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I really can't vote on this one!
Booker is one of my favorite tenor players of any era, yet Handy, and also Shafi Hadi are great.
Then, Clifford Jordan is great on the '64 tour!
I have none of the Bobby Jones records with Mingus, but his trio record on Enja with George Mraz and the GREAT Freddie Waits is BAAAD!
Adams, I don't like him too much, well, I like him, but he's no match for the other four, in my opinion.
McLean I would not really consider a Mingus alumni. He turns in some good work on Pithecantropus (as does JR Monterose, by the way), and on Blues & Roots, though.
While typing this, I decide I can vote: and it's gotta be Hadi for me, too!
I love him on Tijuana, East Coasting, some of the Columbia stuff... (by the way, Clarence/Gene Shaw would be my favorite Mingus trumpet player! - the year of 57 was a great one for Mingus!).
ubu
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One of our biggest strengths here on this board is the fact that we are close knit and know each other very well.
We have the freedom to tease each other as well as compliment each other without sounding maudlin.
This is all wonderful.
However...
Don't let it also be our weakness. We have to keep open doors to new members with new thoughts and personalities and ideas.
Imagine what it must be like for a new member to enter our halls...they see a very tight community and they might not feel that they belong. They might also feel inhibited about expressing their personalies and ideas, especially if it might run counter to the prevailing Zeitgeist.
We should welcome everybody.
The world works that way. If someone gets out of line then they can be jumped (and they most likely will,) but I don't want an antiseptic and narrowminded world. I'd much prefer to be banished to poster hell than stay in a hypocritical and narrowminded bulletin board. We aren't that way now; let's not strive to be so.
Peace.
Very well put Conn!
I had some problems in the beginning here, too! But it's really full of very nice people around here, so that's not a great issue! Just needs some time.
The reason I took some time is that I was quite new to the BNBB when it went down, far from being online daily, then, rather more of a lurker. Then here, everybody seemed to know each other, so I needed some time to feel at home here (but I really do feel at home, now!)
Keep it comin'
ubu
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I would like to do one, but several factors have to come together first...
- I gotta buy a CD-burn facility
- I gotta have lots of spare time
- I gotta save some money to buy blanks and come up with at least some of the postage money
- and I gotta hunt down some good fun stuff you all sure won't recognize
Maybe somewhen after the middle of next year? Just keep me in mind. I did talk up, but I'm not able to give a date right now.
ubu
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How about this one?
ubu
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juck, deus!
up with some kings! the king decided it was time for some more nice small talk on kings....
Bev, up with my question on the Peter Burke book on Louis XIV! (See my post a little bit further above, before my unforgiveable society talk digression...)
ubu
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Amazing stuff! Congratulations!!
(I once had to run to catch the bus so I too know of the loneliness of the long distance runner.
) That fits me well, too!
Congratulations, Peter!
(I did some sports when I was young - well, I still consider myself young, but... somehow the "no sports" thing is the only common denominator to be found between Mr Churchill and the humble king...)
ubu
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The Story of Blue Note: "The wierdest session was when some stranger suddenly appeared in Rudy's living room, then keeled over with a big silly grin on his face! It freaked everybody out."
This almost made me burst laughing (but HELL I'm at work and nobody should know I'm on this board...)
How 'bout: right after take 3 of "Un Poco Loco", or "Glass Enclosures"? "Parisian Thoroughfare"?
or:
Dolphy's Out To Lunch
Tony Williams, Lifetime
Or the christmas eve session with Miles, Monk & Bags...
ubu
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There are a couple more reunions of Billie Holiday with the Basie crew.
One was the making of several soundies in August 1950 which produced two Lady Day appearances with the Count Basie sextet (Clark Terry, Buddy de Franco, Wardell Gray, Basie, Freddie Green, Jimmy Lewis and Gus Johnson). She sang 'God Bless the Child' and 'Now, Baby, Or Never'.
The soundies are notorious because the distributors did not want to have films with an integrated orchestra and Buddy de Franco was replaced by Marshall Royal for the visuals.
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These soundies recordings were recently reissued on a nice Sagajazz CD I just picked up and posted about here.
This is the session info:
Then I just picked up "Count Basie Septet & Octet - On Film & Live". This has the following tracks:
Hollywood, late August 1950: Clark Terry - t, Buddy DeFranco - cl, Wardell Gray - ts, Basie - p, Freddie Green - g, Jimmy Lewis - b, Gus Johnson - d, Billie Holiday - voc (-1)
GOD BLESS THE CHILD (-1)
NOW, BABY, OR NEVER (-1)
FELANGES
ONE O'CLOCK JUMP
Universal film shots, directed by Will Cowan.
brownie, in the liners of this CD, they state that by the time the films for these soundies were made, Royal had replaced DeFranco. The music was usually (again according to the liner notes of the Saga CD) recorded some time before the soundies were shot, and for the soundies, they just used the tapes, so the musicians appearing on the screen represent a different stage of the Basie septet, and have, in fact nothing to do directly with what is heard on the film. Seems this was the usual way to do it: two different "sessions".
Royal's playing on the Saga disc, by the way, strikes me as very good, upon first listening to it!
ubu
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Bringing this thread back up because no one's mentioned WORKS FOR ME yet. I recently checked this out (after discovering Billy Higgins is on it), and I have to say that--me not being all that familiar with Sco's music--this sucker blew me away!!! Higgins is awesome, of course, but the rest of that band: this is my first real exposure not only to Sco, but also Brad Mehldau as well!
(Edit: after further searching, I discovered that not a lot of people liked this record. Wonder why? It wouldn't be the first time I'm in the minority where music is concerned, but I really dug this album!)
I will have to give this yet another chance. After hearing ScoLoHoFo, maybe.
I'll report back...
ubu
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Following up on Walker's comment above, I just noticed on Sco's website that the trio (w/Swallow & Stewart) are appearing Dec 9-14 at the Blue Note, and that they will be making a live recording set for release in May 04. Schmokin!
Also on the tour front, he'll be at the same place in a duo setting with Charlie Haden on Jan 22/23, for anyone interested (Haden's apparently doing some guitar duet thing there that week - w/Bill Frisell on 20/21st, and with Jim Hall on 24/25th).
I have heard several broadcasts by the Sco/Swallow/Stewart band, and HELL, FINALLY they make an album! This migth be my favorite Sco line up. Not a festival thing, but a truly smokin' trio! Swallow's my favorite electric bass player of recent years, he has such a cool sound, and his playing is totally melodic. Stewart is one of the best drummers around, in my opinion.
I recently found both the Blue Note album with Frisell and ScoLoHoFo for very reasonable prizes in some sales bin. Only had a chance to play some of ScoLoHoFo, and I did really love what I heard. Beautifully recorded, beautiful booklet, all slightly retro, but I like it very much. And that story about the recording in Downbeat some months ago was very nice, too.
ubu
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recent acquisitions (last two weeks, I know it's far too much, but, hey, look at the prizes):
15 CHF (11$/10EUR)
Weather Report - Tale Spinnin'
WR - Mysterious Traveller
WR - Black Market
Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay
FH - Straight Life
Miles Davis - On the Corner
Hill - Passing Ships (copy protected)
Young - Mother Ship (cc)
10 CHF (7$)
Jarrett - Standards Vol. 1
Jarrett - The Cure
Peacock - Tales of Another
Crispell - Amaryllis
Blue Mitchell - The Cup Bearers
Claudio Pontiggia - Espoir (see more on him http://www.altrisuoni.com/artist.php?id=43 (He's a great french horn player!)
second hand (7-12 CHF):
Kenny Garrett - Black Hope
Dave Holland - Not for Nothin'
Koch-Schütz-Studer - Heavy Cairo Traffic
Bob Brookmeyer - the Dual Role of
Max Roach - Deeds Not Words
Hal Russell - Hal's Bells
Full prize recent acquisitions:
Don Cherry - the Sonet recordings
Jimmy Lyons - Jump Up (hat)
Christian McBride - Gettin to it (? - his debut)
and I sure fogot some... and sure my jazz money for december is up and over already...
ubu
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Hey, somehow this thread escaped me until now!
Shrdlu: which of the ones with Coltrane? The quartet one or Monk's Music or both?
I got my box (actually no box and no booklet, either) from zweitausendeins.de. I have almost all of the single OJCs, and I am on the point of starting to sell them...
The music is glorious, of course. I don't believe it's Monk's greatest period, it's not "better" than the Prestige, Columbia or the Blue Note stuff, but Monk gets to play with musicians with whom he did not play before or later.
ubu
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Theres no way i'd let my wife anywhere near the Mosaic site - she'd find out how much they REALLY cost.
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Eldridge. From me, to me.
Same here, not Eldridge, but probably the Atlantic set.
I stopped getting the new ones right after their release. Rather I'm trying to pick up those that go OOP before they go...
How do all you folks get all them people give you Mosaics?
If someone knows anybody wanting to fix me up with another Mosaic, that would sure be fine with me...
And hell, it would be too late to order now, anyway. I don't go the airmail way. I once had an order from Trueblue & Mosaic which they "forgot" to send out, and after my inquiries, they sent it, maybe two months after I did order (& pay!), they sent it via airmail, without charging me additionally. I first thought, now that's a nice gesture, but when I opened the package, all CD boxes were broken, ... (not the Mosaics, at least... but I have had some Mosaics delivered with slightly damaged boxes, too.
So this is why I go the sloooooow way (which takes some 6 to 12 weeks...)
ubu
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Although my wife thinks it was a sound decision...
The music is fabulous, by the way!
I have the Porter and Ellington set, and have heard the old edition of the Gershwin, and the Berlin.
Great stuff!
Can someone post what's in the liners/booklet of the box? Is there the usual lavish Verve documentation (as in the Powell or the Evans)?
ubu
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a big
It's not exactly a new one, but I just found it cheap, grabbed it, and enjoy it very very much!
This record features Mark Turner, Ben Street and Nasheet Waits. Wiesendanger is a young swiss pianist, who became quite a mainstay of the post-bop/electric jazz scene here over the last few years (on this record he sticks to the piano).
His first disc for FSNT features all originals (except for After The Rain), and they are very good. Brooding, dark, gorgeous compositions. Clearly the guy has some concept. And Mark Turner fits in perfectly well.
AMG gives it four stars
AMG REVIEW: Swiss pianist Chris Wiesendanger couldn't have chosen more qualified American colleagues for this fine quartet record: Tenor saxophonist Mark Turner, bassist Ben Street, and drummer Nasheet Waits are all well known, and well acquainted, from their work in other groups. The concise program features six understated, harmonically challenging Wiesendanger originals and a short cover of John Coltrane's "After the Rain," all played with elegance and an engaging, unpredictable rapport. The dark-hued "Arriving Tomorrow" and the gloriously hushed, two-part "Shunyata" are among the many highlights.— David R. Adler
Another nice thing is that the disc is less than 50 minutes long. No need to stand some 70+ minutes of concentrated listening, no real hangers.
Turner sounds great. Like a cross between Warne Marsh, Wayne Shorter and Joe Henderson, if that makes sense. He may be one of the most individual stylists among younger tenor saxophonists.
Here you can find an AAJ Review of this album. I do not really see the Miles Quintet allusion, mainly not because Nasheet Waits' playing makes it quite clear that this is no old record.
ubu
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Nutty, I don't have the big set. I decided to pick up the single sets (in their Verve Master Edition incarnations). Some of them do include material not in the box.
Regarding sound, I cannot make any comments. The box however is several years old, while some of the single songbook reissues are fairly recent. Maybe there are some differences or improvements?
ubu
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I have picked up three Sagajazz discs since I posted last.
Milt Jackson, Early MJQ - I don't have it at hand. It has, if I remember correctly, one Prestige date, two DeeGee dates, the Blue Note date with Lou Donaldson (also on the Jackson RVG) and one date for another small label whose name escapes me. A very nice collection. Much of Jackson's playing is very bluesy. Kenny Clarke is on drums (I don't remember if he is on all the quartet sides, or not), so this is Jackson before Connie Kay. While I have not yet (YET stressed) explored anything later by the Modern Jazz Quartet, I love these early sides.
(There is a similar reissue of four of the same dates, and one other, on Definitive, by the way.)
Then I just picked up "Count Basie Septet & Octet - On Film & Live". This has the following tracks:
Hollywood, late August 1950: Clark Terry - t, Buddy DeFranco - cl, Wardell Gray - ts, Basie - p, Freddie Green - g, Jimmy Lewis - b, Gus Johnson - d, Billie Holiday - voc (-1)
GOD BLESS THE CHILD (-1)
NOW, BABY, OR NEVER (-1)
FELANGES
ONE O'CLOCK JUMP
Universal film shots, directed by Wil Cowan.
NYC, prob. October 1950: same personnel, Holiday out, Helen Humes - voc (-1)
ONE O' CLOCK JUMP
BASIE'S CONVERSATION (BASS CONVERSATION)
BASIE BOOGIE
IF I COULD BE WITH YOU (-1)
I CRIED FOR YOU (-1)
Snader Telescriptions (short films)
NYC, poss. December 1950: unidentified - t, Marshall Royal - cl, Gray, Basie, Green, Lewis, Johnson
3:15 A.M. BLUES
DONNA LEE
C JAM BLUES
ROBBINS' NEST
Live recording, unknown broadcast location
NYC, April 20, 1951: Terry, Royal, Gray, Basie, Green, Lewis, Johnson, poss. Symphony Sid - mc
ONE O' CLOCK JUMP
MOVE
BASIE BOOGIE
BLUEBEARD BLUES
ONE O' CLOCK JUMP
(Note: Bluebeard Blues is announced by the MC as Golden Bullet)
Stars on Parade, WNEW Broadcast
Birdland, NYC April 28, 1951: same personnel as April 21, add Buck Clayton - t (-1), omit Sid
JUMPIN' AT THE WOODSIDE
HOW HIGH THE MOON / ORNITHOLOGY
OH, LADY BE GOOD (-1)
BLUEBEARD BLUES (-1)
ONE O' CLOCK JUMP
WNEW Broadcast
This is a very good collection. Some of the tunes (from the live sessions) are quite long. How High The Moon Clock in at 8:42. Wardell Gray is BAAD! And DeFranco, Terry, Royal are not bad either.
It's quite intriguing to hear Basie doing tunes as Move, Ornithology, or Donna Lee.
Check it out!
In the liner notes, another Basie "CD featuring all the other studio recordings of the Count's small groups in 1950-1951" is announced.
So, does this disc above include all live / movie dates by Basie from 50/51?
The other CD I have picked up: Stan Getz "From Long Island to Stockholm". This collects various quartet dates for Prestige and Roost (all available in their complete forms on either some OJCCDs or the fabulous Getz Roost 3CD set released by Blue Note some years ago - one of my very favorite box-sets ever, by the way!). The reason why I bought this lies in the sessions following those quartet dates (none of these is complete on the CD, I think, and I'd not have bought it for that only, actually): There are all (?) eight sides Getz made in Sweden in March 1951:
Stockholm, March 23, 1951: Stan Getz and his Swedish All Stars:
Stan Getz - ts, Bengt Hallberg - p, Gunnar Johnson - b, Jack Noren - d.
ACK VÄRMELAND DU SKÖNA (DEAR OLD STOCKHOLM)
S' COOL BOYS
NIGHT AND DAY
I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR YOU
PRELUDE TO A KISS
I'M GETTING SENTIMENTAL OVER YOU
Stockholm, March 24, 1951: Stan Getz and his Swedish All Stars:
Same personnel, add Lars Gullin - bari, Yngve Akerberg - b, replaces Johnson.
FLAMINGO
DON'T BE AFRAID.
I never saw these Swedish sides on a Getz CD (well, I have not looked for them either...).
Big
for the production of these Sagajazz releases! The team includes people involved also in the Jazz in Paris reissues. Alain Tercinet, for instance selected the tracks for the Getz CD. Remastering seems to be as good as it gets.Cover art is quite nice as well, notes are in French and English, and while they're usually rather short, they contain some rather relevant information.
By the way, both of these discs come from the probably rather recent new batch, numbers 51-60.
You can find the whole listing of the series on the website, sagajazz.com (it includes track listings and years of recording for each track, but no personnel information).
ubu
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Late, thanks for the recommendation. I know I have to pick up several Lacy HatOLOGYs before they go OOP. School Days is on my list!
I was actually referring to the Lacy/Rudd late nineties Verve date being mentioned further above.
ubu
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I highly welcome people like EKE, mmilovan or clifton posting here!
I wish DD would start posting here. I miss his posts about freer styles and European jazz in particular, especially now that he isn't posting much on AAJ anymore.
I did not mention him, because I have invited him to join in here several times, yet he always preferred AAJ for some reasons (good ones, if you ask me).
But I miss his presence, too! After the exile began (seems strange using such words nowadays, as we have found a very warm and nice home...), he was a mainstay over at AAJ.
He seems, however to be not so active anymore on BBs in general.
ubu
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A Ghost Of A Chance (06:19) Jazztone J-1040 (06:26) Jazztone SJS-1238
Dark Eyes (04:56) Jazztone J-723 (04:59) Jazztone SJS-1238
Deep Purple (04:23) Jazztone J-1040
Lionel's Choo Choo* (03:01) Jazztone J-723
Loch Lomond (quartet) (06:00) Jazztone J-1238 (06:00) Jazztone SJS-1238
Look! Four Hands (quartet) (03:41) Jazztone J-1238 (03:41) Jazztone SJS-1238
My Man (quartet) (05:18) Jazztone J-1040 (03:53) Jazztone SJS-1238
Over The Rainbow (11:06) Jazztone J-1238
Raindeer (07:59) Jazztone J-1238 (05:07) Jazztone SJS-1238
Romeo's Gone Now (06:25) Jazztone J-723 (04:10) Jazztone SJS-1238
Summertime (02:39) Jazztone J-1238
Take The „A" Train (quartet) (04:18) Jazztone J-1040
Time For Lyons (quartet) (06:20) Jazztone J-1238 (04:58) Jazztone SJS-1238
Too Much (quartet) (04:55) Jazztone J-1040 (03:49) Jazztone SJS-1238
Undecided (07:02) Jazztone J-1040 (05:19) Jazztone SJS-1238
What's Your Hurry* (03:52) Jazztone J-1238
When You're Smiling (06:48) Jazztone J-1238
The Minidisc I have of these is mono and contains the following:
1. Over The Rainbow (11:06) Jazztone J-1238
2. When You're Smiling (06:48) Jazztone J-1238
3. Time For Lyons (quartet) (06:20) Jazztone J-1238
4. Summertime (02:39) Jazztone J-1238
5. Raindeer (07:59) Jazztone J-1238
6. Look! Four Hands (quartet) (03:41) Jazztone J-1238
7. Loch Lomond (quartet) (06:00) Jazztone J-1238
8. What's Your Hurry* (03:52) Jazztone J-1238
So this seems to be a copy of the Jazztone mono LP, minus several tracks. Was J-1238 one LP? Seems very long for an LP from the mid-fifties! I will check if it's the Jazztone indeed, or rather some european version. I cannot remember what label it was.
ubu
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I've stuck with AAJ because it has attracted more posters who share my interest in non-American jazz than this place. Sadly many of these seem to have backed off in recent weeks.
Yes, it has become rather dull of late...it never seems to have recovered from the breakdown fully. I'm not suggesting everyone needs to rush over there in a rescue bid. Just that those who have found something of value there in the past might like to consider pitching in.
Bev (and Hans) - this was the reason why I found AAJ to be a very good complement to this board. Originally, I felt home over there a little bit more, but today, and this has started some weeks before the hacker attack on AAJ, I feel home and welcome here very much! (Thanks everybody!)
Not to let this develop into a pat on our own shoulder - why not start a little bit more activity here regarding european jazz? I think there are at least some people in here who'd participate, and then some others who would follow the discussion with at least some interest.
I myself have no vast knowledge about european jazz, in fact, the few things I do know are rather more attached to the *usual* american jazz, yet I would certainly welcome a little bit more on non-US music. One advantage here (as regarding the old board) seems to be that it is not necessary to have that rather annoying, and sometimes I feel also discriminating, jazz/not jazz/elements of jazz kind of dicussion.
Re: AAJ, it seems that some of the posters with whom I had exchanges on and off the board are indeed not active anymore, and the place for me seems quite dead.
I highly welcome people like EKE, mmilovan or clifton posting here! Keep it going! Maybe AAJ gets better - let's hope it does! Mike is a nice guy indeed! - and then the two boards migtht again complement each other as they did in the time right after the demise of the old board.
ubu
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I just looked over there and didn't see the threads that seem to be controversial and wasn't interested in looking after a few minutes!
Same here. Was it a political thread?
Same goes for me. Political or whatever.
ubu
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And the Miles tracks are most probably taken from that Robert Herridge (sp?) tv show he did with Gil Evans and the quintet. I have the music of it (on some beat up old cheap LP), and it's GREAT, hell, GREAT!
ubu
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Well, if EKE takes 15, let 16 be for some american, and let me try to fix all my things up for 17, alright?
king ubu for #17!
You'll get a truckload of great unknown stuff from switzerland, among other things... (well, don't be afraid, there's some guys here doing GREAT mainstream/postbop stuff that you might never recognise as being european musicians! Check out my Chris Wiesendanger recommendation in the recs forum.)
ubu