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Any news on this? It's over 2 years now ... Q Well, the news is that Evensmo scolded us (the public/the subscribers of his newsletter) for lack of interest ... but please tell me how I can lay my hands on these (and add the entire Savory collection if you will) or whom I could write in order to be able to buy a legit CD release of it

well, I knew you knew but still we didn't have a pic of Miller in this thread yet (or it's hosted on a site that doesn't show on my work computer?)

That's a pretty nice disc! Bought mine from someone here (Lon?) many moons ago ...

well, that's Mitch Miller ... maybe DSM merged Bird and him there?

probably, yes - it looks weird!

what's this, no moustache but a beard?

yeah ... that's not Bird anyways ... but I like the cover nonetheless - maybe DSM thought Bird w/strings sucked and wanted to state just that between the lines? word of the day: moustachioed

Question for those that know better than me ... have been revisiting the great Hindsight 3CD set "Big Band Jazz – The Jubilee Sessions, 1943–1946" recently ... and lo and behold, there's a great honking Quinichette solo on the one Johnny Otis track included, "J.T. Stomp". But now ... the tenor player on the Elmer Fain track "Stampede in G Minor" sounds, to my ears, most similar. For Fain though, no line up is provided at all. Date given is "August 1944" (Jubilee 94). He plays a whole run of Vice Pres' pet licks, the tone and phrasing sounds perfectly like Lady Q, too. Check out the solo entry at 1:07, then that slur upwards (it's repeated at the end of the first solo). When he re-enteres after the trumpet break, again, the entry (1:30-1:33) sounds very much like Quinichette. Any other opinions there? Or has everyone known and I'm the last one to find out? Evensmo, for one, doesn't list that track in his solography: http://www.jazzarcheology.com/artists/paul_quinichette.pdf He lists some other Jubilee sessions though, including the Otis - but mostly there he provides no dates whatsoever (the fact that the Otis turns up so early might mean Evensmo thinks it took place earlier than October 1945, the date given in the Hindsight set?)

Nice!

I like that one, too!

Blue and Sentimental w/Basie (Decca) for starters? Then there's this: http://www.jazzarcheology.com/artists/herschel_evans.pdf

r.i.p.

Niko alerted me elsewhere that the tracklisting for amazon's mp3 offering seems to be correct: http://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B00W8OZV8C/ It's mighty good for sure! Only wish they would have had a proper translator and some quality control ...

After having finally read through this thread, just wanted to say thanks to Allen and to Larry for sharing their thoughts - very interesting! Agree that Allen's projects of recent times are sui generis and definitely cannot be lumped with, say, ICP or Breuker (both of whom I enjoy). And fully endorse Larry's comment about having to at least try and talk about.

how 'bout cheap, multiple jazz listeners?

Glad he wasn't! Seriously, Mitch Mitchell was indeed quite a drummer!

So Mitch Miller was on Bitches Brew?

very sad news - r.i.p. Jerome Cooper there's another entry on Pi Recordings' FB page: https://www.facebook.com/PiRecordings

well, of course not ... in my view, music business has destroyed itself quite efficiently in the past 20 or so years, as we were watching from the sidelines ... actually, look at the current flood of classical boxes - that market, compared to jazz, seems to be pretty large, so all the more they could still try and make some money there, but no, they've started selling stuff way cheaper than they could/should have some years ago, it's like watching them doing a very slow yet efficient hara-kiri there - they make sure there will be hardly a drop of blood left in the venes once they're done

anyone actually bought this? what's the prev. unissued live material exactly? can't seem to find any particulars looking at allmusic, the UMG page or amazon customer reviews ...

They no longer "own" it, alright ... but in some cases they still own master tapes or other copies close to the source. And it's still not legal for any of these enterprises top rip other product than the one that's been 50 years of age up to ... 2012 or 2013 - what's the threshold anyway, has the entire thing been settled at all? (Fegh ya, Paul!) Two more thoughts though (the above doesn't count): 1) if they would only "rip-off" (they don't, it's legal as long as they use the right sources) majors that give a flying poop about their own catalogues - fine with me. Still would prefer official series of course, and I do occasionally go places (reach into my pockets) in order to get the real thing, but I certainly don't expect all others to behave the same way ... again, too often though, they rip off smaller labels and that really pisses me off in all ways ... no matter if what they do is "legal" or what, there it's me that doesn't give a poop: copying "Town Hall 1945" or that Charles "Baron" Mingus set (and mind me, in both cases they quite certainly stole straight from the original CD ... not sure what the legal situation is there, the Diz/Bird was PD as it was never issued within the 50 years timespan, BUT there was still no legally okay source available to them ... and I don't think copying the Uptown CD, which I assume was the only source available, is legal). 2) that "it's the only way to lay hands on it" argument is one that is very much of its (our current) times - where the heck does that idea come from that we're entitled to have it all, at any given time? afterthought to 2): I'm 35 now (actually not true, but I guess I might just stop counting anyways, don't get *that* concept of time), and I rarely, if ever, meet younger people in jazz hangouts (be it online, be it at concerts) - so, eat this: you all were around in time to buy all those official Blue Note, Fantasy, Verve/PolyGram/whatever reissues! Okay, of course you may have not had enough money at hand back then (I never did ... at least I could always have used plenty more ), you may have had other, more important business to tend to ... but that "it's the only way" thingie, no, me no buy that unless you're a kid of 20 or 25 or only discovered jazz 5 years ago.

This one here was on QWest if AMG is right: never liked it much, but haven't heard it since the late 90s. re Blue Note's 80s/90s activities, there's a dedicated thread about it:

Chuck gave a very precise answer. Might be time to pull some sheet music ...

Okay, here's what's clear: 1. This Here 4. Oleo 5. I Want to Be Happy 7. Autumn Leaves 9. Take the "A" Train 12. I Surrender Dear I would assume #2 and #3 to be correct as well but I'm not sure I have them at hand somewhere to compare. The other tracks are all originals that I'm not familiar with - one of the last two ones sounds very much like a Lucky T. line to my ears though ... I guess I could try and figure out which tracks on the discs are actually those Lucky originals, eventually (in the wrong tracklisting provided, they are: 2. Why Weep, 12. One Last Goodbye, 14. The Mysterioso Mr. X.) (edited for lousy typing)