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Milan, the one from Germany is this here: Frankfurt 1952 (two post above you have the link to AMG) Mike has mentioned this one, too. We can save some and get these, Milan. At least those from the fifties do sound interesting (Frankfurt 52, Stockholm '55, Carnegie '49 - not on Verve set, I guess? -, and Hartfort & Tokoy '53. Still: anyone able to comment on any of these discs? And: is that Pablo/Fantasy Carnegie Hall 49 CD NOT in the JATP Complete 44-49 box? Anyone can confirm this? thanks, ubu (PS: Milan, I jumped over the fence and yesterday finally ordered the Basie Decca (in GRP version) from Amazon. They'll send it out today! WOWEE!)

Wow, Jim, thanks for that great "evaluatory" post on EH! Really enjoyed reading, and totally agree with what you said! ubu

You can get the Basie for the same amount on Amazon Germany (which for me would be cheaper, as VAT is deducted and shipping free - while 2001 charges I think 8.5 Euros for shipping). The prize for the Miles J.J. is a not bad, but Amazon France has it for 61.60 Euros. ubu

Thanks, brownie. Do you have these CDs? The Basies and the Prez'? If so, could you (or anybody else who has them) please indicate which volumes do include rare stuff or broadcasts, and maybe add what exactly (date would suffice, I could then check with the Porter disco) - that would be GREAT! thanks, ubu

Anyone has an idea where I could find the Hanna plays Wilder (as well as the Al Haig album in the same Helen Merrill presents Gitanes/Universal series)? I was looking for them for some time, alas with no luck. I do not own any Hanna records, besides his sideman work with Mingus (Lon's comment re. Hanna/Byard is one which pretty well describes my perception of Hanna - interesting that they both worked with Charles Mingus!) and on the Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Mosaic - where he absolutely stands out! I find myself very often listening to the rhythm section when spinning those discs. Hanna/Davis/Lewis were something else! ubu

Thanks for the Harlem link, Milan. Well, I read all the Prez discussions - exhaustive, fascinating, full of information and interesting news, ideas, perceptions, and emotions. It seems like I'm starting on a real Prez-trip myself... What a pity the french Masters of Jazz are no longer around! It seems those discs would have been quite a good documentation of the Prez' music. Did they also include widely available studio dates? Or broadcasts and rare live material only? ubu

Glad to hear about this! Service just as good as Mosaic! And you're sure gonna like the Byrd! Why not ask them to send the Sacha Distel, too? Maybe they could give you that one as a gift... ubu

That was what I thought when I started this discussion, then it came to my mind that I read something somewhere about a Getz-influence (maybe it was that quote Mike posted, maybe somewhere else, I can't remember) - however, Getz or not Getz, Prez is there for sure! And what he makes out of it is COMPLETELY unique, I'd say, too. (And I did not start this discussion to diss EH in any way - I love his music ever since I first heard him, which must be 10 years back, very early in my jazz-trip, high school... and some funny remembrances, too.) ubu

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Fantasy lists some more: http://www.fantasyjazz.com/catalog/jatp_cat.html and http://www.fantasyjazz.com/catalog/jatp_cat2.html Several by some artist, some of those Montreux jams, and: - Stockholm 1955, The Exciting Battle - the recently released JATP at Carnegie Hall 1949 - JATP the Greatest Concert in the World (3CD) - JATP, Jazz at the Santa Monica Civic '72 (3CD) Anyone can comment on any of the available releases? ubu

AMG: some available CDs: Frankfurt 1952 Hartford 1953 Tokyo 1953 London 1969 Montreux 1975 Montreux again Tokyo 1983 OOP or not on CD material: Trumpet Battle 1952 (mentioned before) Krupa / Rich (also mentioned before) Then AMG mentions 10 LPs (not yet on CD) released in 1983. And things seem to be pretty chaotic... I gotta look for some of this stuff! ubu

Yes! I have this one, excellent indeed! But no sign of JATP on that cover, yes? I did not check. ubu

upping this, couldn't find it last night. James, you're gonna get the info tonight! ubu

By the way, Mike, - off topic - speaking of players, saxophone players that is, who merged swing/thirties elements with bop and later influences, one musician who stands out in my book, and who, amazingly enough is still around and going very very strong, is Benny Golson. I am a huge fan of his playing, although I have only four or five of his records. Some solo, I think on the opening tune, on "Golson and the Philadelphians" (recently on BN CD, now OOP) always kills me again! ubu

But only the sound!!! Eddie's choice of notes is entirely different from Getz'!!! That quote is very very fitting! He uses that "cool" sound but the "hot" phrasing of the advanced hard bop school. There is no other cat who could have written Freedom Jazz Dance or Mean Greens! This is some phrasing even different from Rollins or Trane. I hear a parallel to Lucky Thompson, who managed to cross the rhapsodic attitude of Hawkins with the fluidity of Don Byas and the lightness of Lester Young. Very individual mixtures of influences! Yes, you're right, Mike, I forgot to specify sound when talking of the Getz influence. Moreover, it's like a Getz-sound on alto (but not too close to Desmond or Konitz), that Harris had. Of course his whole style is completely his own - and this is one reason more why it's so sad that so many jazz fans dismissed him! He was completely his own man, playing tenor in front of a classic rhythm section (those Walton/Carter/Higgins dates, MAN!, or the marvellous Echo of Harlem ), doing his electric thing (Silver Cycle is great, so are Electrifying E.H.), as a composer, too ("Freedom Jazz Dance", "Listen Here", "Sham Time", "Funkaroma"...), as well as a piano-player/singer (a true hyphenated!) and entertainer. An album I recently got and like a lot is this one: For Bird to Bags (AMG) I think it is OOP now, but it may still be around. Reissued by Koch. (links etc working as I am supposed to be working, and am not using my notebook) ubu

Ubu, the link is right there! Problem solved? Mike, problem not solved at all! I just copied the URL directly into the text field and it works. brownie: I think I saw that Ellington CD once. Thanks for your information. That Frankfurt disc sounds cool, gotta look for it. ubu

Thanks for the info on the Granz Jams, Chuck! Brad, there's a Cannonball CD from 1960, too: http://www.fantasyjazz.com/catalog/adderley_c_cat2.html (sorry, I can't add links at the moment) ubu

Mike, I read that quote somewhere, too. Getz would be the closest influence on sax, I think, yes. There's one EH CD I have from early nineties I think where he does some piano and singing, too. Very funny stuff! ubu

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Thanks, Mike! Never too late. I did not yet pick up any of the discs. How about Eddie's roots? Sure some Lester in there, no? What do you think? I mean, his sound is very very much his own, he's one of those musicians you recognise from the first one or two notes he plays, but he does come from some place. ubu

Good choice, EKE! Will love to revisit this one! ubu

One more CD from the 1960 JATP in Europe tour came out on Fantasy/Pablo recently. No jam affair, but rather Shelly Manne's quintet (Gordon, Kamuca, Freeman and Budwig). Rather nice, and previously unissued, but not what you are looking for, Milan. How about jam/regular groups - the 1957 US JATP tour (the 18th and last in the US, as I read in the booklet of the Hawkins/Eldridge at the Opera House CD) seemed to feature several more or less fix units: Hawk & Roy with Lewis and the MJQ's bassist and drummer, Heath & Kay; the MJQ, Oscar Peterson's trio with some drummer; Stan Getz & J.J. with OP trio & same drummer; Ella - these are the ones under whose names "At the Opera House" LPs were released (take this from the same CD booklet). Now the 1993 reissue of the Hawk/Little Jazz material adds an extended jam on "Stuffy" (with Roy, J.J., Getz, Hawk, Prez, Lewis, Heath, Kay), without giving information where this one was originally released. My question: were there always some all star concerts & jams included? Or just like everybody gathered at the end of the show to do one number together (as could have been the case with "Stuffy")? And: do you count all those recordings as JATP affairs? (even if it's , as with "Ella at the Opera House" or the Hawk/Eldridge disc, just a small unit that most probably performed in the same configuration every night of the tour) Or is the label JATP only used (as it most often is, at least in casual use) for all star jam recordings? And one more thing: there's some online discography of the Verve label (far from complete, I think, but I am not sure about it), which starts listing "Norman Granz Jam Sessions" beginning in the fifties - what's their relationship to JATP? Same thing, new name? ubu

That's a thought that occurred to me, too. Yet I will most probably need some assistance doing this - as I said, I don't know nothin' about them computers (I'm hardly smart enough to make them work the way I want...) ubu

I found those comments of Jim pretty witty and funny! No problem at all! ubu

Dan, kick yourself real hard for not getting the Pepper Galaxy from zweitausendeins (16CDs for some 30 Euros or some...) - sorry, that's mean of me! Regarding Thompson: may I suggest you start with the marvellous Impulse CD which holds those beautiful trio tracks with Oscar Pettiford, as well as some more with Jimmy Cleveland, it's titled "Tricotism". Then the Paris recordings are a beautiful lot! There's two discs in the recent jazz in Paris series (as well as a third with Sammy Price), and there are two "Complete Vogue Recordings" volumes (which might be relatively difficult to find, try amazon france). I have all of those and love them, too! The disc couw took his track from is from that Americans Swingin' in Paris series, which I have not yet started buying, but the Thompson sure sounds like another winner. If you are looking for further Thompson recommendations, I am not your man, as there are others much better informed and with much bigger Thompson collections around these corners. ubu