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Thanks, brownie! Tell me, did you pick up the recent reissue of The Great Concert? I still got to! ubu

Wow! They are cool! Really like them! And you did one for me, too! Like it! ubu

brownie, I was at some store yesterday and they had the two LP Stuttgart set. They also have Lord, and he says most of the tunes on the Unique LPs were edited. You know if that's accurate? Then they had some other Mingus boots (off topic): that Mingus/Cat Anderson LP and the Ozone LP billed Mingus/Cecil Taylor (they do not play together). Anyone knows if they are worthwhile? Tanks! ubu

Thanks, Z-Man! How about an RVG of the rest of the material? Would be a great companion to "House Party" and "The Sermon" - why did they not include all the music on these two, anyway?!? ubu

Well, I like the Penguin Guide, & it's fairly reliable, but Cook & Morton also unaccountably give high rankings to Metheny/Bailey's Sign of 4, DD Jackson's Sigame & assorted other albums I found unlistenable, so..... Oh, I'm glad you find "Sigame" rather unlistenable, too! I already thought I got to get a new pair of ears... I'm otherwise very fond of the Penguin. More so than of AMG. ubu

The Oslo I have is on JazzUp JU-307: 1. Fables of Faubus 22:06 2. Orange Was the Colour of her Dress 15:11 3. Ow! 2:29 4. Take the "A" Train (incomplete) 9:42 Is there more around? Just checked with that link I provided below. Any idea how I could get this stuff? Hell, Mr Sangry has suggested this before, but I got to repeat it: Mosaic (or whoever) should do a complete April 1964 Mingus box!! And Lon, when you speak of the Netherlands dates, you mean those three LPs made in Amsterdam? Love'em! As far as I know they were on 2 CDs, too? Were do you find that sort of stuff? I always pick these up when I see some, but that happens only like every two or three years once. ubu

That's a question I asked (though only myself, so far), too. Couldn't anyone who has that data available give us the discographies for these three dates? As far as I know there's no Smith disco online! ubu

One date with KD I like a lot is this one: A great date, recorded October 1, 1961 by Peter Ind, it features KD, Curtis Fuller, the great Frank Haynes on tenor (he's also on that other Bailey album that came out last as "Reaching Out" under Grant Green's name), Flanagan, Ben Tucker and Bailey. Their take on Rollins' "Grand Street" is great, also some other interesting numbers are played: KD's "An Oscar For Oscar", Osie Johnson's "Osmosis", and a tune by Norris Turney, named "Soul Support", among other things. Then there's two trio tracks (Flanagan/Tucker/Bailey), too. I got it on this Prevue reissue which came out as under Flanagan's name ("Trio & Sextet", Prevue CD PR 11): ubu

about the "lack" of piano (and less so, guitar): it took me up to track four or five to even notice there was no piano! So I do not miss it at all. I often find that I love piano-less music very much. Gets an openness that most piano players somehow prevent. Although there are certainly lots of positive aspects of having a piano in a small group, too, and I love many piano players, of course... but it is very interesting to hear a whole disc of not-out-at-all music omitting the piano completely! Good idea, couw! Yep, found out about "Lover Man", too - but as I still not made it past disc 2 of that huge set I got from zweitausendeins some months ago (almost a year, actually - I sure should cut my CD-expenses...), I had not encountered it before. Beautiful! Some moments reminded me of McLean, but the sound is quite different, all in all. Would like to know what exactly #6 is! It does seem familiar, but I'm not sure I really have it. couw, you got my PM on #8? Care to reply? I'm curious! ubu

I guess that's by far my favorite moment of that disc! Anyway, the two live tracks are soooo f**king good, I wonder why they did not release a whole album by that band! ubu

Isn't that Mingus' sandal tapping the rhythm? "The tapping sound later on in 'A Train' was the stamping of my foot and the slap of my sandals. I wear sandals. I tapped my toes and the heel would follow down later. There was no distortion on the concert. The sound on the record is the exact sound of my flapping sandals at the live concert." (from Mingus' liner on JWS 001/002) Funny - mingusian (fancy that as similar to "rabulistic") - liners, by the way! I quote another passage: "A weird thing happened during 'A Train.' I had a pain my chest and the fear of the possibility of my death surged through me. And I overcame it. I was looking at the sky, and I said, 'Well, here I come, baby. Lord, I guess this is it. So I'm just gonna play better 'cause I want to sound good when I die.' In fact, I did have a palpitation, a funny throb. I had been so tired and overworked and I had a funny feeling as I looked up to the sky. That's the way it was in 'A Train' at this point and the musical pulse is unbelievable. So just go ahead and check it out." On the Ellington medley again: I've Got It Bad - features Mingus Sentimental Mood - no one featured All Too Soon - Byard Mood Indigo - Hillyer, supported by McPherson Sophisticade Lady - Mingus A Train - McPherson, Hillyer, Handy, Richmond ubu

gotta get that #14! Was not sure who it was. Like him very much, but I'm only just discovering his work! ubu

Thanks for mentioning! That's another CD I should have a listen to soon! ubu

I thought it was the man you mention on #12, mwtga! But I don't know his work that well. He IS a great trombone player, for sure! ubu

couw, disc arrived, spinning right now - I will type here WHILE listening and I won't read anything in this thread. Thanks in advance! 1. some film soundtrack, second half of the fifties, US-musicians, French movie. No idea what exactly. Maybe some drummer? Is this Blakey? Rather too soft horns. Not Blakey. Like this a lot! 2. Max Roach? That 3/4 album? (never heard it, still got to get the Roach Mosaic) But no, that would not have a trombone. Not Roach anyway, I think. Nice trumpet solo. Art Farmer maybe? No idea, to be honest, but second half of the fifties. Post 1957, I'd say. Like it! (Or could it be from a Roach band with Julian Priester? Yes?) 3. --- no, repeating 2. guess Roach. Bass almost sounds tuba-like on the themes! And the sax man (though it's hard to judge from the ensemble playing alone) could be George Coleman. 3. Nice work from the drummer here! Very nice - some master brushes player. Good solo entry from tenor. Early sixties (or latest fifties), I guess. Tenor seems familiar. Good solo, great! Drummer gives solid background - conga slightly annoying at times, too even. Who could this be? Charles Davis on bari? Early Davis? Could be Elvin? Hell, I know nothing... 4. Nice intro. Beautiful trombone sound! Nice fat bass. ECM sound? Not really, or very early. Nice groove! Vitous? No. But rather european. I like that bass sound very much, and I think I know the player of that bass, but I can't really come up with an association. The melody fragment backing the alto... all very nice! Like this a lot! The alto has a south african horns vibe to it. That full sound, sure time, singing lines... Great! 5. Wow! Komeda? Know the tune, but not how it's called, but I heard that already! Bernt Rosengren? Definitely european. Scandinavian rhythm players, maybe Rosengren. Great tenor solo! Great! Palle Danielsson? Jon Christensen? Arild Andersen? I don't know these players well enough to make more than guesses! And I might well (I will most probably) be completely wrong... Another one I like very much. Nice composition, this one! Could be a Komeda tune done by some scandinavians. 6. Beautiful tenor. Nice slightly old-school sound. Lucky Thompson? Another drummer good with brushes (hell, I love brushes!!). Five stars! Terrific build up! 7. That's that Parker blues. How's it called? "Au Privave". Then cool trombone, Monk's "Straight No Chaser". Nice one. Good driving big band drumming. Not my favorite, but I like the tenor solo. No idea. 8. Had to listen twice. Beautiful. A standard, but not one I know consciously. One passage of the theme reminds me of some Monk piece. Like this very much! 9. Not my favorite bass sound. Uh, I know this. Not sure of the title of the tune, but sure about the musicians. The bass sound and the rock-like steady beat of the drummer gave it away. I say no more. European, for sure. I got several live broadcasts from these trio. 10. No idea. Good groove. Don't know this singer, at least not in the time this track was made. Nice groove. And nice horns! Reminds me of Shepp's stuff - like that tracks not reissued from "Kwanza" or some of the Attica Big Band live CDs. Cool sax solo! Like it better as it continues! 11. Another great one! Irresistible beginning, with that kind of tango beat. Could this be Max Nagl? I don't have anything he did in trio. Cool! 12. Nice. But no idea what it could be. Like to hear you like the trombone! Another good boneist here. 13. Was... ist... das? Beautiful! Could be one of those hymns by Dollar Brand - I don't know it, but I like it! Alto is too tame to be Carlos Ward, though. Cecil McBee? Glorious! 14. Monk's "Ask Me Now". Beautiful clarinet sound! Nicely scored with the trombone (there we go again!) backing. Beautiful. (You know, I started out on clarinet, and it's always nice to hear a good clarinet player! There ain't that many - hell of a difficult instrument to master!) 15. "Lover Man" (Davis-Ramirez-Sherman). Beautiful! couw, this is a really nice disc! thanks a lot for your great choice and the work you put into it! ubu

bertrand: the Great Concert has the April 19 Theatre des Champs Elysees concert. Coles collapsed at the April 17 Salle Wagram concert (released on the Revenge! 2CD set), as far as I know - he's present on one track there. See more on Mingus' 1964 Europe tour here: http://webusers.siba.fi/~eonttone/mingus/1964.html ubu

mike, you might be right about the amateur part! Ms Gillis did the recend Rudd/Lacy, Shepp/Rudd (and maybe though I don't know about that) the Taylor/Dewey/Elvin records. ubu

That's what they are! Love that set, too! And it's on my huge pile of "I have to listen to this music rather yesterday than today"-CDs... Remember one of Konitz' last discs (featuring beautiful Ted Brown) had the title "Sound of Surprise"! And Mark Turner, who was on one of Konitz' latest discs (on Chesky, no idea what that title was again, I only recently got it) is Mark Turner, one of the most interesting of the young lions tenors, in my opinion, and clearly indebted to Warne Marsh. ubu

I saw him Nov. 29 solo in Zurich. And he seemed well, but that's maybe before you saw him? ubu

oh, I have another Lacy CD - and a great one: Five Facings (FMP). Recorded live featuring Lacy in duo encounters with five pianists: Marylin Crispell, Misha Mengelberg, Ulrich Gumpert, Vladimir Miller and Fred van Hove. Some Monk, some free. Great collection! Recorded 1996. ubu

Hey, this is cool!

Yeah, I knew Norah before she became a virgin.... ubu

Judging from this I solemly decree: it's obvious they're both of the utmost international importance ubu

Infidel! I declare a Clifford Brown fatwa! Death to the Unbeliever! I don't think you can compare Kenny and Brownie. I was just saying that many players would find it daunting to follow someone like Clifford. Not only did Kenny do it well, he did it brilliantly.

Here are the covers. I only have the first of them, so far. ubu