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Ubu, Anthony Ortega is one of those creative musicians that keep getting forgotten. He was playing alto in the 1953 Lionel Hampton band that had Clifford Brown, Art Farmer, Quincy Jones, Jimmy Cleveland, Gigi Gryce, George Wallington aboard for a tour of Europe. Ortega stayed in Norway for a while before returning to the USA where he played on a number of sessions with various musicians including Maynard Ferguson, Jackie and Roy and Gerald Wilson before moving into more experimental jazz in the '80s.
He has appeared in France several times these past few years. Most of his records are unavailable except a couple of recent ones he made in France including 'On Evidence' and 'Neuf'. Both are worth looking for.
Sending you a PM about that Steamboat now that my interest has been aroused.
And final piece of advise, don't waste too much time (and money) on most of these ECM releases. Hatology CDs may cost more money but they are much more rewarding!
Thanks for this info, brownie!
Seems Ortega is a musician worthy to explore!
And I know about the ECM/HatOLOGY business, but there are days I like some ECM stuff...
ubu
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Lon, thanks!
Can you provide a link to the Ellington discs? I think the only way to get them in stores here is to buy the Definitive edition, which I do not intend to do (they're far overpriced here anyway, 3CDs would be around 45$)
Thanks,
ubu
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oh, c'mon! it's slowly but surely time to get them solutions anyway, no?
can't wait to know what some of the tracks really are...
ubu
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Scott, I don't intend to diss the music, and I found the disc surprisingly good, BUT: do you really think this is spirituality? To me, it sounded just very much of its time, and I really would not know if I could describe this music as spriritual.
ubu
What jazzbo (lonson) said.
I listened to it this morning after reading your inquiry, ubu. Maybe not side 1(first two tracks are weird, to me), but side 2 is definitely a spiritual offering, Alice Coltrane style.
I loved it again! Especially with the subwoofer on!
I can feel COSMIC vibrations! 
Yeah, COSMIC MUSIC!...
I got to listen to it sometimes around x-mas again...
ubu
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I always shied away from buying it (which wouldn't be difficult to do here), waiting for a better reissue, but it seems with the Getz/Brookmeyer VME they had the same problem: no additional material might be released... HELL!
osama-bin-whatever, get the fuck out of here!
ubu
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I believe that the transcriptions were studio recordings, which were distributed by the record companies to radio stations, but were not intended for sale. Airchecks were recordings of live performances broadcast on the radio.
uh, so the Navarro/Dameron stuff does not belong here!
Jim, are these Thornhill things still available? I recently bought a cheap Thornhill one disc comp. (Past Perfect) without any specifics given.
I will start a thread on this once I have it with me in front of a working computer, and ask if anyone has more info on that - might be, partially at least, transcriptions.
ubu
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Never heard Ortega before. How's his HatOLOGIES?
Ubu, suggest you look for 'New Dance' which was reissued on Hatology. You're in for a treat!! I have been rediscovering Ortega for years.
Thanks, brownie - that's the one our russian friend (you remember him, don't you?) mentioned as even better, I guess!
Would you be interested in getting a Steamboat CDR, too? Feel free, if you like, there's a couple of them left. Just please pm me your postal address as my notebook is down at the moment.
Do you have any more information on Ortega? I know his name, I know he was in the backing band of a Johnny Hartman Bethlehem album in the fifties, and shows up on some other things I have (all without solo space for horns), and I have seen teh two hatOLOGY albums, but never yet listened to them.
Seems he's a pretty interesting character!
ubu
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Abercrombie/Holland/DeJohnette, Getaway
Adams, Sound Suggestions
AEC, Nice Guys
P.Bley, Open to Love
Burton/Corea, Crystal silence
Burton, New quartet
Burton/Swallow, hotel hello
Burton Quartet, Passengers
Codona
Bill Connors, Of mist and melting
Corea, piano improvisations vol.1
Corea/Burton, IN concert Zurich
DeJohnette, New Directions
Garbarek, Sart
Garbarek, Places
Gismonti, Danca das cabecas
Mick Goodrick, IN Pas(s)ing
Haden/Garbarek/Gismonti, Folk songs
Lande, Red Lanta
Liebman, Drum Ode
Pat Metheny Group
Stephan Micus, Implosions
Paul Motian, COnception Vessel
Gary Peacock, December Poems
Barre Philipps, Mountainscaspes
Rava, Pilgrim & The Stars
Rypda, After the Rain
Rypdal, Waves
Stanko, Balladyna
Surman, Upon Reflection
Towner, SOlstice
Vasconcelos, Saudades
Vesala, Satu
Vitous. First Meeting
Weber Yellow Fields
anyone able to give some info or shortest reviews about any of the above discs?
I guess I don't need all the Burton and Corea stuff (though I like the Atlantic album Burton did with Jarrett! And the Throb Burton album attached to the Jarrett/Burton on the Rhino CD is pretty cool, too!).
Codona, Vasconcelos, Gismonti and the Folks songs one look like world music rather than jazz, yes?
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can someone tell me a bit more about this steamboat thing?DAVID DRAMM : ORANGE SLICE
for 3 Trumpets, 2 Keyboards, 2 Bass Guitars, 2 Percussionists and Electronics
STEAMBOAT SWITZERLAND Extended Ensemble:
Dominik Blum (CH): Hammond Organ/Analog Synthesizer/Piano; Gerard Bouwhuis (NL): Sampling Keyboard/Piano;
Marino Pliakas (CH): Bass Guitar;
Pete Wilson (UK): Bass Guitar;
Lucas Niggli (CH): Drums/Percussion;
Remo Signer (CH): Drums/Percussion;
Reijer Dorresteijn (NL): Trumpet;
Louis Lanzing (NL): Trumpet;
Bob Koertshuis (NL): Trumpet;
David Dramm (USA): Live Electronics
In 2000, the Dutch/German/Belgian festival Novembermusic gave composer David Dramm carte blanche to create an evening-length work for their three-city festival. The Amsterdam-based American composer has assembled a team of musicians from Switzerland, England and the Netherlands for his most ambitious instrumental work to date, Orange Slice.
Orange Slice borrows its intensely psychological character from the life and work of the visionary American artist, Gordon Matta-Clark (1943-1978). Matta-Clark is known for his audacious cuttings of abandoned buildings in New York, Antwerp and Paris. Using chainsaws, Matta-Clark created architectural sculptures of light and form, using basic shapes like spirals, wedges and crescents. Slicing through seilings, floors and walls, often from roof to ground floor, Matta-Clark cut most of his early buildings without permission, working at night. His improbable combination of 70s punk esthetic and a strong formal clarity is echoed in the massive, churning textures within the sharply articulated structure of Orange Slice. The three movement form of Orange Slice uses grand pianos whose large chords are often electronically distorted to produce feedback, virtuoso Hammond organ playing, shimmering bass guitar harmonics and long, sustained snare drum rolls which are timbrally enriched and accented with special preparations. The trumpets play both on and offstage, preferably in a back balcony behind the audience.
The hand-picked ensemble performs this marathon-scale work without a conductor. The keyboard/bass-guitar/drums trio STEAMBOAT SWITZERLAND, equally at home with the most complex modern music scores as with powerfull rock-influenced improvisations, forms an important role within the group. Paired with each player from Steamboat Switzerland is a second player of the same instrument. The Dutch pianist Gerard Bouwhuis has played in nearly every influential ensemble in Holland including Hoketus and Loos. Bass guitarist Pete Wilson is a founding member of the English Isbreaker ensemble and is internationally known for his high-energy renderings of music such as Micheal Gordon'sTrance.
Complemented with a strong Dutch trumpet trio that includes soloist Marco Blaauw (or Louis Lanzing) and Orkest de Volharding member Reijer Dorresteijn, the Orange Slice band is made up of players that combine passionate interpretions of modern music with a driving, pop music sensibility.
Source: http://www.marinopliakas.com/OS-promo.html
Hope this is of any use. I did include a little bit more information further up in this thread.
ubu
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Thanks for the info on ECM, ubu.
couw, great job. I like the one with three small images.
here comes the list, hope I make not too many errors, but being at work
Abercrombie/Holland/DeJohnette, Getaway
Adams, Sound Suggestions
AEC, Nice Guys
P.Bley, Open to Love
Brand (Ibrahim), African Piano
Burton/Corea, Crystal silence
Burton, New quartet
Burton/Swallow, hotel hello
Burton Quartet, Passengers
Codona
Bill Connors, Of mist and melting
Corea, piano improvisations vol.1
Corea/Burton, IN concert Zurich
DeJohnette, New Directions
Garbarek, Sart
Garbarek/Stenson, Witchi-Tai-To
Garbarek, Places
Gismonti, Danca das cabecas
Mick Goodrick, IN Pas(s)ing
Haden/Garbarek/Gismonti, Folk songs
Holland, COnference of the birds
Holland, Emerald Tears
Jarrett, Facing you
Jarrettt Arbour Zena
Jarrett, Survivors' Suite
Jarrett, My Song
Jarrett, Spheres
Jarrett, Personal Mountains
Lande, Red Lanta
Liebman, Drum Ode
Pat Metheny Group
Metheny, Bright Size Life
Stephan Micus, Implosions
Paul Motian, COnception Vessel
Gary Peacock, December Poems
Barre Philipps, Mountainscaspes
Rava, Pilgrim & The Stars
Rypda, After the Rain
Rypdal, Waves
Stanko, Balladyna
Surman, Upon Reflection
Towner, SOlstice
Town,er Solo COncert
Vasconcelos, Saudades
Vesala, Satu
Vitous. First Meeting
Waldron, Free at Last
Weber, Colours of Chloe
Weber Yellow Fields
Wheeler, Gnu High
I have the HOlland (Conference...), Wheeler, Jarrett (My Song, Personal MOuntains); Garbarek Witchi-tia-to, Ibrahim, Towner Solo Concert and Weber Colours.. CDs. Like them all.
Surman, Stanko, Vesala, Waldron and some more of teh Jarretts would sure be worthwhile!
ubu
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Wow John! Very very cool! I like all of them!
This one might be my favorite:
IMPORTANT: I do not know if my laptop will work these days!
PLEASE EVERYBODY SEND ME YOUR POSTAL ADRESSES TO MY ORGANISSIMO-PM BOX AGAIN! (Geoff, I just got yours...
)I will get the discs tonight, and hope to be able to send them out tomorrow. I guess the ones going to the US and to Australia won't arrive in time...
John, you can PM us the links to your site and everybody can choose his own cover, no? Hell, real custom orange slices!
Very cool work, indeed! me likee!
ubu
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Evans played Satie's Gymnopedie on the Herbie Mann/Bill Evans NIRVANA album on Atlantic
Thanks. I have that album on vinyl (was it ever released on CD?), but haven't listened to it in a while. Need to dig it out and give it a listen.
Yes, it is on CD. I only recently got it. It's either Atlantic or Rhino, probably Rhino. And probably OOP.
ubu
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Lazaro, that last paragraph of your post states very much the same Jost says (and remember he said that in a book published in 1972, on which he worked most probably in the late sixties, already). Murray and Cyrille were the right guys, and with them, it seems, everything in Taylor's music fell in place.
On the influences on Taylor, Jost points to Lennie Tristano and Dave Brubeck. He quotes from Williams' book "Four lives of Bebop" (or similar), some interview passages were Taylor himself speaks about Brubeck and Tristano. I cannot emulate all Jost writes here from memory. Then it seems Taylor heard Silver playing opposite Brubeck and perceived it as Brubeck imitating Silver. From then on he was interested more in the "black" side, and less in the attempts to produce an amalgamation of jazz and european music (which was why he early on was fascinated by both Brubeck and Tristano).
Interesting, then, is that Jost, after describing the ways and developpement of Taylor, in his close reading of "Unit Structures", mentions, how close parts of the exhibition of the thematic material (going from memory the first four minutes or so of the track) come to new music. But this then, would be from a wholly different angle - not the trial to do like fugues or something, wrapped in jazzy rhythms, but rather, having succeeded in developping his own musical structuralism, his own scheme how to do things, how to get rid of the theme-solos-theme structure, Taylor's music can indeed at times sound almost like "Neue Musik" (I don't know if the term "new music" as I used it before describes the same thing).
On a more personal basis, though, even with knowledge of the the points Jost discusses, much of Taylor's music, and often with Sunny Murray on drums, sounds like "just the usual high energy (post-Coltrane) sixties free jazz" (not to diss that, though!). I mean, you can often not figure out without repeated listenings/explorations, how complex that music is, and how (even if partly/mostly improvised on the spot) constructed it is. Yet somehow, the music often is extremely dense and never opens up or slows down or lets some air to breathe in between, and that's not only a challenge, in my opinion, but rather, sometimes, a pretty boring thing...
ubu
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Д.Д. - are you aware that there is an ECM sale going on here (well, at least in Zurich). They sell 50 titles form the seventies for CHF 20 (the list price being Euro 15.5 or something, and the usual price in shops here being from 33-36CHF, that's quite alright).
I bought Jarrett's My Song and one or two others so far. The small brochure they have in the shops says sale until feb 04, but I would not trust that!
On the Gayle again: the drummers do change, not the bassists. It seems the the first drummer is simply on disc 1 and the second on disc 2.
Cool that this swiss online site works! I've got to put some orders there... but Chaney and Geoff seem to know the problem... HELL!
ubu
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John, how much do they charge for shipping?
ubu
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Well, I'm not one of the more knowledgeable members here, but I do have some transcription recordings (some in Mosaic sets, like the Kenton, the Peggy Lee, some on LPs), and I guess my favorites are the various Tadd Dameron broadcasts.
I like the ones after Fats Navarro had left the band just as much as the ones with Fats. Great music! People like Rudy Williams, Kai Winding, Allen Eager in the band, later the "big ten" groups with the likes of Sahib Shihab, Cecil Payne, Miles... some wonderful music!
(Fantasy, btw, released a CD of some of this material - no big ten stuff, however - which has better sound quality than the other releases I have)
ubu
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now you're some real sick guys!
ubu
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I know one!!! Personally, I mean. A guy from Frankfurt who bought some Ebay items from me and picked them up here, he has a few. Otherwise, all are board fellows.
Mike, we seem to be pretty rare birds! Europeans seemingly don't buy Mosaics...
At least there are some stores who always carry one of two of them. You could, for instance, buy the Teddy Wilson for around 200$ there... I wonder if there are people crazy enough to buy these!
ubu
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I think of it as spirituality. Spirituality of its time, and timeless. . . . I think it is sincerely meant and about spiritual and metaphysical matters and ideas, and that makes it spiritual to me.
Amazing orchestrations!
Maybe you are right, Lon. Maybe one should see the whole trend to spirituality in those years as of its time, and yet meant true.
I remember now having read a chapter in a book of J.E. Behrendt on this topic. I shall look at that again, having in memory it was interesting.
About the orchestrations, you're certainly right! Amazing music, very textural, beautiful music!
ubu
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uh, I freaked up! My bad: I wanted to say: I don't know anybody (except me, that is...) who DOES OWN a Mosaic. I mean, people I know, meat, talk to in real life - (that's not to diss anyone here, but there IS some difference).
I would sure like to get some of these sets, however...
ubu
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Scott, I don't intend to diss the music, and I found the disc surprisingly good, BUT: do you really think this is spirituality? To me, it sounded just very much of its time, and I really would not know if I could describe this music as spriritual.
ubu
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This is a little bit of a problem. But keeping an overview over this thread is rather difficult, as it grows and grows...
On the other hand, Jim's two discs include that much good music, it really would be a shame we had only one disc of that!
By the way, the idea of Disc2,#1 being Eric Kloss gets me interested again in that musician. I only have the already mentioned Fantasy CD coupling two dates with Patterson, and like that one quite much. Got to dig up disc two again as soon as I can and have another listen!
ubu
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King Ubu,
Just saddened at the man's passing
Uh, no problem! I bet my attack has been caused by there being too few jazz fans dying around here...
ahem... and, seriously, I know not one person here who owns at least one Mosaic set, believe it or not...
ubu
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(I know you're all thinking "enough with the damn smiles")
You know, I was seriously troubled by this one:
ubu
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Very cool, couw!
(Please PM me your postal address - just in case you missed my plea for it a couple of posts above!)
ubu