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Haha, it reminds me of our own North Sea Jazz Festival, where more than half of the performers are non jazz musicians. ‘Highlights’ of the last years were Kanye West and Snoop Dogg...

No there is more music from that tour that has circulated as a bootleg. Please forget about the voting system. Let’s make it a plus or minus system. This saves a lot of time and a lot math. So plus one if recommended and minus one if not. - Last Performance At Newport 1966 +1 - Live in Comblain-La-Tour 1965 (Grade) voters - Live in Paris (1965) (Grade) voters - Antibes/Baden Baden/San Francisco (Grade) voters - Complete Live in Stuttgart 1963 (Grade) voters - The Complete Copenhagen 1963 Concert (Grade) voters - The Unissued Seattle Broadcast -1 - Live At The Showboat, Philadelphia, June 17, 1963 (Grade) voters - More Live At The Showboat 1963 (Grade) voters - Far Train (Birdland 1962/1963) (Grade) voters - The 1962 Milan Concert (Grade) voters -The 1962 Graz Concert (Grade) voters - Live in Denmark 1962 (Grade) voters - Stockholm 62 The Complete Concerts (Grade) voters - With Eric Dolphy (Complete 1962 Birdland Broadcasts) (Grade) voters - European Tour 1961 (contains almost all European records 1961, not the Pablo edition) (Grade) voters - Complete Live At The Sutherland Lounge 1961 (Grade) voters - The 1961 Newport Set (Grade) voters - Live At The Jazz Gallery 1960 (Grade) voters

Alright I have to admit: I am a Coltrane addict. This means that until now, I have got all is his studio work as a leader, all his live (official) music as a leader, almost all his studio work as a sideman and almost all his (official) live works as a sideman. As a teacher, now is the holidays in the Netherlands for one week, which gave me some time to dive into his discography again. And hell: there are a lot of bootlegs. A very lot of those bootlegs have been brought out in the past 10 years by labels like Gambit, Lone Hill, RLR, well you all know those labels. Personally, I hate them and they bring mixed feelings to me. I hate the fact they bring out a lot of copyrighted material in versions with wrong credits, poor liner notes and bad information. But in the case with Coltrane: they attract me because they are the only ones that bring out this material. And I do want to have it (being an obsessive compulsive collector. Now these bootlegs, they vary from: very bad and not even listenable to actually quite good and worth having. My plan with this topic is to come to a selection with your help, of must haves in these bootlegs series. I hope you want to help me out. The bootlegs I have selected cover all the bootleg stuff from 1960 to 1966, except quite a lot of stuff from the Showboat through all those years, some 1960 Jazz Gallery stuff, the "L'Olympia", Paris, France, 1st concert, November 17, 1962, and the 1964 recordings at Birdland and Pep's. My idea is as follows: in the list below you give the albums a rating (0,5 to 5) followed by the share of voters. This means you have to calculate an average if you are the second or later voter. This system is kind of like the system you have got on rateyourmusic.com. In this way I hope we can make a selection of recordings that are absolutely worth having, and a share of recordings that are 'collectors only'. Please do take the sound quality in your grading! It will definitely help me to make te right decisions if I know where to start. Thanks for your help! The list is as follows: - Last Performance At Newport 1966 (Grade) voters - Live in Comblain-La-Tour 1965 (Grade) voters - Live in Paris (1965) (Grade) voters - Antibes/Baden Baden/San Francisco (Grade) voters - Complete Live in Stuttgart 1963 (Grade) voters - The Complete Copenhagen 1963 Concert (Grade) voters - The Unissued Seattle Broadcast (Grade) voters - Live At The Showboat, Philadelphia, June 17, 1963 (Grade) voters - More Live At The Showboat 1963 (Grade) voters - Far Train (Birdland 1962/1963) (Grade) voters - The 1962 Milan Concert (Grade) voters -The 1962 Graz Concert (Grade) voters - Live in Denmark 1962 (Grade) voters - Stockholm 62 The Complete Concerts (Grade) voters - With Eric Dolphy (Complete 1962 Birdland Broadcasts) (Grade) voters - European Tour 1961 (contains almost all European records 1961, not the Pablo edition) (Grade) voters - Complete Live At The Sutherland Lounge 1961 (Grade) voters - The 1961 Newport Set (Grade) voters - Live At The Jazz Gallery 1960 (Grade) voters - Last Performance At Newport 1966 (3,00) 1 voters - Live in Comblain-La-Tour 1965 (Grade) voters - Live in Paris (1965) (Grade) voters - Antibes/Baden Baden/San Francisco (Grade) voters - Complete Live in Stuttgart 1963 (Grade) voters - The Complete Copenhagen 1963 Concert (Grade) voters - The Unissued Seattle Broadcast (1,00) 1 voters - Live At The Showboat, Philadelphia, June 17, 1963 (Grade) voters - More Live At The Showboat 1963 (Grade) voters - Far Train (Birdland 1962/1963) (Grade) voters - The 1962 Milan Concert (Grade) voters -The 1962 Graz Concert (Grade) voters - Live in Denmark 1962 (Grade) voters - Stockholm 62 The Complete Concerts (Grade) voters - With Eric Dolphy (Complete 1962 Birdland Broadcasts) (Grade) voters - European Tour 1961 (contains almost all European records 1961, not the Pablo edition) (Grade) voters - Complete Live At The Sutherland Lounge 1961 (Grade) voters - The 1961 Newport Set (Grade) voters - Live At The Jazz Gallery 1960 (Grade) voters

Shame on me. Indeed Susie Ibarra

No it really is a 2016 version: https://www.discogs.com/Archie-Shepp-The-Magic-Of-Ju-Ju/release/9087523

We got a Sonny Rollins straat (street) in the city of Utrecht. It’s next to Miles Davis straat, a few blocks away from Lester Young pad (path) and also not far from Ella Fitzgerald plein (square). Never been there but that is one groovy neighborhood

Haha I really disagree with you. Maybe we compare in a different way. Sure they do not differ in the way that, say Louis Armstrong and Roy Campbell do. After all Trane blows what people call free jazz and so does David S. Ware. So they build on the same concept. But the bands and the music itself is very different from each other. Trane uses more melodics and changes than Ware and his overblowing is different. Tyner is a completely different pianist than Shipp. Tyner is more based in the tradition, has got a different pulse and uses more changes and blues scales. Shipp uses more clusters, creating a wall of sound like Cecil Taylor or Bobby Few. I personally think Parker is more out there than Garrison, Garrison sounds more thoughtful using Arabic music as an inspiration, while Parker uses more expression. And Elvin Jones and Guillermo Brown could not differ more from each other. Elvin Jones keeps a tight rhythm and strong pulse, while Brown floats more on the music itself. So the influence is there but they are not two of the same kind. For me the same as you: I regard both of the groups as fantastic jazz quartets. And Sun Ship is my all time favorite jazz album.

I don’t know very much about the Emarcy label but Clifford Brown’s recordings are legendary of course. Also, my favorite recordings by Chet Baker are on Emarcy. His sessions ‘In Paris’ are so incredibly beautiful and I enjoy those more than much of his more popular recordings. The boxed set to me has too much alternates, false starts etc. so I bought the 4 volumes on cd instead. And that is some beautiful music!

Definitly. Of course Ware is influenced by Coltrane, but almost every modern sax tenor player is to some degree. I do not see that as something negative. More important to me is that the saxophonist himself is creative and original, and Ware certainly is. His masterpiece on DIW ‘Godspelized’ is such another cup of tea than let’s say: ‘Sun Ship’ by Coltrane. The quartet with Shipp has such another sound, than Coltrane’s. A comparison to Frank Wrights ‘Unity’ Quartet with Bobby Few is more likely to me. But why should we compare anyway... in my opinion all these artists are unique and wonderful in their own right and I enjoy them all.

I got the 2016 SHM release of ‘The Magic of Ju-Ju’. I must say that I haven’t heard other versions to compare, but the sound quality is absolutely amazing. It is like Shepp is standing there playing in my room.

Personally, I don’t like people that always categorize and think in boxes in a negative kind of way. On this forums, I see mainly people that just love music and talk about it. On other forums, in Dutch mainly you are supposed to pick a side. Side one: everything that smells of freejazz and was made after 1960 is semi-intellectual nonsense by musicians that cannot play a single right note. Jazz is something that was made before 1960 and is played only by musicians that run over the same scales again and again. I think that this is the side that mr. Marsalis feel most comfortambly in. Side two: the only interesting jazz was made after 1960 by musicians that play freejazz. Everything before is outdated and not interesting anymore. I don’t fit in these two sides and I do not want to. I have always hated people like Marsalis and Stanley Crouch, because of their segreationist views on ‘what is jazz’ and ‘what is not jazz’. And I must say that it has made me prejudiced about Marsalis’ music: I still don’t feel like listening to it, while he probably has made some nice records. Shame on me for that. I don’t like narrow mindness on music that itself is so free and creative. It baffles me to read Bob Weinstocks words on the late Coltrane in ‘Fearless Leader’ liner notes. According to Weinstock John lost his way after ‘A Love Supreme’... Unbelievable. Anyway to me jazz is Louis Armstrong but also Cecil Taylor. It is Prez and it is also David S. Ware. It is Jelly Roll but also Anouar Brahem. It is a creative force: some things I like, and others I don’t.

To me a genius is original, skillfull and creative. I mainly like ‘original’ voices in jazz, people that differ themselves from the rest. There are people that I dig and also people that I do not dig, but still consider a genius. I personally don’t dig Lennie Tristano, Anthony Braxton and Lee Konitz. But I do consider them to be genius. I appreciate what they have meant/still mean to jazz and I can see what they are doing but I just don’t feel it. Geniuses that I do feel: Hawk, Bird, Lady Day, John Coltrane, Mal Waldron, Monk, Archie Shepp, Steve Lacy, McCoy Tyner, Dollar Brand, Kidd Jordan. And of course much more...

Sound quality is not superb. So not like ‘Live at The Village Vanguard Again’. It has always run as a bootleg but I must say that Resonance has done a fine job. It is very listenable contrary to bootlegs like the 1966 Newport bootleg or the Unissued Seattle performance. It is a must have!

Evan Parker's Snake Decides took awhile. Then one evening in the dark with only headphones it clicked... It clicked and became one of my favorites. But I still wouldn't listen it trough my speakers, headphones only

Thanks for the information webbcity!

RIP mister Byrd. Listening to Free Form again

Glad he is still with us. Wonderful trombonist. His playing is marvelous on Reggie Workmans Summit Conference. Hope he gets better soon!

I'm glad I found this forum. It's fantastic to hear these kind of stories. People on this forum that have met and seen the musicians I love. I must confess: I'm very jealous of you all I was born in 1990 in The Netherlands, so most of the legends I like passed away before I even walked this earth. And most of the legends live overseas. I would almost buy me a ticket to New York to meet Kalaparusha, just to talk with him. In an environment like this in Holland, you got the feeling that all the import things in jazz happen(ed) elsewhere and in another time. Though i'm still proud to say that I have seen Sonny Rollins, Archie Shepp, Pharoah Sanders, David Murray, Charles Gayle, Cecil Taylor, Rashied Ali, Peter Brotzmann, Hamid Drake to name a few

I found this beautiful documentary about this saxophonist, who always has been a bit underrated. Now he plays in the subway. Does anyone know if the introducing solo piece is ever issued on cd? If the video does not work you probably have to switch to the other media player on the website. The button is in the right under the video. Worth watching! Maybe some thoughts on this saxophonist?

In Holland, most big record stores go into bankruptcy. We had only one jazz record store in Amsterdam, called the Blue Note. That shop went down a few years ago. Then there are big stores who have a very limited stock of jazz records. There is for me only one really nice store left: Concerto in Amsterdam.

When were talking about studio recordings I'd say: John Coltrane's Ascension: 40 minutes Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity 37 minutes Archie Shepp - Black Gipsy 23 minutes Part II Obsession: Gato Barbieri 20 minutes

She was indeed a wonderful singer Dark beautiful tone, always in tune and an innovator. I love her works with Mal Waldron.

Thanks I will! With some info I can probably create a Wiki bio and a bio on other websites.

I don't know what to say. That would be wonderful. Many, many thanks!

The world experience orchestra was on ebay. Made up to 1500 dollars I believe. Incredible!