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how 'bout cheap, multiple jazz listeners?

Glad he wasn't! Seriously, Mitch Mitchell was indeed quite a drummer!

So Mitch Miller was on Bitches Brew?

very sad news - r.i.p. Jerome Cooper there's another entry on Pi Recordings' FB page: https://www.facebook.com/PiRecordings

well, of course not ... in my view, music business has destroyed itself quite efficiently in the past 20 or so years, as we were watching from the sidelines ... actually, look at the current flood of classical boxes - that market, compared to jazz, seems to be pretty large, so all the more they could still try and make some money there, but no, they've started selling stuff way cheaper than they could/should have some years ago, it's like watching them doing a very slow yet efficient hara-kiri there - they make sure there will be hardly a drop of blood left in the venes once they're done

anyone actually bought this? what's the prev. unissued live material exactly? can't seem to find any particulars looking at allmusic, the UMG page or amazon customer reviews ...

They no longer "own" it, alright ... but in some cases they still own master tapes or other copies close to the source. And it's still not legal for any of these enterprises top rip other product than the one that's been 50 years of age up to ... 2012 or 2013 - what's the threshold anyway, has the entire thing been settled at all? (Fegh ya, Paul!) Two more thoughts though (the above doesn't count): 1) if they would only "rip-off" (they don't, it's legal as long as they use the right sources) majors that give a flying poop about their own catalogues - fine with me. Still would prefer official series of course, and I do occasionally go places (reach into my pockets) in order to get the real thing, but I certainly don't expect all others to behave the same way ... again, too often though, they rip off smaller labels and that really pisses me off in all ways ... no matter if what they do is "legal" or what, there it's me that doesn't give a poop: copying "Town Hall 1945" or that Charles "Baron" Mingus set (and mind me, in both cases they quite certainly stole straight from the original CD ... not sure what the legal situation is there, the Diz/Bird was PD as it was never issued within the 50 years timespan, BUT there was still no legally okay source available to them ... and I don't think copying the Uptown CD, which I assume was the only source available, is legal). 2) that "it's the only way to lay hands on it" argument is one that is very much of its (our current) times - where the heck does that idea come from that we're entitled to have it all, at any given time? afterthought to 2): I'm 35 now (actually not true, but I guess I might just stop counting anyways, don't get *that* concept of time), and I rarely, if ever, meet younger people in jazz hangouts (be it online, be it at concerts) - so, eat this: you all were around in time to buy all those official Blue Note, Fantasy, Verve/PolyGram/whatever reissues! Okay, of course you may have not had enough money at hand back then (I never did ... at least I could always have used plenty more ), you may have had other, more important business to tend to ... but that "it's the only way" thingie, no, me no buy that unless you're a kid of 20 or 25 or only discovered jazz 5 years ago.

This one here was on QWest if AMG is right: never liked it much, but haven't heard it since the late 90s. re Blue Note's 80s/90s activities, there's a dedicated thread about it:

Chuck gave a very precise answer. Might be time to pull some sheet music ...

Okay, here's what's clear: 1. This Here 4. Oleo 5. I Want to Be Happy 7. Autumn Leaves 9. Take the "A" Train 12. I Surrender Dear I would assume #2 and #3 to be correct as well but I'm not sure I have them at hand somewhere to compare. The other tracks are all originals that I'm not familiar with - one of the last two ones sounds very much like a Lucky T. line to my ears though ... I guess I could try and figure out which tracks on the discs are actually those Lucky originals, eventually (in the wrong tracklisting provided, they are: 2. Why Weep, 12. One Last Goodbye, 14. The Mysterioso Mr. X.) (edited for lousy typing)

it's wonderful! however, the tracklisting is hopelessly off (and the english liner notes were translated by a German speaking person without a proper sensory for how english works ...) - too bad ... but the disc sounds fine and Lucky T is in amazing form (dig him on #8, no clue what tune it is, too tired to try and figure out the correct tracklist right now). here's the cover: btw, rhtythm section does a more than adequate job here ... don't think I've ever heard Kovac play as spirited as here, and Larry Atwell's guitar gets quite funky at times, not that great a sound, but some nice ideas and phrasing ... though he does seem to be out of tune) ... b/d (Jürgen Ehlers and Rudy Pronk, don't think I ever heard them before) are fine.

Oh, I'm with you on Proper, Big Beat Steve! I guess it's really on case-by-case ground that this needs to be addressed - Simon Spillett seems to have done these Tubby sets, and they're fine. Other than that, I have mostly no interest in Proper whatsoever (how the hell could they have laid hands on all the original Joe Harriott material?), but bought the Webster and Tatum sets for some missing items here and there, many moons ago ... that's the trade-off aspect. And I couldn't agree more about the nuisance that Fresh Sound's combination policy is - I really hate them for doing that. HOWEVER, in the bigger scheme of things, after all, they do plenty of nice reissues. I just got their Bill Jennings 2CD set yesterday - claims to hold a couple of prev. unissued King (also Audio Lab, I think - no idea about the possible relation between the two) tracks. If that's true, I guess their not having been released within the 50 years made them PD 50 years after the sessions (latest 2007), but even more so, it begs the question how and where from they got those (similar case: Lone Hill's John La Porta 2CD set - mighty good one, with a totally superfluous duplication of half the Fantasy disc "Theme and Variations" ... HOWEVER they did not - even if only for time limitations - include the session that made its first appearance on that CD ... not sure if that was within the 50 years and hence copy rights only started running then, or if the material was PD because Fantasy had slept on it for too long). Oh, and the Gryce set was discussed long and far here, it actually prompted another of these threads with some taking higher moral grounds and stuff ... but bottom line was: it is crap, it even holds tracks that won't copy/read on computer drives or would produce errors. Also, the only item of real interest it holds is "Reminiscin'", which shortly after did make a reapparance in Japan, so ...

Sorry to be late, Alex! Hope it was a great one! After all, you're on a roll, my friend

great news, Chuck!

I stay away from them (gave in just once, a three or four albums on two discs set by Kenyon Hopkins, years ago when these just started to appear) ... but wanted to add that I guess Allen's first point might well be the case (no idea if they run any filters and stuff, as is done with many cheapo classical thingies which look like crap, sound like crap ... and cost crap) and that of course makes these releases illegal in Europe as well. Now you may think making that distinction is academic (and I return: fegh you), but it's not legal at all to copy anything that's been out just a few years ... legal would be to hunt original releases (older than 50 years) and make your own transfers of those. That was the operating model of the Chrono(lo)gical Classics, and I understand it's the operating model of Avid as well (they look ugly but I kinda like them). And even Proper have to be given props for actually leaving off the CD-era bonustracks from "Tubby in New York" when they did their second Tubby Hayes set - these tracks only appeared 20 some years back and are not public domain. Not sure how Fresh Sound does this, but yes, compared to the labels being discussed here (and compared to plenty snazzy looking other Spanish reissues by fungi such as "American Jazz Classics", "Poll Winner Records", "Essential Jazz Classics" and what have you) they do look quite like the real deal indeed.

I quite like "Bud Plays Bird" actually - quite a bit better for sure than the RCAs!

Don't know any of the Golden Circles yet, but that 3 CD set is pretty good! As for the RCA's, I agree - they sound too ... "professional" to me, probably as close as Powell ever got to routine. Not saying he's coasting, as I can very much relate to the point that Sangrey makes above about him having been unable to do just that ... but still. Might be the narrow production values at play, for which RCA is infamous anyway.

These crooks take their stuff straight from dime. A slap in the face of those who bought the three disc (2 CD + 1 DVD) Legacy edition extracted from the 40th Anniversary set. True (of course the original is from 2010, not 2013 though). I did go for the big version eventually, and it's mighty nice (50 some euro at amazon.it right now) - wanted that Tanglewood set.

Okay, disc 2 alone is pretty great! And I sure hope this will not rule out anything!

Don't plan to get the Seon ... but maybe that's a mistake? Also not sure about the upcoming Tafelmusik box (plenty of duplication between it and the Vivarte plus the small Haydn symphonies box). As for the Archiv, I guess in the meantime it grew some in appreciation. Have played almost all of it by now, back when I wrote those sentences you quote, I had for instance not yet heard the great early Richter St Matthew.

Berlin shows, according to Losin: http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=640925 http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=671104 http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=691107 http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=711106 http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=731101 plus two more post comeback (actual comeback!) and thus from beyond the time scope: http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=831029 http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=851101 And here's Dietikon: http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=711022 So this might, in one go, rule out a 1971 AND a 1975 set? That's not exactly great news, I'm afraid - even more so if they throw in known stuff (Newport 1955 and 1969, though having the former in an official version is nice of course).

Both sets of Dietikon would fill at least three discs, so I guess only parts of it ... Newport 1969 has been out, why bring it back again? Newport 1955 is, in my opinion, overrated ... it's short, it's somewhat disjointed, and no way it's any kind of comeback in a musical way (possibly in a public perception way? you old guys tell me, I wouldn't know if it was more than mere marketing) - Miles recorded tons of better music in 1954. Here's Losin's entry on the 1955 set: http://www.plosin.com/MilesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=550717 It's been in circulation on Jazz Unlimited and more recently on a 2CD set by Storyville combining their two MD pd(/boot?) releases - the second disc of which has been surplussed by the TCB release of the 1960 Zurich concert (which I like quite some, though it's worlds apart from the tension of the Paris show or the Stockholm set - a very relaxed affair ...).

Looks like a bit of a ragbag ... wonder if that crosses out a 1971 tour release, but I surely hope not.

all the best! :party:

1951 - Arvell Shaw was in the band beginning of the year, but then he took a break and there were other subbing, Dale Jones for instance? Would love to say "I saw Cozy Cole perform" - what a wonderful drummer! Not to speak of Satchmo himself - drool!