Niko

regarding that last anecdote, how did Pauer say "your own shit" in German/Austrian? regarding Bebop piano players, there is also Sacha Perry...in places, his album with Aaron Johnson from last year is so purely Bebop it's almost comical https://aaronjohnsonjazz.bandcamp.com/album/nightmare

I would guess that forgettable means something like "if you could pick something to forget, this might be it", so indeed, the opposite of memorable - even though most things are neither memorable nor forgettable but fairly neutral... Moreover, we forget many memorable things and remember many forgettable ones... I guess that Steve's forgetting about his ownership of the record was a case of forgetting about a record that is neither memorable nor forgettable... [and, of course, a record may well be memorable even though the fact that one owns it is not memorable, especially for records one sees all the time in the bins...] regarding Morris, I recently bought a record by Thomas Morris and his Seven Hot Babies and was surprised to learn that not only was Thomas the uncle of Marlowe but somehow they both managed to record quite a bit while carrying a somewhat dubious reputation (quoting from the link: "probably because of lack of technical facilities owing to a non-existent formal instrumental education and training, his musical life occurred in a relative background of theatre shows, blues accompaniment and small gutbucket combo engagements. His was never a top name in Harlem and it is not astounding that he ceased his musical activities in the late twenties").

I guess stompin' uses a fairly technical definition of forgettable as the opposite of unforgettable... it boils down to the question whether "a forgettable album" and "an album I had forgotten about" are (almost) synonyms or not... I would say not at all, but then again I'm not a native speaker... btw, I had actually been curious about that album due to the contribution of Bobby Henderson whom I've liked a lot in other contexts... does one get to hear much of him?

Well, my brother and me wear fairly different beards and by now my hair is quite a bit whiter than his... But if you show someone a 20 year old black and white picture of him and ask whether this is Niko or Philly Joe Jones, most people will mistake him for me.... I am so curious what the liner notes will say...

I just reread the chapter about Denis Charles in Amiri Baraka's Black Music, a 1963 article published only later in that book. In there, Charles says that he didn't own a drum set until Buell Neidlinger bought him one in 1957 and that until then he'd been practicing on Frank's set... so Frank/Huss did own a trap set and was evidently talented enough a percussionist to record with Ed Blackwell, Sonny Rollins and Archie Shepp - even though always as his brother's sidekick/keeper/who knows and never on a drum set... still, in that combination, I'd say it's completely possible that he might have played a few local gigs with Kenny Dorham... Roger Blank, another percussionist from that circle remembers playing with Dorham on gigs like this in As Serious As Your Life... btw, regarding the claim about photos as proof of someone's presence, this is potentially tricky when it comes to brothers... for more on false names and cabaret cards, see e.g. the discussion of alto player Leon Rice here

thanks for pointing this out - I'd always been curious about Filet of Soul due to the combination of saxophonists - Anthony Ortega and Lorenzo Holden... but that other album with Willie Smith and Carrington Visor looks interesting as well... (John Tynan in a 1961 Downbeat article: "Visor is a furious player, rushing passionately ahead with shades of Harold Land all about him. He generates quick excitement with the resoluteness of each attack and is a tenor man to be reckoned with in any session.") And somehow, I'd consider it a bit too early to be real cheesy... but then again, there are many varieties of cheese... I'll certainly look into this...

Not David, but the answer is yes, for instance, the recording has been listed here for years with precise track times (April 1967) https://jazzdiscography.com/Leaders/DorhamKenny-ldr.php Edit: or just look at the first 2006 posts in this thread hetr ... However, there seems to be more music this time...

Maybe Denis had lost his cabaret card and used his brother's name... I am sure the jazz detective has a good explanation and didn't just pick the name with the greatest sales potential among all borderline plausible ones...

I went that route and got an LP copy of Other Afternoons last weekend without playing it before... It's awesome, a Cyrille master class...

probably not quite hype, but I did see some enthusiastic discussion of the new Jeff Parker and Anna Butters albums from last year... but I agree, there is less talk about the label (which, in a sense, is probably less relevant than talk about the releases themselves)

it's page 117 in the Jazzfinder 49... Doubting a bit if it's really the same label though...

Billboard 23 October 1948 HOLIDAY LABEL BOWS NEW YORK, Oct. 16.—A new label, Holiday Records, made its debut here this week with entries in both folk and race fields. The waxery, headed by Nelson Lewis, former sales manager for Disk Company of America, has pacted 12 distributors thruout the country, with Phoenix Disk handling local sales. The initial wax offering features Ken O’Rourke with the Rhythm Rangers, and the Starlight Gospel Singers. Billboard of 30 October 1948 mentions K. O’Rourke & The Rhythm Rangers (Sweet Doll) Holiday 3001 and K. O’Rourke & The Rhythm Rangers (Don’t Sigh) Holiday 3001 that record can be seen here https://mail.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/nc984027us the design is completely different... whatever that means, if there were actually two Holiday Record Companies in New York around 1948... or if they decided to change the design going from the first to the second record...

Previously, that credit was to Russ Charles or Hersh Charles... Denis sure is the more intriguing possibility... Wonder whether it's just intuition or whether there's actual evidence... https://jazzdiscography.com/Leaders/DorhamKenny-ldr.php

and one more article from Billboard 25 September 1948, so about a year earlier New Indie Set On Disc's Wax NEW YORK, Sept. 18.— Utilizing soma 600 masters acquired from Moe Asch's Disc catalog, a new indie is opening shop here under the name of Holiday Record Company. Nominal owner and director is Nelson Lewis, formerly with Disc as sales manager, but backing is understood to have been put up by George J. Erlinger, owner of the Eastern Record Company plant. Half of the masters were purchased by Erlinger from Asch, the others from the Clark Phonograph Record Company in Newark, N. J. George Clark has acquired masters from Asch, who had assigned them to Clark in advance of pressing as security against pressing charges. When Asch defaulted, Clark kept possession. Lewis said that the Holiday label will aim for a mass rather than a cultist sale, with emphasis on race, jazz, rural and authentic folk material. The platters, all 10-inchers, will retail for 79 cents, with the first release of six due next week, including sides by Charlie Ventura, Errol Garner, Muggsy Spanier and Lonnie Johnson. Eastern Records will press, and distribbing will be done by some of the distribbers who had handled the Disc line. Phoenix has been set as New York distribber and Downbeat on 2 December 1949 - so a bit later Granz Suit Takes A Different Twist New York—Norman Granz’ efforts to regain the Jazz at the Philharmonic masters cut for the Disc label have taken a new turn with the elimination from the picture of George Erlinger. who had claimed the masters. Erlinger has sold the platters to Joseph J. Corn, who is now the sole defendant in Granz’ suit to get the wax back. Production on the records has been stopped for several months as the result of an injunction obtained by Granz. Corn, meanwhile, has given an option on the masters to the new Arco label to be put out by the American Record company of Newark, N. J. If Granz fails in his efforts to get the masters, Arco would put out the records in a royalty deal with Corn.

thanks! (also for posting the Byard link) this one is pretty cool https://www.ebay.com/itm/316176350659?itmmeta=01JKED5GFE23D8CHHG55N7B7DZ&hash=item499d943dc3:g:Sw4AAOSwKUlnnj2Y Karlheinz Stockhausen advising Corea that he needs to listen to this album with headphones...