king ubu

got that CD from brownie once - pretty good indeed

That link leads to a "page not available" thingie ... care to quote if you can access it? German Wiki offers July 7 as date of death, linking this as source: http://obituaries.braggfuneralhome.com/mr-francis-frankie-dunlop-obituary/ I just clicked on it and it went right to Nasar's Facebook page. He's a great drummer, also. Weird, I get nowhere still, just that error page ("This content is currently unavailable"). Playing some Monk w/Dunlop right now ... love this! When I first hear this stuff (most notably "Monk's Dream"), it immediately dawned on me that the Columbia Monk naysayers might have some things wrong. Okay, the routine and all - but as long as Dunlop was behind the kit, there was always enough going on for me! (edited for crappy typing)

Well no, if you stick to one recording, it's one interpretation you can learn to love and understand.

Thanks for clarifying. I've not played her debut for a long time, but I found it likeable enough ... warm sound, nice voice ... but ultimately also the kind of music that's not hurting anyone. Will get an earful of this trio. I stumbled over the cover (or maybe even that photo w/hats, I dimly remember something like that), but didn't even notice NoJo was on it. Also, Monk's phrasing was of course spot on most of the time ... apples and oranges (and different leagues, too, I'd assume).

Not even sure I ever heard her doing jazz ... what would that have been? Do you include the first album as "jazz"?

Can't buy this one then, as I can't compare each work it contains with seventeen other versions.

That link leads to a "page not available" thingie ... care to quote if you can access it? German Wiki offers July 7 as date of death, linking this as source: http://obituaries.braggfuneralhome.com/mr-francis-frankie-dunlop-obituary/

Jazz on Vogue - The Perfect Collection - € 17.99 @ amazon.fr

Brubeck Columbia Studio Albums - €27.99 @ amazon.fr

My favourite Monk drummer, too! Maybe David can disclose his source?

Funny - but yeah, sure Hendrix knew better from his early days. I don't care much what someone's wearing when the entire picture fits. Randy Weston in wide African clothes can look as nice as someone who knows how to wear a suit. And no, all those smartass conservative young jazzers wearing them don't necessarily make a better impression on me than ... oh, wait, poor Tony Malaby Seriouslsy, it's the whole that counts. Also, that "suit as sign of male power" thing* can and pretty often does give the creeps - and sometimes the urge to not stick my shirt into the trousers - *) weapons are even worse of course, I loathe metaphorical usage of war expressions - though they've crept so far into daily language usage, it's really hard to omit them

http://www.nola.com/music/index.ssf/2014/07/idris_muhammad_legendary_new_o.html this is one I always loved very much:

today, some of this: and late last night, I cracked this one open: discs 1 and 2 so far, guess I'll continue with it in the next days/weeks

Sad news indeed! Caught him live but once, back when Ahmad Jamal toured with his trio (Idris and Cammack) and George Coleman - great night that I'll always remember fondly!

Oh, wow, look, I'm really not picking a fight - I'm a newbie and I do try to articulate my likes and dislikes on music every now and then (but more so on other than this board, after all it IS difficult to talk about music, even more so in a language that isn't my own). I did indeed read that thread and I know there's *more*, but there's little specific on Perahia, and that's all i was asking about, really. So that's that and I'm outta this discussion again, I guess ...

Okay, now I feel asinine for insisting - I've obviously read that thread ... if all there is is Perahia is too soft and sweetening and stuff, well, that's it.

Art liked the sensation of the fabric rubbing his nipples.

for the turd, blame the CD reissue producers (who destroyed many a glossy Pablo cover with their silly colouration):

Have that Ermitage on order ... scratched used copy, but that was the only one going at a good price I could find - hope it works out and will be playable - but anyways, thanks Jeff!

HMV has contents for discs 1-6: CD 1 Bach - Violin concerto (Stern), Violin and oboe concerto (Stern, Gomberg) Vivaldi - Piccolo concerto (Heim) Bach - "Piano" concerto no 1 (Gould) CD 2 Barber - Violin concerto (Stern) Bartok - Concerto for orchestra CD 3 Bartok - Piano concertos 2 and 3 (Entremont) CD 4 Bartok - Violin concerto 2 (Stern) Bartok - "Orchestral percussion and two pianos" with Saul Goodman on timpani CD 5 Berg - Violin concerto (Stern) Bartok - Rhapsodies (ditto) CD 6 Beethoven - Piano concerto 1 (Bernstein) Beethoven - Piano concerto 2 (Gould) http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Bernstein-1918-90_000000000034572/item_Leonard-Bernstein-Edition-concertos-Orch-works-Recordings-Ltd_5850277

Ubu, it is clear that Moms has very strong opinions which is fine. He does not like Perahia's Mozart Concertos. To say they suck is, ridiculous. The Mozart concertos are among my classical music favorites. I have versions of the concertos by a variety of pianists. There is no one "correct" way to play these pieces, and I personally enjoy hearing them played by Perahia, Serkin, Casadesus, Curzon, Brendel, Fleisher, Rubinstein, and quite a few others. Each pianist brings something of themselves to the music, and hearing a variety of interpretations is, for me, an enriching experience. So, in my opinion, Moms is simply wrong, though reading his posts can be very interesting. FWIW, a representative anti-Perahia comment from the rec. music.classical.recordings list, where anti-Periaha feelings tend to run high: "If you want pretty, soft-grained, dresden-china mozart, then Perahia's your man. Personally I like a little more testosterone in my Mozart than Perahia's willing to provide." Such folks can't stand Uchida either, for similar reasons. Perhaps a jazz illustration might fit with this discussion. I can enjoy the more delicate alto playing of Paul Desmond, and the higher testosterone playing of Jackie McLean. Liking one does not mean what may not like the other. Yup, I can see all that ... and many times I'm in that boat, too - I mean I enjoy Haskil playing Mozart as much as I do Bilson (and several of those on your list, Peter!). I'd just like Moms to use a word or two more to describe/specify his opinion! Oh well, "dogma" may be a bit of a strong word, but then let me add ideology Seriously now, the general concept of "latest is best" is foreign to me, at least in the absoluteness you stated it (granted in short manner, I don't think we necessarily are in disagreement here). It's just that with "Mozart" not being available (except maybe as an idea in somebody's head), I find the many ways of articulating, expressing, interpreting, translating, perusing, abusing Mozart and the way all of this evolved a most interesting thing to glance at (if not to study, I'm nowhere near as deeply into any of this yet that I could pretend doing that). So there might indeed be ways of judging "validity" (Bigshot uses another word: "proper") - and there is of course no going back behind knowledge gained and available (if that is "progress", so be it - but don't forget the knowledge lost at the same time). And of course I don't want to foster a "anything goes" approach at all - it's just that I'm intrigued by how things develop, how one thing morphs into another ... and when and why this takes place. And that, of course, prevents me from ever taking the "in HIP I always need the lastest version"-route. Obviously I'm not saying that position is wrong or anything, neither that you're alone - it's just not mine.

"Blues all'alba" from Antonioni's "La notte" - first time I heard anything by/about Gaslini ... his fabulous Monk album was the first CD I bought, not that much later.

Sad news - but what a rich musical life! Grazie per tutto, Giorgio!

So, the point is maybe: what can stand the test of time? What's just some quirk, some dead end that was explored in a certain period? And what remains valid on its own merits, no matter how "dated" it may be? And then: isn't it often a lot of fun of it own to explore some of those dead-ends? I guess a lot of it boils down to the way you approach things - do you look for music relevant to your life at this point in time? Or do you approach it all as a historically grown entity of some sorts and are interested in discovering - sometimes unveiling - the roots of some parts of it?

Not sure ... I'm always cautious about these kinds of "progress" dogmatics - each and every reading, recording, interpretation has to be seen in light of its time and knowledge of sources etc. (and of course that includes denial of knowledge and such, too) - and this again applies as much to Stokowski or Furtwängler or ol' Klemp as it does to the self-proclaimed beginning and end of HIP (NH) or any other, more modest artist. Obviously some stuff gets old and unlistenable, but what might indeed differ from person to person. Some here like to make fun of me because I love listening to older recordings a lot of the time ... to my ears they are new, I didn't know them before and I want to know. Other things (and I think this SEON box might well be one of those) aren't of much interest to me on the other hand. I guess it all boils down to taste and preference, as so often - and of course some are better in making or defending their points than others, but that doesn't necessarily make it more a valid stance. However of course, lots can be learned and absorbed (by way of listening and re-listening with new ears or rather: an other or expanced mindset) from discussions on such topics (but I still lack the answer from Moms why Perahia's Mozart concertos suck - still want to know!)