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My favourite Monk drummer, too! Maybe David can disclose his source?

Funny - but yeah, sure Hendrix knew better from his early days. I don't care much what someone's wearing when the entire picture fits. Randy Weston in wide African clothes can look as nice as someone who knows how to wear a suit. And no, all those smartass conservative young jazzers wearing them don't necessarily make a better impression on me than ... oh, wait, poor Tony Malaby Seriouslsy, it's the whole that counts. Also, that "suit as sign of male power" thing* can and pretty often does give the creeps - and sometimes the urge to not stick my shirt into the trousers - *) weapons are even worse of course, I loathe metaphorical usage of war expressions - though they've crept so far into daily language usage, it's really hard to omit them

http://www.nola.com/music/index.ssf/2014/07/idris_muhammad_legendary_new_o.html this is one I always loved very much:

today, some of this: and late last night, I cracked this one open: discs 1 and 2 so far, guess I'll continue with it in the next days/weeks

Sad news indeed! Caught him live but once, back when Ahmad Jamal toured with his trio (Idris and Cammack) and George Coleman - great night that I'll always remember fondly!

Oh, wow, look, I'm really not picking a fight - I'm a newbie and I do try to articulate my likes and dislikes on music every now and then (but more so on other than this board, after all it IS difficult to talk about music, even more so in a language that isn't my own). I did indeed read that thread and I know there's *more*, but there's little specific on Perahia, and that's all i was asking about, really. So that's that and I'm outta this discussion again, I guess ...

Okay, now I feel asinine for insisting - I've obviously read that thread ... if all there is is Perahia is too soft and sweetening and stuff, well, that's it.

Art liked the sensation of the fabric rubbing his nipples.

for the turd, blame the CD reissue producers (who destroyed many a glossy Pablo cover with their silly colouration):

Have that Ermitage on order ... scratched used copy, but that was the only one going at a good price I could find - hope it works out and will be playable - but anyways, thanks Jeff!

HMV has contents for discs 1-6: CD 1 Bach - Violin concerto (Stern), Violin and oboe concerto (Stern, Gomberg) Vivaldi - Piccolo concerto (Heim) Bach - "Piano" concerto no 1 (Gould) CD 2 Barber - Violin concerto (Stern) Bartok - Concerto for orchestra CD 3 Bartok - Piano concertos 2 and 3 (Entremont) CD 4 Bartok - Violin concerto 2 (Stern) Bartok - "Orchestral percussion and two pianos" with Saul Goodman on timpani CD 5 Berg - Violin concerto (Stern) Bartok - Rhapsodies (ditto) CD 6 Beethoven - Piano concerto 1 (Bernstein) Beethoven - Piano concerto 2 (Gould) http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Bernstein-1918-90_000000000034572/item_Leonard-Bernstein-Edition-concertos-Orch-works-Recordings-Ltd_5850277

Ubu, it is clear that Moms has very strong opinions which is fine. He does not like Perahia's Mozart Concertos. To say they suck is, ridiculous. The Mozart concertos are among my classical music favorites. I have versions of the concertos by a variety of pianists. There is no one "correct" way to play these pieces, and I personally enjoy hearing them played by Perahia, Serkin, Casadesus, Curzon, Brendel, Fleisher, Rubinstein, and quite a few others. Each pianist brings something of themselves to the music, and hearing a variety of interpretations is, for me, an enriching experience. So, in my opinion, Moms is simply wrong, though reading his posts can be very interesting. FWIW, a representative anti-Perahia comment from the rec. music.classical.recordings list, where anti-Periaha feelings tend to run high: "If you want pretty, soft-grained, dresden-china mozart, then Perahia's your man. Personally I like a little more testosterone in my Mozart than Perahia's willing to provide." Such folks can't stand Uchida either, for similar reasons. Perhaps a jazz illustration might fit with this discussion. I can enjoy the more delicate alto playing of Paul Desmond, and the higher testosterone playing of Jackie McLean. Liking one does not mean what may not like the other. Yup, I can see all that ... and many times I'm in that boat, too - I mean I enjoy Haskil playing Mozart as much as I do Bilson (and several of those on your list, Peter!). I'd just like Moms to use a word or two more to describe/specify his opinion! Oh well, "dogma" may be a bit of a strong word, but then let me add ideology Seriously now, the general concept of "latest is best" is foreign to me, at least in the absoluteness you stated it (granted in short manner, I don't think we necessarily are in disagreement here). It's just that with "Mozart" not being available (except maybe as an idea in somebody's head), I find the many ways of articulating, expressing, interpreting, translating, perusing, abusing Mozart and the way all of this evolved a most interesting thing to glance at (if not to study, I'm nowhere near as deeply into any of this yet that I could pretend doing that). So there might indeed be ways of judging "validity" (Bigshot uses another word: "proper") - and there is of course no going back behind knowledge gained and available (if that is "progress", so be it - but don't forget the knowledge lost at the same time). And of course I don't want to foster a "anything goes" approach at all - it's just that I'm intrigued by how things develop, how one thing morphs into another ... and when and why this takes place. And that, of course, prevents me from ever taking the "in HIP I always need the lastest version"-route. Obviously I'm not saying that position is wrong or anything, neither that you're alone - it's just not mine.

"Blues all'alba" from Antonioni's "La notte" - first time I heard anything by/about Gaslini ... his fabulous Monk album was the first CD I bought, not that much later.

Sad news - but what a rich musical life! Grazie per tutto, Giorgio!

So, the point is maybe: what can stand the test of time? What's just some quirk, some dead end that was explored in a certain period? And what remains valid on its own merits, no matter how "dated" it may be? And then: isn't it often a lot of fun of it own to explore some of those dead-ends? I guess a lot of it boils down to the way you approach things - do you look for music relevant to your life at this point in time? Or do you approach it all as a historically grown entity of some sorts and are interested in discovering - sometimes unveiling - the roots of some parts of it?

Not sure ... I'm always cautious about these kinds of "progress" dogmatics - each and every reading, recording, interpretation has to be seen in light of its time and knowledge of sources etc. (and of course that includes denial of knowledge and such, too) - and this again applies as much to Stokowski or Furtwängler or ol' Klemp as it does to the self-proclaimed beginning and end of HIP (NH) or any other, more modest artist. Obviously some stuff gets old and unlistenable, but what might indeed differ from person to person. Some here like to make fun of me because I love listening to older recordings a lot of the time ... to my ears they are new, I didn't know them before and I want to know. Other things (and I think this SEON box might well be one of those) aren't of much interest to me on the other hand. I guess it all boils down to taste and preference, as so often - and of course some are better in making or defending their points than others, but that doesn't necessarily make it more a valid stance. However of course, lots can be learned and absorbed (by way of listening and re-listening with new ears or rather: an other or expanced mindset) from discussions on such topics (but I still lack the answer from Moms why Perahia's Mozart concertos suck - still want to know!)

just checked my own files ... haven't started exploring it, but he's on several compositions on this: 50 Jahre Neue Musik in Darmstadt - Internationale Ferienkurse für Neue Musik 1946–1996 (4 CD, col legno) few copies around, it seems: http://www.amazon.de/50-Jahre-Neue-Musik-Darmstadt/dp/B000024ST8 full details: http://www.internationales-musikinstitut.de/media/com_form2content/documents/c1/a442/f14/Darmstadt1996.pdf

there are some easy-to-get things, which I don't know though: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Boccherini-Various/dp/B00000416O/ http://www.amazon.de/Complete-Flute-Concertos-Severino-Gazzelloni/dp/B0000041F2/ prob. same stuff on these two (didn't try to figure out): http://www.amazon.com/Flötenkonzerte-Gazzelloni-Severino/dp/B00004TB17/ http://www.amazon.com/Vivaldi-Flute-Concertos-Antonio/dp/9051861087/ probably not the kind of repertoire you imagined ... he seems also to be present on this: http://www.amazon.com/Bach-Brandenburg-Concerti-Johann-Sebastian/dp/B000004164/ also this: http://www.amazon.com/Flute-Concerto-D-Handel/dp/B00008ESIJ/ but this here might be interesting: http://www.amazon.com/Grande-Aulodia-Severino-Gazzelloni/dp/B002AG2NL6/ or this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gro%C3%9Fe-Interpreten-neuer-Musik-Schallplatte/dp/B0041OMJIM there's also a disc with music by Nino Rota: http://www.amazon.com/Severino-Gazzelloni-Plays-Nino-Rota/dp/B00000IK7Y/

Definitely! Doesn't mean that Jasmine etc can't also be of a high standard... and i do really enjoy Jasmine, but it definitely, definitely, definitely isn't Jarrett and Haden circa 1974... and yes, why should it be, and yes, that is not necessarilly a bad thing, but yeah, anyone who doesn't like recent Jarrett but is getting caught up in the moment and rushing out to buy Jasmine should be fairly forewarned. If you don't like recent Jarrett, don't expect miracles, that's all i'm saying. It's good for what it is (and I'll eventually buy the second helping, too, I'm sure) - but for anyone not buying p/b duos, there's other ones by Haden they ought to look into (the ones w/Hank Jones, Chris Anderson, Hamp Hawes for starters) before I'd even mention the ones w/Jarrett.

'cept Haden made a whole run of better duo albums with other pianists.

If you use this what size do you choose? (It suggests 640X480 for message boards.) Doesn't matter much, as the software often seems to smallen them or adjust them to display/window size. Those are external links (the image remains on amazon or allmusic or the blog you found it on, or alternatively in your account on one of those image hosting sites, if you decide to open one). For the forum, such linked to images are less of a burden than using the attachment/thumbnail function (which places the file on the server). However, even in our times of high speed and flat rate internet, having many huge (that would be quite some more than 640 x 480 though!) images might take a moment to load on the board members' computers when opening such a thread. Still, I'd not use the attachment function much.

Conny is colloquial/short for Conrad/Konrad, I assume (might also go for different names, such as Cornelius or whatever ...) - seems he was a "Schlager" composer, also wrote stuff for movies and for TV ... here are two samples of other tunes composed by him: http://m.unippm.cn/Browse/Labels/CD%20Listing/CD%20Details/Track%20Details.aspx?cdId=10145&wId=777219 http://m.unippm.cn/Browse/Labels/CD%20Listing/CD%20Details/Track%20Details.aspx?cdId=10145&wId=777220 So I guess this was an old tune these dudes enjoyed re-arranging for their purposes ...

You can also directly attach a file to a post - click on "more reply options" and on the bottom you'll find "choose file" - maximum size is 100KB, so images need to be resized, which is why going through one of those image hosting pages (I use photobucket) makes more sense.

No, Avids aren't boots - not in the UK and not in Europe (and I assume most of the rest of the worlds). Boots they are when imported to the US And yes, Real Gone has all kinds of bad reputations due to defective/unrippable tracks, MP3 sources etc. Never heard such a thing about Avid. I wouldn't say I'm "very happy" with 'em, but they have some quirky kind of do it yourself charm which stands quite nicely opposite to those professionally looking releases coming out of Spain, with their snazzy layouts and liner notes that are all pretension way too often (and yeah, I guess I do need to exclude Fresh Sound there, they ARE better, no matter what your stance on "boot" or not "boot" or whatever).

care to elaborate? I like those albums, all of 'em, and I agree that the ragbag one is the weakest of the five. As for Avid, it has always been my impression that they were somewhat more honest than your regular european PD mining label, as I thought they actually did their own vinyl transfers. But I don't really know more ... don't have all that many of their sets and rarely play the ones I do have.