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I THOUGHT it was '69. I saw the programme when it aired on the BBC and we were v disappointed that GG didn't have more of an airing. MG MG could you give some info in regards to what kind of situation this footage was first aired on. ie-was it as a musical interlude on say a UK chat or variety format where they crossed to the Ronnie scott club or something, or was it part of a music programme that featured more of the performers....I have always been wondering how this performance was originally presented....any info would be greatfully appreciated Also in the Grant biography by Sharony Andrews Green I think it mentions that some Grant performances may have been documented on African American community TV stations during the early seventies in different contexts, I definitely remember reading about musicians talking about this kind of thing somewhwere. It was a programme in the BBC's regular TV jazz series "Jazz 625" (625 referring to the number of lines on the screen). The material came from a guitar workshop from a Jazz festival called "Jazz Expo" or maybe "Jazz Expo '69", held in London. The programme was made up of some of the musicians at that festival. Very generous of the BBC to devote 40 or so minutes to showing bits of a week-long festival! As I recollect, the video posted here is all the GG that was shown. No memory survives of who else was on the programme or at the festival - I was only watching because of GG. MG Thanks Magnificent Goldberg...one more mystery solved....you definitely are Magnificent!!!!!

His daughter-in-law's bio says drugs, without specifying which. I just looked at my single of "Canteloupe woman" and it's a cut out. I don't think I've ever seen another jazz single that's a cut-out. I take that to imply that it didn't sell nearly as many as Verve expected it to. That leads to the conclusion that Verve had the willingness to try to push the single. So why didn't it make it? Can't tell, of course, but it could have been down to GG. MG From the Nov 63 recording of Idle Moments to the April 66 recording of Got a Good Thing Going a span of roughly two a bit years Grant Green left a legacy of sessions that could be considered unsurpassed in jazz guitar beauty, lyricism and intensity during such a short period of time. This includes the (at the time it was recorded) state of the art sessions with Tyner and Jones, all of the Green, Young and Jones recordings and the brilliant culmination of his recorded patnership with Big john Patton on Let Em Roll and GAGTG...this run of sessions pretty much ending with the recording we know as Iron City and the "two mysterious and apparently unheard sessions that may or may not still exist in the verve vaults". Is their the possibility someone can confirm whether anyone might be able to verify if these tapes still exist.??...

I THOUGHT it was '69. I saw the programme when it aired on the BBC and we were v disappointed that GG didn't have more of an airing. MG MG could you give some info in regards to what kind of situation this footage was first aired on. ie-was it as a musical interlude on say a UK chat or variety format where they crossed to the Ronnie scott club or something, or was it part of a music programme that featured more of the performers....I have always been wondering how this performance was originally presented....any info would be greatfully appreciated Also in the Grant biography by Sharony Andrews Green I think it mentions that some Grant performances may have been documented on African American community TV stations during the early seventies in different contexts, I definitely remember reading about musicians talking about this kind of thing somewhwere.

You know, normally I'd agree with you, but I have to give props to the man who put the 'boob' in 'boob tube'. And for hiring Cheryl Ladd. Damn, I'm at work right now and time doesn't permit me to explain why I agree so much with JSngry.....

They weren't mediochre boogaloo albums; they were MFin' GREAT boogaloo albums. And YES ! I'm damn sure it's going to be in that vein. Looking forward to it greatly, thanks. MG Live at the Lighthouse is unsurpassed for intensity. The atmosphere captured on that recording is unbelievable IMHO.....and I love all Grant's music. matter of fact I think my favourite Grant Green period is the one from about 1959-1979. Thanks for the link. Looks like they've managed to represent all the tracks except the one called Glenda. I'm sure this session will have it's own unique vibe just like Alive and Lighthouse are both different. I think the presence of Houston Person on this will make it even more so. Also no Claude Bartee. No rub intended against Grant. I just think much of his commerical / boogaloo output during this period 1969-1979 was below his abilities. The presence of Houston Person on this Mozambique date looks promising--as he is an amazing soul-jazz saxophonist. But I suspect this is more of the same "Alive" type material. But being a big Green fan, I will probably pick this up for a listen. Any new Green on CD is cause for celebration. But I prefer his blues/soul jazz and straight ahead period 1959-1966. I wish they would also release more of the rejected vault material from that period, as all of his early Blue Note Lps have been reissued. Having found out about the other two Verve sessions only very recently via jazzdisco I guess they would be the ones I would perhaps want to hear above all others. To find out from posts here that it appears they no longer exist is a real 'soul jazz' heartbreaker. So I guess I'll saviour Club Mozambique even more because of that. Anyway it'll be great to be able to read here how people respond to their first hearings of this historic session.

They weren't mediochre boogaloo albums; they were MFin' GREAT boogaloo albums. And YES ! I'm damn sure it's going to be in that vein. Looking forward to it greatly, thanks. MG Live at the Lighthouse is unsurpassed for intensity. The atmosphere captured on that recording is unbelievable IMHO.....and I love all Grant's music. matter of fact I think my favourite Grant Green period is the one from about 1959-1979. Thanks for the link. Looks like they've managed to represent all the tracks except the one called Glenda. I'm sure this session will have it's own unique vibe just like Alive and Lighthouse are both different. I think the presence of Houston Person on this will make it even more so. Also no Claude Bartee.

Deep!!!! It must be better than it sounds.

Thank You Bob Belden!!!!!!!! I am sure it will sound great...I would listen to this session under water if I had to.

Wow...at long last love

Thanks for all this info people. It does sound plausible that Dearly Beloved could be from this performance. I do have a cassette of some of the tunes and do remember that on Crazy Legs or Easy Walker that Grant really stretches out. I haven't heard Lester Leaps In though but at that length it sounds like it would be worth hearing. It begs the question though how would Bob Beldon have got to hear the session tapes for this recording if it is an Eastbound date and not a Blue Note one. Something that I have is a copy of a great live blues by Grant that has Billy Taylor on piano and is sourced from an Italian jazz guitar comp that may not be an official realease. I do know that there is two more trio tracks from the same performance without piano. does anyone else know anything about this session? Sorry guys may have sent out a false alarm. I knew the Italian vinyl listed two tracks without piano so thought these must be additional to the track that I already have, but from this post it looks like the presence of piano means they'll be the slow shuffle non-boogaloo version of Cantaloupe Island that I've already got, which has piano, plus another one that going by the previous post sounds really intriguing. Oh well, one more live Grant tune is better than nothing. The Newport theory sounds good. Maybe they had a jazz guitar showcase that year or something...guess which player burned the stage up IMHO..with Kenny Burrell coming a close second. I think this definitely sounds like Grant's bursting and intense tone circa 65-66 to me. which makes me hope that those unreleaesed Verve session may still exist in the vaults somewhere. BTW does the presence of the tune Fat Judy suggest that maybe one of these sessions has Big John Patton on it?

Thanks for all this info people. It does sound plausible that Dearly Beloved could be from this performance. I do have a cassette of some of the tunes and do remember that on Crazy Legs or Easy Walker that Grant really stretches out. I haven't heard Lester Leaps In though but at that length it sounds like it would be worth hearing. It begs the question though how would Bob Beldon have got to hear the session tapes for this recording if it is an Eastbound date and not a Blue Note one. Something that I have is a copy of a great live blues by Grant that has Billy Taylor on piano and is sourced from an Italian jazz guitar comp that may not be an official realease. I do know that there is two more trio tracks from the same performance without piano. does anyone else know anything about this session?

The info is in the discography you yourself posted earlier in the thread. http://www.jazzdisco.org/green/dis/c/ To my knowledge one tune has been issued on CD. It wasn't on the original LP but was put out on a comp. "Crazy legs" is also on the compilation "Together", as well as another previously unissued track (New blowtop blues", featuring Etta Jones, on which GG probably doesn't play. I doubt if you'll get sound samples anywhere - "Lester leaps in" is 15 minutes long and "Crazy legs" runs 6:44 and the CD was issued in UK in 1993; a long time before people thought of putting samples on the web. thanks for all the info people. It does sound plausible that the tune Bob Beldon mentions (Dearly Beloved) is from this performance. I do have a cassette tape of some tunes from this session and do remember that on crazy legs or easy walker (can't remember which) that Grant really stretches out. I haven't been able to find Lester Leaps In but it sounds like it must be worth hearing especially at that length. This begs the question though...how would Bob Beldon have got to hear the session tapes if it was an Eastbound vault tape and not Blue Note. One thing that I do have that is fantastic is a live blues sourced from an Italian guitar comp that is buuuurning hot playing by Grant with Billy Taylor on piano. I am aware there are two trio cuts avaliable from that source as well. Dont know if it is an official release as I know that there were some loopholes in Italian copyright laws at some point. Does anyone else know of this recording? MG

Also Wadud's work with Arthur Blythe: LENOX AVENUE BREAKDOWN and ILLUSIONS. Yeh what a great band....also the same band with Wadud recorded the also excellent Elaborations with Kelvyn Bell on guitar instead of Blood Ulmer

1986 Hi I am new to the board, just wanting to see if someone might be able to provide some info...In the liner notes to Live at the Lighthouse, Bob Belden mentions a session with Houston Person that does not appear in any Grant discographies...if this session is all that BB says it is then it must be a very special and important recording.. especially in light of when it was made...does anyone have any knowledge of this By the way thanks for all the wonderful things I've been able to read here on Grant, John Patton and George Braith etc al... On pages 245 and 246 of the 1986 Ruppli BN discography, there's a listing of a few sets (some 33 songs) recorded at the Club Mozambique in Detroit on Jan. 6 & 7, 1971. Clarence Thomas (ts,ss), Houston Person (ts), Ronnie Foster (org), Green, and Idris Muhammad (d). All tracks are listed as "rejected". I don't own the Lighthouse recording and am not that keen on this era of GG's career, so I don't know if any of this material has since been released. I suspect at least some of it has... I'm getting a deja vu as if we've been over this before... No guys the session Beldon seems to be talking about sounds seperate to these live recordings. He gives the information that it was recorded for Eastbound or Westbound and seems to be suggesting that it was a session of standards or chord changes material.. which would make it very special. He mentions the tune Dearly Beloved which does not appear in the discographies of these other sessions and would not be in context with the setlists from these performances I think. I can't wait to hear the Mozambique sets but would love to know more about this other session

1986 Hi I am new to the board, just wanting to see if someone might be able to provide some info...In the liner notes to Live at the Lighthouse, Bob Belden mentions a session with Houston Person that does not appear in any Grant discographies...if this session is all that BB says it is then it must be a very special and important recording.. especially in light of when it was made...does anyone have any knowledge of this By the way thanks for all the wonderful things I've been able to read here on Grant, John Patton and George Braith etc al...

1986 Hi I am new to the board, just wanting to see if someone might be able to provide some info...In the liner notes to Live at the Lighthouse, Bob Belden mentions a session with Houston Person that does not appear in any Grant discographies...if this session is all that BB says it is then it must be a very special and important recording.. especially in light of when it was made...does anyone have any knowledge of this By the way thanks for all the wonderful things I've been able to read here on Grant, John Patton and George Braith etc al...