DrJ

What a piddling little discussion THIS has turned out to be...

HEH, FUNNY...WHAT? I CAN'T FRIGGIN' HEAR YOU...SPEAK THE &*$%#( UP!

I enjoy the PENGUINS for what they are too, DMP, but do feel that sometimes they veer perilously close to plagiarism, and even more often they really do simply hand down received wisdom, never digging any deeper for themselves.

I agree with many mentioned already. Don't forget also MONEY JUNGLE Not a "Mingus" album per se but he's a huge, fuming presence and in the company of Duke and Roach - one hell of a record. And a more obscure favorite: MINGUS THREE, another trio but more of a sleeper in terms of notoriety, with Hampton Hawes and Dannie Richmond.

It IS very nice - I have the JRVG, and agree it sounds excellent. BUT with that one you miss out on a couple of really nice alternate takes - maybe not the biggest deal in the world, but with music at this exhalted level, I'd like to replace both the JRVG and my old McMaster American issue with a definitive US RVG. I agree MATADOR would be a nice one too, as would TALKIN' ABOUT... What about a surprise entry of Wayne Shorter's SOOTHSAYER (I think reissued around the same time as MATADOR, and in equally atrocious sound)?

What you say is true to a degree Simon. I have noticed as I have more and more of the titles they talk about that the Penguin Guide guys often extract comments (paraphrased) more or less straight out of the liner notes from various CDs (without crediting them as such).

Yeah, I immediately put the discs into those slimline jewel cases and took the booklet out and just store it right next to the discs. But it's crazy to have to do this!

Hang in there, what Bright Moments said.

Farmer / Golson / Jazztet. Sublime.

I thought I saw something a while back about this one actually already being on schedule for an RVG release...

Well my friend, while the outside looks kind of nice - a little repro vintage amp - when you pull off the lid, all you see are the CDs literally wedged into slots in regular old gray spongy foam. They're just hanging there in space, no protection, and they easily roll right out onto the floor. By far, hands down the WORST boxed set packaging ever, and certainly the chintzy-est.

Sounds like a winner... but oy, what a name for an LP! Produced by BF Skinner?!?

Yes indeed, BruceH, they are, they are. On another plane!

Yeah, OBLIQUE would be a really great "sleeper" RVG. It's a far, far stronger session than the more known HAPPENINGS, IMHO, and you gotta figure it would sell some on Herbie's name alone. TOTAL ECLIPSE would be good too, selfishly, but I'd vote for OBLIQUE so more people could hear it, it's way up there with Bobby's best. Soul Stream, I like your organ listing - but remember the Ike Quebec 45 sessions I mentioned are also laden with soulful B-3 playing!

Glad to see LEAPIN' AND LOPIN' being supported - are you getting this Kevin? Just kiddin', but really, this is a stone classic BN date, definitely should be perennially kept in circulation in state of the art format.

Funny enough, couw, I just found both that Shaw 2-disc LAST SESSIONS set as well as the MORE LAST SESSIONS 2 CD set that came out somewhat later used a few weeks ago and have been enjoying the hell out of both. Mysterious forces are at work in the universe...

Fully aware. I'm just thoughtful.

Jimmy Noone. Old but definitely not in the way.

That's I think what I paid for my set at half.com too Peter, probably from the same vendor (they must have bought a stockpile!). Wait till you hear the Rex Stewart, Buddy Rich Big Band, and Professor Longhair stuff...what a great set! That Mary Lou Williams material at the end is icing on the cake, too.

Hey, I'm no elitist when it comes to use of great music in ads...I've personally benefitted, being first exposed to artists in this manner who I then got to explore. The prime example for me was Nick Drake's "Pink Moon" being used in the VW ads a few years back, my first entry into his world. I don't see the harm, except for those permanent mental images that sometimes then get stuck in your head associated with the music (just what those ad guys and gals want!).

Would also like to see 10" era BNs (at least a couple) in RVG format...maybe an Art Hodes and a Bechet (yeah, and you know what they say about monkeys flying out of some oriface...) Here's some others: McCoy Tyner - EXPANSIONS There needs to be at least one Curtis Fuller title in the RVG format...probably would most like to see VOLUME 3 Where the hell is Sonny Clark - LEAPIN' AND LOPIN'? PRIME RVG candidate Would absolutely LOVE to see an RVG set of Ike Quebec's 45 recordings (heck, the Mosaic is LONG gone and the single Japanese disc FROM HACKENSACK TO ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS doesn't capture all that great music). I'm sure it would sound stunning

I will probably pick up the Black Lion remasters for the few tracks not included in the Mosaic, but would like to say that I find the sound on the Mosaic CDs to be quite good for the era (don't have the set right here in front of me but I believe this was a Malcom Addey job and it shows!).

Although most seem to be talkin' about avant garde stuff, the thread title looked more inclusive, so: Teddy Edwards - MISSISSIPPI LAD (Gitanes/Verve). AT least for now. I've tried 5 or 6 times to like it, given how much I usually like Edwards, but this still seems putrid to me right now. Tom Waits = overrated and most definitely OUT OF PLACE in this company. This is really saying something for me, I can only recall ever CONSIDERING selling back 1 or 2 jazz recordings EVER - but I'm thinkin' about it with this one.

I just saw MIGHTY APHRODITE again a few days ago, and while it's not absolutely top flight Woody it's damn funny in spots. Dan and Lon were discussing his books - truly, truly timeless, ingenious comedy. The bit about the two guys playing chess by mail Jim R mentions (Gossage-Vardebedian Papers), where a letter gets lost somewhere in the middle and they get off-sync (and both appear to be trying to cheat each other to boot) is priceless, as is the one about the invention of the sandwich. And who could forget "Fabrizio's: A Criticism and Response," wherein the cuisine at a restaurant is reviewed from various political viewpoints? Classic.

Holy crap, this is a GREAT album! I found it used as KING OF THE B-3, a Muse CD issue from 1991, this past weekend and figured I'd begin my Patterson education with it (no prior Patterson in my collection). I liked it so much that I did a search 'cause I figured SOMEONE had to have talked about it before, and sure enuff, they had. This has quickly become one of my favorite jazz organ albums, bar none, up there with the finest of Larry Young, Eddy Louiss, etc. Smokin'! True it's quite sloppy at times (there's one point where Dunbar gets so far behind the rest in playing a long spun-out type of phrase that it actually sounds for a moment like his solo was spliced in at the wrong spot!) but that really adds to the charm for me. I love the way it sounds like it's totally unvarnished and unprettied up, and LOVE the way it's recorded, up close and personal and very true to life. Jim's comment about Daniels/Henderson is damn funny, but I have to admit I don't really hear it, must be a musician thing. I am pretty awed by the fact that Daniels plays with complete mastery on soprano, alto, and tenor. Not a particularly distinctive sound on any of the axes, but I wouldn't have made the Henderson parallel myself (he's not rhythmically in the same bag to me). Funny enough, Patterson is probably the weakest soloist here to my ears, but it just flat out don't matter when you can swing like he does - man oh man, his basslines are the BEST I've ever heard by an organist, and his comping drives the train. Love the sound he gets too, must be an unusual combination of stops. Woo hoo! I dig Dunbar's playing too, not the smoothest but he's going out on many harmonic limbs so you can forgive a few fluffs, he's REACHING. And I've always dug Freddy Waits, a quintessential classy jazz drummer. I love the fact they do the "Odd Couple Theme" too, I've always wondered why more people didn't, it's a damn catchy tune and harmonically interesting. I can't wait for the drive home to pop this in the car player again.