my comment on an interview with a soldier who recounted that experience as the one in which he was involved, which has put him on psychiatric discharge. If soldiers are allowed to indiscriminantly kill civilians then they will find themselves locked up in the brig awfully fast. We recognize that mistakes are made, but the military is disciplined; they are trained to be so. It's not a Wild West Show. If you want to see soldiers on the loose at a party, read DEEP's post! So the soldier was lying? I didn't say it was a civilian that the soldier killed. But the vomiting reflex was in response to the gleefully told story of humiliating and violating a woman who was nothing to your thread originator. What was described was not a party. It was a date rape, and a vicious and cowardly way of telling the woman she was an inconvenience. I guess just telling her wouldn't have been nearly as much fun. If that amuses all of you, then I've misjudged all of you. I thought you all were civilized people, but you're not.

Sorry Patty, but this post of yours displays an ignorance as to how the military works. Soldiers are not free to do as you have just described. I only basing my comment on an interview with a soldier who recounted that experience as the one in which he was involved, which has put him on psychiatric discharge.

Pardon me while I vomit.

Of course you're right. Imagine the sense of power that young soldier must have, pointing his M-16 at a young man, a few feet away from him and watching him be literally cut in half and all in the cause of world peace. Not even sex is more seductive than that, apparently.

It's already been done. Mr Bush is big on privatization, so I'm sure that he loves the catalogues of "Brides from the Orient".

Well, Conn, I'm outnumbered and outgunned. I do have a sense of humour, though my recent posts may not make that evident. All I can say is that God, if there is one, does have a sense of humour. Imagine putting the perfect women for western men way over in Asia and the perfect women for Asian men way over here. Now, that's funny. I'm beginning to think that men don't want women they can talk to. They don't want us to think or to have opinions. I also, more and more, think that one of the reasons that there continue to be so many men, anxious to go to war is not that they have any idealogical beliefs, or even a death wish, but that they just want to get laid in a foreign country.

There's no kitchen, or other room in the house too hot for me. I'm a gentle scrapper. However, I did post a rather lengthly comment and, on reviewing it realized that nobody here cares what I think. There is no other side to the glass. You all would be right at home with Mr Bush, who thinks that mocking a condemned woman, about to be executed was funny and that dead people, littering the ground in Iraq in the pursuit of the means to run your cars and heat your homes is a good idea, as long as it's not you. How dare the Iraqis fight back with guerilla tactics, when they are being invaded? War is a TV action film. people carrying clipboards, searching for non-existant WMD is not very interesting or exciting to watch from your comfortable LazyBoys. Bring on a war. Isn't it exciting to be the big dog in the junkyard?? Kindness is wussy. Let's build bigger guns and more terrible weapons and call them "defensive". Not one of the weapons in the American arsenal would have saved one life on Sept 11. Those who would protect us were watching, helpless, the same as you all were on Sept 11. Killing everyone in the Middle East will not bring one of the dead back to life and the hatred is still there, festering. But, none of you want to hear that. You want to hear that war is the ultimate means to show who has the most courage. How much courage does it take to send young men and women out to fight your battle for world dominance??? If war were the means to peaceful co-existance, we would have had peace centuries ago. What if the politicians and businessmen, so hungry for more power and more money, gave a war and nobody came to fight it for them??

PATTY, BTW: Nothing is more PRETENTIOUS than someone pointing out their humility (wearing it on their sleeve so to speak). For the deletion of your post containing said transgression...CLASP !!B] DEEP Humility?? What humility?? I forgot where I was. Even I didn't recognize me. I should follow your very wise lead and observe a DRY season. Of course I deleted the post.

DEEP's done that in a year's time by just heating his mansion! Nobody who lives in what is generally described by most regular people as a "mansion" actually describe their own house as a mansion. They think it makes them sound pretentious. There are some people who are convinced that had they not been born, everyone would have wondered why. But, they would do well to remember that everyone looks ridiculous, when they are flossing, or..........vomiting.

Haul out your atlas. Some wag remarked that the reason wars still exist is to encourage Americans to look at their atlases. If it's not too much trouble, you might also want to quickly skim the hundreds of volumes, dealing with other cultures, besides your own. Compared to the rest of the world, North America is a pre-pubescent child. I include Canada, the country for which many of you have such low regard in that company. We, as a culture, have managed to decimate much of the non-renewable resources available to us in the space of only one century. But, do we look for alternate, renewable ones and educate our children to continue that search?? Of course not. We'll all be dead before they run out, right?? I lived in CA for six years and had to have my daughter mail international newspapers, including her local one to me in order to stay abreast of world news. It seemed as though if it didn't happen in the U.S. it didn't matter. For an entire year, the Clinton/Monika Lewinsky gossip was front-page news. If one were to believe the papers, nothing else of importance was happening. Turned out that while everyone was distracted from world affairs by that non-event, bin Laden and his associates were plotting to attack the WTC and the Pentagon and did. And, to make it worse, they are not the only ones pissed off by the U.S. As you say, Americans have targets on their backs. They have targets on their backs, not because they love freedom, but because of this administration's ham-handed approach to diplomacy and absolute belief that the rest of the world apparently exists as an endless supplier of natural resources to make their lives more comfortable. Why negotiate for resources if you can just launch a war and take them? Then, add to that audacity, by sending the country on which you visited destruction and whose people you killed, the bill. Even better, do that and add to that bill any expenses incurred in the interim suggesting that they should be pooled by the very nations who were dismissed as "for Saddam Hussein, agin the West". The other nations didn't agree with the launching of this ongoing debacle. In fact they tried to persuade the U.S. to wait for the United Nations inspectors to finish their work. There was never any intention by the U.S. and Britain, not to invade Iraq. You "won" the war. Now what's the plan for winning the peace?? Is there one?? A Plan B, as it were, in case the liberated country didn't welcome you with flowers and parades and felt, well............ invaded and occupied?? God [not the evil God of the non-Christian global majority, but the Good Guy God of America] is on your side and He/She says to vanquish any resistance to Western style democracy by killing anyone who should disagree. [Oh, and lest I should be accused of personal cleverness in originating the "Good Guy God" designation, that honour belongs to Ken Finkleman, who wrote the enormously successful CANADIAN satire, "The News Room"].

Is that your answer to everything?? No wonder you are so angry. Bread and circusses only delay and distract. They don't resolve anything. As for my posting bios, I just thought it would provide a way to talk about some jazz artists in a unique, random way. Other posters and lurkers have told me that they found them interesting, even though long-time devotees of Jazz, like yourself may already be aware of the biographies I posted. I wasn't posting, verbatum, "The Encyclopedia of Jazz", but of course I was using available material as reference. The bios were a condensation of the material I have at hand. I mistakedly thought that we come to a jazz site to share. I had no idea that my contribution would offend you and invite your contempt. My apologies. And GROPER, walk aft, til your hat floats. Bush's mantra that "they hate freedom" is beginning to wear thin. THEY were invaded by an administration which will not rest until it has control of Iraq's resources [read OIL] and no humanitarian motive was involved. You don't save people by bombing their country from the air. You don't liberate people by killing them. Why are we surprised that the country would fight back when it is invaded? Would we not do the same thing??