Larry Kart

As attractive as many of the bands/dates Rumsey nominally led, the basic problem with most of them to some degree IIRC is that Rumsey was not a very talented/swinging bass player but something of a plodder. They were his gigs, though. To stay within the same general bag of players, say, Monty Budwig would have made a considerable difference.

I will eventually respond to the responses. In the meantime....maybe the "moderator" can explain this particular poster (who has to be the most hostile person on here. Anger Management issues don't even come close describing his problems. He comes off as completely unhinged a good deal of the time.) is even still allowed to be a member? I have been threatened with banning, had posts deleted by the "moderator"....but someone who regularly insults and/or threatens other members for who knows how many years now is somehow still around. I guess there is a rule in the famous rules that keep being mentioned to me that makes it okay for him to do it. The irony is his post describes him exactly....well except his insults/threats are on the elementary/junior high level. I have lost track of how many of posts I have come across which are like this....when he only responds in threads to insult and/or threaten other members. But let's get all over those duplicate threads! The poster has been warned. I really can't tell at this point if you're being serious or attempting humor with that response to my post....and taking into account at this point I can quote countless posts that this member would have been banned pretty much every other place....WTF? knows how many years ago....it could have been from 2003 from all I know....it just got depressing after several searches with him telling people to fuck off, assholes, or wanting them dead....but here somehow he miraculously is still a member....and best I can make out....you were "moderating" for just the time I checked. Even on "the other" board that doesn't have a "moderator"....on which I made clear there should be one (and I also said on here is a Dead BB Walking)...and it took 14-years to finally ban the "troll"....this member wouldn't have lasted. God help anyone that starts a duplicate thread....but tell people to die, assholes, little shits, fuck off....that's all good on your watch, or get's a warning. I was threatened with banning for just using another members job (which he used several times previously as part of his enabling argument.)....you the "moderator" even mocked me when I tried to explain why that one subject bothered me....I also had a post deleted that had 11-14+-years of post on two boards to support. I can't even imagine what you would have done if I posted a single one of those posts this member posted that I can quote on your watch. You want to tell me about this board's rules again? But let's get all over those duplicate threads! I was quite serious; that poster has been warned, by me. But it's nice (irony alert now) that you have been conducting such thorough research into the past behavior of posters whose behavior annoys you ("...at this point I can quote countless posts that [would have led to] this member being banned pretty much every other place"...). And I'm the wannabe policeman here? P.S. You were threatened with being banned because you were behaving like a troll -- saying things that seemed IMO (and I'm not only no novice in this aspect of internet behavior, but this also was not solely my opinion in this instance) to be said not so much to make a point in an admittedly contentious discussion but essentially to provoke that particular poster (i.e. the school teacher), whom you had made clear you had gripe against from your dustups with him on another board. The trollish aspect of this would be, in case you don't already know, that if trolls can provoke someone into a bit of sufficiently angry/bad behavior, the provoked one may get punished and the troll, pleading innocence, can skate free. But onward and upward with your research.

I will eventually respond to the responses. In the meantime....maybe the "moderator" can explain this particular poster (who has to be the most hostile person on here. Anger Management issues don't even come close describing his problems. He comes off as completely unhinged a good deal of the time.) is even still allowed to be a member? I have been threatened with banning, had posts deleted by the "moderator"....but someone who regularly insults and/or threatens other members for who knows how many years now is somehow still around. I guess there is a rule in the famous rules that keep being mentioned to me that makes it okay for him to do it. The irony is his post describes him exactly....well except his insults/threats are on the elementary/junior high level. I have lost track of how many of posts I have come across which are like this....when he only responds in threads to insult and/or threaten other members. But let's get all over those duplicate threads! The poster has been warned.

Don't recall any palm action. It was a private party, no play on words intended. Quite a band -- Patterson, Von, guitarist Sam Thomas, and Wilbur Campbell. Von was incredible. I think the middle-aged couple the party was for (probably their anniversary) were friends of his.

I'm the "guy" involved here. I did listen to your complaint seriously but didn't see any harm in what was done. I didn't fluff you off but just didn't agree with you about this matter. Aware that you were not satisfied with my response, I suggested that you complain to the two other parties around here to whom one can complain on the chance that they might see your complaint differently and give you the response you want. How is that being cavalier?

I'm the same way with pianists who pick their noses and then go and put their fingers right on the keyboard. Nasty. I think I've mentioned before that I once saw organist Don Patterson play a longish solo with his tongue, in a convincing imitation of cunnilingus. That was also the first time I hear Von Freeman play. Quite an afternoon.

But then you would have gotten bit by the fusion bug! No -- I meant when I was ten or twenty years older than I was when I went to college.

No, it's not the biggest deal, but in post #57 above I stated what I thought the disadvantages of duplicates threads were and what the advantages of not having duplicates threads were. So what might be the advantages of duplicate threads? I'm willing to listen. As for the the spinster school marm thing, while the situations may not be quite parallel, I recall an ill-fated college course I took in Homeric Greek, which was taught by one of the world's chief experts on the subject. Our first task was to memorize the 24-letter Greek alphabet, from Alpha to Omicron. Something of a child of the 1960s, or perhaps just a lazy schmuck, I failed to do this by the second day of class, as was the case for a good many others. When the teacher realized this, he pointed out that until we knew the alphabet we would be greatly handicapped in looking up anything in the Greek-to-English side of our Greek-English dictionaries, and that as novices we would be looking up things there a whole lot. Errr... The Greek alphabet runs from alpha to omega: I said the course was ill-fated -- especially for me. I should have dropped it, just got a bad grade, learned much less than I could have. Wish I could have gone to college ten years later in life than I did, maybe twenty years later.

I thought his Rodgers and Hammerstein solo album was very good, especially liked the way he approached the pieces -- with insight and understanding, didn't try to jazz them up. His way with Monk did nothing for me, though. One of his trio records, "Dancing in the Dark," all standards, appealed to me for the same reason the R&H album did -- the subtle, insightful conceptual approach to the pieces themselves. He's not really a "blowing" musician IMO, perhaps too much of a neatnik, but genuine and thoughtful FWTW. Brief encounters with his more ambitious, pretentious projects were off-putting.

No, it's not the biggest deal, but in post #57 above I stated what I thought the disadvantages of duplicates threads were and what the advantages of not having duplicates threads were. So what might be the advantages of duplicate threads? I'm willing to listen. As for the the spinster school marm thing, while the situations may not be quite parallel, I recall an ill-fated college course I took in Homeric Greek, which was taught by one of the world's chief experts on the subject. Our first task was to memorize the 24-letter Greek alphabet, from Alpha to Omicron. Something of a child of the 1960s, or perhaps just a lazy schmuck, I failed to do this by the second day of class, as was the case for a good many others. When the teacher realized this, he pointed out that until we knew the alphabet we would be greatly handicapped in looking up anything in the Greek-to-English side of our Greek-English dictionaries, and that as novices we would be looking up things there a whole lot.

There are two moderators, myself and Son-of-a-Weizen, with Jim of course waiting in the wings if needed. There used to be three moderators. I would be happy to slough off the role myself, but, and I mean no irony here, I think somebody's got to do it, and I was asked and accepted. Why is "no duplicate threads" stupid? Not the most important things there is, but "stupid"? It helps to keep things working more efficiently, by keeping all the comments on a particular topic in one place where all who are interested can find it and, it goes without saying, see what all other interested parties have said.

The link is to a JSP set, which is a European public-domain release, not a bootleg - even though JSP are often stealing other labels' masterings.

"Don't Go Near the Water": From the fountains in the mountains Comes the water running cool and clear and blue And it comes down from the hills And it goes down to the towns and passes through When it gets down to the cities Then the water turns into a dirty gray It's poisoned and polluted By the people as it goes along its way http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/j/johnny_cash/dont_go_near_the_water.html

No, that's not really the point. The logic here is that even the threat of legal action is exceedingly unlikely - it's never going to come to winning or losing. Amazon and other Internet retailers are pretty risk-averse: rather than dick around with fighting to keep up boots here and there, they're going to invariably respond to even a C&D by simply taking down access to the boot. Which means that if you see a boot up there, Amazon hasn't been served with a C&D. Why someone would serve Jim with a C&D for board members' linking and not Amazon for actual selling...again, it really doesn't make any sense. The moral argument against linking is stronger...but I think it's unrealistic to think you can proactively rid the board of more than a small fraction of such links ("proactively" as opposed to moderators taking them down after the fact). Contrary to Larry's point, I don't think most who are linking to boots are intentionally doing so or know better; only some of us are walking discographies, and many do not think too hard about things like record labels (this board is about discussing MUSIC, amirite?). Hectoring a la Larry is not going to meaningfully reduce the instance of this problem. I didn't say that the people who were posting those links were doing so to intentionally violate the form rules -- rather, I think that in almost every case they were unaware of this rule in the first place or had forgotten about it. Thus, I wasn't hectoring anyone, just reminding people not to post those links. And I have more faith in the good sense and good will all of us than you do -- I'd be surprised if the number of those links doesn't go way down in the future. Yes, this board is about discussing music, but it's also about doing so within the boundaries of good behavior that Jim, the most beneficent of hosts IMO, has set up.

Couldn't be at the Fest this year myself for a blend of practical reasons that have no relevance here, but Reich's "observations" are not genuine observations IMO but part of a personal-political disinformation campaign that he has been carrying on for almost 20 years now. The same sort of thinking pervades many of his reviews -- or should I say "reviews." That is, he more or less decides upfront (on a more or less self-serving "political" basis) whether a fellow such as himself should or should not like a particular performance, and then he proceeds accordingly. My advice: Don't believe a word he says about anything; even when he's right (e.g. praises something that's praise-worthy), he's wrong -- because the spirit/motive behind the praise is typically venal and ugly, a move in a game. I should say that while my views here are ones that I could have arrived at just by reading Reich's work, I also know the man; we worked at the same newspaper for many years.

But it does demolish any legal logic used to justify this board policy. The point of the policy, I presume, is to immunize Jim from lawsuits lodged by copyright holders. But if the world's largest online retailer is selling the product, arguing that linking to such products will amount to likely lawsuits for Jim makes no sense. The point of a lawsuit is to obtain relief from harm; if nobody is bothering to sue Amazon, which is causing about 1,000,000x the harm Jim is in such a case...then why does Jim have anything to fear? It's asinine. I believe the point of the policy is not just a legal one but a moral one: people should not profit from the sale of bootlegs because the true owners of that music have not given their permission and are not being paid for it. That is my understanding of the point of the policy. Jim, as a professional musician, has the moral imagination to put himself in the shoes of other professional musicians -- simple as that.

READ THE FORUM RULES: 7) We do not allow sharing, trading, or linking copyrighted material that is being offered illegally, including bootlegs.

All Uptown releases are legit. Otherwise, Paul Secor's point seems sound to me: "If it looks like a bootleg, it probably is a bootleg. Don't post a link and let people find their own way to it. If they want it, they'll find it. Simple enough." So if you have ANY doubts, don't post a link. And don't ask the moderators to supply you with a Sky King secret-decoder ring and a ten-page set of directions and don't dream up outre, logic-chopping examples; just use common sense. As for Amazon, we've known for a good while that they don't care about screening out bootlegs or can't take the trouble to do it , so the presence of album on the Amazon site doesn't make it authorized.

Just to save all of us (especially the moderators) trouble -- forum rules state that no links to unauthorized recordings are allowed. I didn't plan to spend a fair-sized portion of my life as the man with a broom who sweeps up the elephant crap after a circus parade.

Forum rules state that no links are allowed to unauthorized issues. Thus the links in the above post have been deleted.

At his best, Cliburn was a great pianist, fantastic chops plus deep musicality in the repertoire that attracted him. Took me a while to reach that conclusion, given my reaction to all the early hype, but the recordings don't lie.

I thought the clip was going to end with someone shoving the mouthpiece down his throat.

How can it not, at least in part, be about Frank McCourt if "Angela's Ashes," however beautiful its prose may be, is also more or less a fantasy and one that implicitly or explicitly is unfair to others? The standard for memoirists is not identical to that for writers of fiction.

Well, if in the view of those who have some knowledge of the man and his background, he significantly shaped the telling of the story of his life to fit those prevailing, saleable stereotypes. Wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

http://www.amazon.com/At-Hollywood-Empire-Duke-Ellington/dp/B004O0UQAQ/ref=sr_1_7?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1346163388&sr=1-7&keywords=ellington+hollywood http://www.amazon.com/At-The-Hurricane-Duke-Ellington/dp/B004LP2AIK/ref=pd_bxgy_m_img_y Just ordered them on the recommendations of an Amazon poster who I think is Moms and after listening to tracks on Spotify -- those tracks sounded excellent.