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It has. I got the CD in London maybe three years ago. ubu I dont think its available anymore.( I cannot find it on the web anywhere.) I payed like 25£ for it! Crazy, but that the Coltrane record I was looking for forever, it seemed, and there it was, in the shelf of one of those terrible large cd stores, can't recall the name, but it was right in the centre of the city, maybe on Picadilly Circus? If you get there, have a look, I found several of the very first VEE discs, there, too. They have each disc about 10 times standing there, so it takes a couple of years till they sell them, it seems. ubu

couw surprises... greedy couw! ubu

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Jim, thanks for these photos! Cool one to have! Hey, and ten more to go - wonder what your new status will be!?! ubu

It has. I got the CD in London maybe three years ago. ubu

Thanks a lot, Chuck! This pushes me over the edge! ubu

In addition. Thanks! I guess someday I'll have to replace, then. I'm a big fan of this Mingus band, too! ubu

You can probably keep the French set. I made the switch, but I'm a huge fan of this band. The fragments give you some studio chatter and a little insight into Mingus' studio methods. Nothing earthshattering. Disc one is 77 minutes long and disc two is 79, if that helps. The sound is great on both versions Chuck, that replacement question is one I thought about, too. Can you answer another question: the french disc has other mixes on disc 2, right? Not music as it happened, but other mixes? Does the US one have snippets of music as it happened instead of these other mixes, or in addition to? thanks, ubu

Yes, that was Impulse AS-9148. There was a German licence on the label of a widespread TV/Radio magazine, too. David Wild lists four titles recorded at the February 2, 1966 session. They are the only tracks issued on Impulse LP at some time that have not yet been reissued on CD (maybe in Jpan?). Peace on Earth and Infinity were released posthumously on the Infinity LP AS-9225 (was that an Alice Coltrane LP?). Manifestation and Reverend King on Cosmic Music. Manifestation also showed up on a Best of compliation on Impulse AS-9223-2, a double LP, so Impulse still should have some tapes. I guess they either forgot about this session or cannot find a place for the tracks. 40 minutes of music are enouh for me - this is some of the rarest Coltrane. Hey, no sweat, Mike, remember I mentioned some surprise disc you'll get some day? ubu

This albums makes me laugh each time I listen: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Afwc8b5p4bsqs "Poor Joe" and "Don't Try To Keep Up With The Joneses" are some of the funniest stuff I ever heard. ubu

YEAH! I love that album - the whole group sounds SOOOO good! Vinnegar is up there with the great ones of that era (Chambers, Watkins etc). Wonder what the Coltrane band would have sounded had he been able to get Vinnegar (I don't remember where I read about that, but I do remember I did ) ubu

Hans, thanks for sharing! Good news! ubu

I've never seen this one before. What's the label? Great band: Dyani fo'sho, and George Brown is a wonderful drummer. Great sense of polyrhythmic tension-building. He's got a neat little record called "Gorilla" on Message. It's on Marge, clifford. That label (group of labels, rather) was discussed and linked to somewhere earlier in this thread. http://disquesfuturaetmarge.ifrance.com/di...sfuturaetmarge/ ubu

Listening to this one (my only Murray so far): Pretty good one! The line up is Lawrence "Butch" Morris, Murray, Johnny Dyani, and George Brown. ubu

Perhaps you're listening for something that isn't there ('swing' in the traditional American sense of the term). You're also assuming that this 'swing' equates to 'heart', lack of it to 'head'. That's a common criticism of European jazz (and ECM jazz in particular) by listeners centred on the American mainstream (and I mean everything from Armstrong to Ayler and beyond there). But there are other ways to express 'heart'. Mahler doesn't 'swing' but he's full of heart. I'd say Stanko is drawing off a very different tradition from normal jazz (though there's that there too) ...and he (and scores of other European musicians) are doing that too. That's how they've come to find their own voices. I can fully understand that in many listeners minds they appear to have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. The very things they love in jazz are sacrificed in the interest of originality or distinctiveness. But take it from those of us who do relate to the likes of Stanko. The 'heart' is as much there as in anything by Coltrane or Davis or Hawkins. And, personally, I hear much more 'heart' in the music of someone like Stanko than in many of the contemporary musicians who continue to run through the blues/swing tradition and seem to be 'playing the part'. But that's just my ears. It's always dangerous to assume that musicians working in a language you are not familiar with or sympathetic too lack 'heart'. If I tried to read a volume of Lorca's poetry in Spanish I might conclude it lacks 'heart'. Bev, very good post! I'm completely with you on the part I put bold. But hell, they have such a *momentum* (to omit the word "swing" which might be mis-leading indeed), that no one who sees them live cares, really! Anyone with doubt about this should check them out live! ubu

No, I would expect some Americans to understand such things. I don't think it's ever been suggested that Europeans are 'way ahead' or whatever, after all, it is the great American art form we're dealing with. Carry on like that and you're in danger of offending us European board members. I don't think that would achieve anything or be of any benefit to anyone. Leeway, you had me laugh out loud! Don't take this so serious! If you find Stanko a bore and don't get him - fine. To each his own, I'd say, musical tastes are different, and we should be all the more happy about that. and to tonym: of course *some* - maybe lots of - Americans do indeed understand those "old world" "engaging products"! Derrida would not be half as famous today if not for his fame in the US. But all of this has nothing to do with Stanko, I think... ubu

Did you ever see him live? I saw him twice with his current quartet. Live, he's completely different. None of the estheticized ECM-sound etc. They were really hot last night. Nothing studied, and swinging like mad! Sometimes they reminded me a bit of Miles' second quintet (piano and drums, mostly, not Stanko himself). ubu

The concert on tuesday night was great! One of the best concerts I ever heard! The Stanko quartet is a real band, not just a leader and a backing trio. The man on piano, Marcin Wasilewski, is a great artist - he should get his own recording date! Bassist Slawomir Kurkiewicz has got a true, woody, warm sound on his bass - he plays without a pick-up, too! Then drummer Michal Miskiewicz reminded me of Tony Williams here and there, but I think he's pretty much his own man. He was really fuelling the group. Also hearing him live, with no ECM-mixing added, is great. They were really smokin', playing fast numbers more than half of the time, some pretty free stuff, too. A very impressive show! ubu

Great news, thanks for sharing, Gary! ubu

I very well might, but more on a retrospective level - the concert here is on the next day after the one in Zürich. Uh, I thought it was before... sorry. I'll tell you how it was if I make it! ubu

I read an article about our ability to correct wrong words while reading - the title and the whole lead were wirtten copmletlely fcuked up, and you had no problem reading each word correct. ubu

so I'm back to groover status again or what? ubu

Have fun! I'll see the Tomasz Stanko quartet tonight (but I almost fall asleep now, already!) David, tell us how it was, might push me over the edge on April 1. ubu