7/4

Oh, they've seen worse.... The round-table group from the new PBS Wall Street Journal show?

lucky you. Does she have an equally hip Aunt in the NYC/NJ area?

Hey! How do you know I have been checking out all these porn sites....unless I work with computers in my day job. I have customers...I know what people do when the boss isn't looking. plus, there's all those used tissues around your desk......yek!

It's from all those porn sites you've been checking out.

Of course the goverment is watching you. What did you expect?

time for a new cd player.

notice how he sticks it in... ...the misc. non-politcal forum.

word.

It's about time, it's about space...

According to Sunny Murray (not the most reliable source), Dolphy was supposed to join a little modern jazz combo for a tour in the end of '64. Not just some combo, but this one: Ayler Cherry Peacock Murray And Dolphy. That could be he-he, for sure. And most assuredly hi-de-ho. What a shame.

hope they're OK!

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Couw hasn't been around since late last month. Must be vacation time. I hope he's ok...

Ah!

Well, 7/4, I have to note that under the positive influence of Hans and myself you are making some improvements. Hi-de-ho is serious enough for me. I speak for myself only, of course - Hans might still find it a bit thoughtless and irrisponsible, but for me it's just fine. Good to hear there's some hope! ho-ho-pe? Only in the privacy of your own home!

I liked it. Maybe it was having three chordal instruments, vibes, gtr and piano made it a bit crowded? I should get this out and spin it, I really only heard it a few times.

Well, 7/4, I have to note that under the positive influence of Hans and myself you are making some improvements. Hi-de-ho is serious enough for me. I speak for myself only, of course - Hans might still find it a bit thoughtless and irrisponsible, but for me it's just fine. Good to hear there's some hope!

Speak for yourself. Hans, seeing our total similarity of music tastes and outlook on life, I got used to making statements on behalf of you and me. This goes beyond this board -. actually, most of the conversations I start with "Hans and I think...". I willingly acknowledge my mistake, and this will never happen again. In all my written and oral presenrtation I will always make a comment along the lines of "this is my personal opinion exclusively, I am not aware of Hans' opinon, nor am I authorized to make any statements on his behalf". Honestly, I am bewildered: what made you think our tastes and outlook on life are so similar? I don't recall any conversations on or off this board re things like that, so I'm wondering how you reached that conclusion. The main thing that we have in common, Hans, is that we - unlike most of the posters on this board, take life very seriously. People here tend to have a somewhat, shall I say, shallow and light outlook on things, and it is for people like you and me (it became so natural for me to make statements on bahalf of us both, you see - this is the last time, I promise) to remind them that life is not just he-he and ho-ho. How about hi-de-ho?

it's here...

Now THATS deep.

They found that it was deep!

NY Timrs: August 17, 2004 In Croatia, Explorers Make a Deep Discovery By MARK GLASSMAN WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - Earlier this month, as thousands of Olympians trained to compete in Athens, a small team of Croatian cavers set a new benchmark that went largely unnoticed. They found the world's deepest hole. There was no medal ceremony awaiting Darko Baksic, the expedition leader, or any of his dusty colleagues when they reached the bottom of the 1,693-foot pit. Just a long climb back up. The pit, which is at the back of a dark cave in the Velebit mountains, southwest of Zagreb, is about 217 feet deeper than the former record holder in Austria known as Hollenhohle. Sophisticated mapping has left very little room for dumb luck in surface exploration. But maps do not chart what lies beneath the land or the ocean floor. "I'm not at all surprised that we're still making these sorts of discoveries," said Lisa R. Gaddis, the program chief of the United States Geological Survey's astrogeology team, said, "I think we have perhaps a better global picture of some other terrestrial planets, like Mars, than we have of some of the more remote areas on Earth." When it comes to caves, noted David E. Smith, chief of NASA's Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics, "we can't see anything from space.'' He added, "You can't really say very much, if anything at all, about below the surface." The new find is not the deepest cave on Earth. That title still belongs to the Krubera Cave in Abkhazia, which descends 5,130 feet (almost a mile), albeit more steadily, without such a sharp drop. Cavers define a hole, or pit, as a straight vertical drop, sometimes interrupted by ledges, that is too steep to walk down. "Until the era of modern speleology, pits often stopped incursions into caves," according to The Atlas of the Great Caves of the World. Today, most pits are explored by shimmying down ropes. Mr. Baksic's team, which is now converting its field drawings into precise maps for publication, found the record-setting hole while exploring another cavern nearby. "People don't tend to go and search for these things," Mr. Smith said. "They tend to find them more or less by accident, while exploring." The underworld remains a kind of last frontier for explorers looking for new discoveries. "It takes a special kind of person who is willing to walk, crawl a mile underground in pitch black," Mr. Smith said. Cave explorers are among the last amateurs. "For me, it's like a profession," said Andrej Stroj, a member of the team that found the record-setting abyss in Croatia, "but for others, it's mostly a hobby." Jim Chester, a fellow of the Explorers Club in New York, received the National Speleological Society's highest award for cave exploration last year for his work charting caverns in Montana. But caving does not pay his bills. "All the stuff I do with caves is on the weekends or vacation," said Mr. Chester, 60. During the week, he is a postman. The caving society's official list of the world's deepest pits is maintained by Bob Gulden, a Maryland engineer. Mr. Gulden is a member of a local caving club called the Gangsta Mappers, a network of guerrilla cartographers who remap previously explored caves, but with more care and in greater detail. "Every cave they remap," Mr. Gulden said, "they always find new passage." Cavers do not have the technology available to scientists like Mr. Smith or Ms. Gaddis. "You've got to physically do it," Mr. Gulden said. Ground-penetrating radar could detect the presence of an underground cavity, he said, but that equipment is too expensive and impractical for ordinary cavers. Cavers rely on old tricks to find new caves, like hunting for depressions in the snow or tracing the passage of water through a mountain. Mr. Chester said his group occasionally takes aerial scouting trips in the winter to search for "smoking entrances," or pockets of steam rising from the snow that could indicate warm air rising through a cave system. "We do not know what the deepest cave on this planet is," Mr. Chester said, "and unless there is some big breakthrough, like a CAT scan for the Earth, we may never know."

Did ya go? How was it?

Many do it because they're hiding a bald spot. I only ware one when I walk in the park to keep the sun out of my eyes. As soon as I'm back in the car I take it off.

Sunday Mirror STONE CHARLIE HAS CANCER BUT VOWS: I'LL BEAT IT Aug 15 2004 By Ben Todd Showbusiness Editor ROLLING STONES legend Charlie Watts has throat cancer, the Sunday Mirror can reveal. The 63-year-old drummer, "the quiet one" of the world's most famous rock and roll band, discovered a lump on his neck two months ago and consulted doctors immediately. A biopsy confirmed the tumour was malignant and Charlie is now having intensive radiotherapy treatment. A close friend said yesterday: "It's a very difficult time. Charlie is determined to keep strong but he wouldn't be human if he wasn't finding it hard. "Even so, he's remaining upbeat. He's just getting on with things and insists he's fine." Each morning, Charlie leaves his smart Chelsea address and takes the short walk to the Royal Marsden Hospital for radiotherapy. Looking gaunt and frail, a bandage covering the left side of his neck, he strolls into the South-West London hospital, which specialises in cancer care. He has completed about three-quarters of his six-week course of radiotherapy. Throughout the ordeal, Charlie's wife Shirley - they married in 1964 - has been a constant source of support, helping him through the trying time. The friend said: "Shirley has known for some time of Charlie's illness and has coped really well. She has been really positive. "Even after all these years, they still adore each other and she provides the ultimate support system for him. His beloved daughter Seraphina and her daughter Charlotte jetted in from their Bermuda home to visit Charlie three weeks ago. The friend revealed: "That's really helped keep his spirits up." Charlie is believed to have reacted well to the treatment and doctors are hopeful he will make a full recovery. A Rolling Stones spokesman last night confirmed: "Charlie is reaching the end of radiotherapy treatment having been diagnosed with throat cancer following a minor operation in June. "He is expected to make a full recovery and start work with the rest of the band later in the year." Charlie, who is worth an estimated £80million, quit smoking more than 15 years ago. But throughout his career, he has been a regular performer at jazz clubs -notorious for their smoky atmosphere - whenever he has had any free time from the Stones. And there are fears that, like the late TV presenter Roy Castle, he has been the victim of passive smoking. Last night, cancer expert Dr Muir Gray told the Sunday Mirror: "If a heavy smoker quit 10 to 15 years ago then the risks of contracting cancer usually drop to the same as if they had never picked up a cigarette. "But if they continue to work in a smoky atmosphere, they are still inhaling the equivalent of three cigarettes a day." Earlier this year, Charlie's bandmate Ronnie Wood said he had been ordered to quit smoking by doctors after traces of deadly lung disease emphysema were found during a routine scan. Speaking to the Sunday Mirror, Wood confessed: "The doctors said that if I give up smoking now I can nip it in the bud - I still have powerful lungs. "But they say if I smoke for another year, I could get emphysema and - boom - my lungs could collapse." George Harrison died of throat cancer in November 2001 after a long battle with the disease which he blamed on his life-long addiction to smoking.Like the former Beatle, Inspector Morse star John Thaw tragically died from throat cancer in February 2002 after a short illness. Journalist and broadcaster John Diamond, 47, was another victim. Last night a friend of the Stones revealed how Ronnie and the rest of the band - Sir Mick Jagger and Keith Richards - have stood by Charlie since he was diagnosed. "They have been rallying around as well as offering their support - but they're all determined to remain positive." the friend added. "They are definitely looking forward to seeing him back in the studio in the next few months." If he continues to react positively to treatment, the rest of the Stones are due to welcome Charlie back in October. Then they will go back into the recording studio to begin work on a new album. The veteran rockers will also begin rehearsals for another world tour starting next year. Rock critics have never been able to work out why shy, self- deprecating Charlie ever hooked up with one of the world's wildest rock bands. Even he admits that falling in with the likes of Jagger and Richards was "a complete accident". While the others were hell-raising, sleeping around and taking drugs, Watts was colour-coding his socks and ringing his family. His only fall from grace was brief and came in the 1980s when he found himself with a heroin and an amphetamine problem. But it didn't last and he hasn't touched drugs - or drink - since. These days he spends most of his time breeding horses and dogs at the 17th Century Devon manor house he owns with Shirley. He still joins the Stones on their tours from time to time, but spends most of his time with his band Tentet, which consists of 12 musicians drawn from the cream of the British jazz scene. In recent years, he has continued to play at blues clubs with his "other" bands, including The Charlie Watts Quintet. He's also dabbled in big band jazz with The Charlie Watts Orchestra. They went on to huge success but still regularly play tiny venues like Ronnie Scott's in London's Soho, which is what Watts always wanted to do. He once said: "I couldn't have made a career out of it. I wasn't good enough. But, God, I love it." Charlie got his name as "the quiet one" when horrified at the results of his first-ever interview in the 1960s, he refused to speak to another journalist for more than 20 years. Instead, he preferred to leave the one-to-one interviews to his more talkative colleagues - Mick and Keith. He explained recently: "It's not that there was anything wrong with the interview, I just hated reading about myself. I still do. "I think if Ronnie Wood were asked what his favourite subject was, he'd say Ronnie Wood. But he's very good at it and I'm not." Charlie was born in 1941, the son of a British Rail lorry driver. He studied graphic design at Harrow Art College, then took a job in a West End advertising agency. Around this time, in the early 1960s, he began playing drums in various local groups until he played his first gig with the Stones at the Flamingo Club, Soho in 1963. But ask him to sum up his career 40 years later, and Charlie Watts is characteristically modest. "I suppose I've seen 40 years of Mick's bum running around in front of me," he once said. "That's all I can see when I'm at the back of the stage. But I'm not complaining. One of the biggest compliments I can have as a drummer is that someone is dancing to you. The drums should dance and they should make you want to dance." His Stones pals are more gushing about Watts's talent. The biggest cheer on a tour usually comes when Jagger coaxes him out from behind his kit and introduces him to the audience as "Charlie on drums". And Keith Richards once said: "I couldn't do my stuff if I didn't have Charlie Watts. I don't always realise how blessed I've been to work with a drummer like that for 40 years." ben.todd@sundaymirror.co.uk MICK: QUIET ONE MADE US A BAND THE books and fanzines say The Rolling Stones were officially born on July 12, 1962, at their first gig at London's Marquee Club. But Mick Jagger has always said the Stones only came into being on January 14, 1963, when Watts joined on drums at Soho's Flamingo Club. Named after a Muddy Waters song by school friends Mick and Keith, The Stones' best-known line up was Jagger, Richards, Brian Jones, bassist Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts. Together they produced eight No 1s in the 1960s. They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1989 and have released more than 30 albums to date. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A SMOKER PASSIVE smokers are at as much risk of getting cancer as someone who smokes every day. Dr Muir Gray, head of the Department of Health's National Cancer Screening, says people who sit in smoky atmospheres inhale the daily equivalent of around three cigarettes. Dr Gray said: "It is relative - If you are in a smoky pub for three hours then you are 18 times more at risk of contracting cancer than someone who is in there for 10 minutes.' He warned that passive smoking can be a major contributor to throat cancer, which strikes 7,200 people in Britain every year and is particularly deadly.