Holy Ghost

You're right about that, I see the facts, and I agree about Joker being an all-around, all-surface player. But different eras though too. Rafa squaring against Borg? Love to see that. Hey, we got to see Pete square against Fed at Madison Square Garden, so nothing is impossible. I don't think there's an argument that Roger is the second best (in this era) clay court player. Rafa and Fed have squared off in the French finals many times. The McEnroe, Bjorg, Connors era is one for sure, later, the Pete v. Agassi era. Andre got that French title in at the best time (late in his career '92) whereas Pete never got it. Now we're seeing the end of another great rivalry. Roger will probably never play a major again (maybe Aussie) and Rafa's "literal" Achilles' heel may end his career too. Will Joker get another major? Probably, if he can control himself, probably more.

Thank you my man!

Did not know the West/East coast connection, the Etergin Bros, deserve their own discussion. Still don't know much about these dudes. But get the MJQ connection, didn't they name one of their albums "Lonely Woman? or John Lewis at least on Atlantic?" See that connection.

Woahhh, cool story. Knew that Free Jazz was a Pollock, didn't know the rest.

Wow. Color me impressed. Don't take that the wrong way, that's concentrated history, so there's a lot to deconstruct here. So I'll start with Don Ellis. A Boston guy, who got a one deal with Prestige/New Jazz....why one deal? Its these snippets that puts it all together, thanks Cliff and JSngry!

So who did all the talking, why were Atlantic so interested in Ornette so much? Were representatives from Savoy and BN there too during the Lenox show? None of them seemed to walk away with better deals than Ornette. To me, during this time, Ornette should've been on par with Jackie on Prestige/New Jazz. Am I alone here on this point? I should add, John Lewis was different, like Ike Quebec was for BN, so that may be the Atlantic connection.

Why two albums? How Atlantic got in there?

Could've sworn there was an earlier version of this album cover. Quick searches are doing me no favors, but memory serves it looked like a wheel of astrology.

That's swell. Roger is second best, Joker (like Roger, got lucky with the French). Period. None of those dudes got what they got, because Rafa wasted them in the finals...and when he was in the finals, he wins. 14-14. Stan the Man is the only other one to walk away with two.

Not interested in this boxset. Loooove this pic of Ayler/concept on the cover by HAT. But after Albert was (forced) to fire Donald, there was a major piece missing in his music at this period for me. Impulse though, after they tried to portray Albert as some sort of majestic hippie (like some Rasputin gypsy) but he fought on and none of his music suffered ( severely) thereafter; he didn't strike me as radio friendly either, which was their aim. Impulse did him fine nonetheless. Drove one of the most ingenious minds in the dirt. My opinion of course.

You're cool Brad, it's all good, maybe I just don't have the opportunity to talk tennis much.

Can't get this link to work, tell me that's not George Coleman out front playing.

Can I go by albums? Vince Guaraldi, Jazz Impressions of a Black Orpheus, gets me in the mood for fall (include the Christmas album for the holidays) Miles Davis's Collector's Items for those rainy nights. Brubeck when patio living.

" whereas Djokovic’s are pretty spread out. " Pretty spread out how? Out of those 20, Joker's got 2 French out of 20!

Dude's a genius. His compositions should be aligned with the last/this century's best.

Thanks guys, I will give it a (youtubian) spin

I like Stanley (especially with his brother Tommy) especially on the Parlan's. And there is a good few I like after that, " Look Out!", "That's Where It's At," etc. Blue Hour though, and I have the Connie, is a mood swinger towards lounging: Gotta be relaxed and ready to doze with a glass of fine cognac and a cozy fire. To me, otherwise, I don't know why else I'd put this on. Edit to say, Grant Green's Am I Blue, bypasses the cognac, fire, coziness, etc....unconscious.

Found this one and like it a lot (Goodwill of all places!) Stefano Bollani-Piano Solo (2006). ...no, I don't think he ever made a bad album too, but he never got to me either. I had two of his ECM's and never went back to them and sold them. I can't put my finger on it, but like he sounds so mechanical about his business I guess. Excellent musician, maybe he's just too ECM'd, I don't know how to put it. Safe, maybe.

My ex-wife used to do this to me all the time because she knew I knew everything (down to catalogue numbers) in my collection, that when I wasn't home or asleep, she would miss-file something and wait for my reaction later (this could take hours, days, months...) where I would finally freak out and say, "where the fuck is it?" and she would just burst out laughing, knowing how meticulous my filing system was. Who does that??? Well, I did say "ex"....

In the midst of all this, I stumbled across this movie while I was out of town on tv (among HBO's usual run of movies, that I've been watching since I was 10 (Clash of the Titans, Ghostbusters, Alien...,) The Many Saints of Newark (2021) maybe was his last movie, but it's another version of the young Soprano, a good fella like approach to the gang life like Goodfellas was about. I only watched about a half hour of it, then we had plans to do something, but it looked really good. Anyone no what I'm talking about?

" I don’t know that we can say that Rafa is unique" Sure about that??? What's unique to you? Who has 14 majors at one event? Roger has effectively retired. Joker may get lucky since Wimby is banning Russian players, including his biggest contender, Medvedev. But no one will ever get close (in the open era) to having that many majors at one event alone. Like even 8 seemed impossible (to the average player.)

Like others, I find his BN period to be the most satisfying (probably up to Kofi for me.) The sessions with Sonny Red that culminated in the records, Mustang, Blackjack and Slow Drag are awesome (meaning very enjoyable); but reconsidering Byrd's BN sideman work, perhaps Dex's One Flight Up is my favorite of his, especially the first track.

And I'll start I am a Roger fan through and through, but Rafa now has as many French titles as Sampras total...and Pistol Pete doesn't even have a French tucked in there; in fact, never even got near it! Why I bring up Fed? He got one, but if it wasn't for Soderling taking out Rafa in the quarters, he could've maybe never had one either. But in terms of greatness, I'm willing to concede, Rafa is perhaps the greatest tennis player (open era) of all time. I mean 14 major French titles alone?!?!?! Sick!

Woahh!!!

Man, this thread is getting to me. RIP! If it wasn't for Jackie's Destination...Out!!! I would've never known about GMIII! Like how I discovered Grant Green on Lee's Search for the New Land, who would've known what a gem was tucked in there. Man, this hurts.