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Let me complain a bit more, too... I'm ubu roi, so I'm a little bit French (and Polish), too... First: thanks for chiming in, Fernando! (Are you a nobleman? Glad you're not French, then, otherwise your ancestors may have been beheaded... ) About Taylor: "Nefertiti", the 2CD live recording from Copenhagen should definitely be part of the 25 discs, in my opinion! "Unit Structures" is a fine choice, and probably a very important album - even more so with your criterium to list albums that represent a new style of music at its very early stage. But just that point (new music) makes me bitch once again about Wynton and David Murray (and, sorry to put them in the same pot here, but also about Keith Jarrett - his trio is magnificient, but there's not much new there...). What's new about the neo-classicists? I'd rather see musicians like Taylor honoured than those that didn't bring anything new. I agreed above with Agu's statement that one cannot simply ignore the neos, but then, in this case at least, one has to ignore the criterium of choosing albums that represent new styles of music. Being a bit of a devil's advocate here... not that I strongly disagree with this list! For me, personally, it's fun to create and discuss such lists, but then actually I don't need them. I can see that they are useful for neophytes, though (I used similar lists, too, when I got into jazz as a teenager and had to decide which discs I should spend my little money on...)

Forgot to mention I also got a copy of this one: And it's excellent! These guys are truly fantastic! The combination of reeds, trumpet and bassoon allows tons of different nice sounds. Really a music of their own, like I never heard before. Having Yaremchuk in on this one makes for more reeds and an even broader sonic spectrum. John: sounds like you had a great time with Brötz! Good to hear! After having heard David's take on the quartet's concert in Geneva (McPhee, Kessler, Zerang), I skipped their Zurich concert, so I still haven't heard/seen Brötz in person...

But you can´t avoid considering the neo-bop/neoclassicism/whatever thing. It´s also an important part of the last 25 years. Be sure that Jorge LG, who was the person in charge of this period (though all of us has discussed and helped in every decade), is the guy with the most open-minded, wide, profound, clear and personal vission of the last 30 years in jazz that I´ve ever met. And this is not shameless promotion! ← Well, I'm ready to believe that, sure! But my point is: there has been *much* music performed and recorded in those years that is *much* more interesting than *any* of the neo-whatever stuff. Of course the problem is that jazz has gotten so fragmented in these years. There's the modern mainstream (with guys like Golson and Woods and whoever, many of those were still around by 1980 and some are, still today), there's what grew out of fusion/jazz-rock (covered in your selection by Steve Coleman), there's the neo-cons (Wynton et.al.), there's free jazz of many styles (Brötz and them Germans, the downtown scene - not really covered by including a Masada disc, I think, although Masada certainly deserves inclusion! - and many more local scenes... Chicago, Bay Area, whatever... much of the interesting music not coming from the US...) - it's virtually impossible to do it right for those years and I think you did a good choice for those years, all in all! I would maybe tend to be as polemic to exclude them neos, and instead include an album or two by mainstream guys who still do (did) what they always did, unlike them young ones trying to do what the old ones always did and thinking they were better at it... but that's just my opinion. And I'd be in trouble to pick one or two essential albums (but then I would not rate any Wynton as essential, either)!

Nope, didn't click on the decades yet, thanks! I only now see that "Giant Steps" is not part of the 25 (ok for me!)... as for the Lacy choice: that man's discography is huuuuuge... my preferred one would be the quartet's live set from Paris on hat, "Morning Joy". Similar for Braxton... I'm no expert, but I would tend to pick a disc that includes the quartet with Crispell, Dresser or Lindberg, and Hemingway. I see your point about Basie - but still it's a bit... asymetric, to have the full hot 5 & 7 sets (Columbia has a best of, no?) and full (well not quite complete) Ellington, while Basie only gets one CD. Maybe Atomic Basie could have been added to make up for that? But then again, there's be much more Duke to chose (whom do I tell that...). Where's Prez? Only part of the Basie package? Why not the Aladdin sides, or the Keynotes?

Very true! I'd be in complete loss if I had to pick essentials from those years. They would, though, include some of what here is called "funny rat"-stuff, rather than more mainstreamy-items as the Marsalis and David Murray... But then, why already choose essentials for those years? Probably only time will tell...

Hey Agustín! Hope all's well! I had a look at the page last night, and all in all I think it's a fine choice! Two things crossed my mind: Basie: why not have the Decca 3CD set (available in Spain cheaply, courtesy of you know who...), if you have the 3CD set for the Duke? Mingus: I'm not the biggest fan of Changes, and if there's only one appearance of Mingus, I think it should be either "Mingus Ah Um" or "Mingus Presents Mingus". Another album I'd have loved to see (but I understand it's omission, too): Max Roach's "Freedom Now Suite". Then one that I think should be on there, no matter what else would have to be skipped: Sonny Rollins "Saxophone Colossus" (or the Village Vanguard recordings)? Not much going on after 1964... I agree on all the choices of the fifties and early sixties, sure, but there's a gap after that, that "Changes" and "Headhunters" don't really close... I might go for "Thrust", or maybe even more for "Sextant" as the Herbie choice. "Headhunters" may be the big commercial success, but musically, I think "Sextant" is more interesting, and would fill that gap better, representing (some of) the best of ca. 1970 explorations in music. This all sounds a bit harsh, maybe. It's not intended to - I can imagine how hard it must have been to make these picks!

dumped by their owners???? wtf????

now this must be a lame joke... crazy, these americans

Have a good one, Brad!

All the best, Marcus!

But your discs have the most evil stickers on the right side of the jewel cases, just a 2 cm long and 5 mm wide strip... never one succeeds to get those off without any glue being left on the case! And on this photo you can see the other Italian variety that's even more evil than the small ones:

Ah, I see! So you meant the "Liberté surveillée" set!

Thanks but no thanks, I guess...

Than tell us what diffrence their is!

But then you like copy protection???

62€ and 2005-10-31 at French Amazon

No, I think it's indeed Melillo - but it's been some time since I played any of this set, so my memory may be a bit off the mark as far as whackiness is concerned...

So what's going on here? Ubu tells us he saw the Lateef (same batch, right?) in jewel case packaging. ← And he's right! At least for the GSA territory (which means Germany-Switzerland-Austria). Though the batch (Barbieri, Ayler, White, Lateef, Payne, Sanders..) was here announced as part of the LPR series it is delivered as "Impulse Originals" and is in Jewel Case Packaging!!! ← Do you (or Mike?) happen to know for sure if they use the same remasterings as are being used for the US LPR releases?

Please tell us more about this!

"Domino" has some additional tracks! Which Dylans? I miss one of the eighties discs, I think, but have had the others for 10 or more years and somehow think there's a few nice cuts on each!

Any idea Brownie when that would be ? As I'm in PAris in November for few days again, so protenially there is some chance to to catch this show. Cheers, Tjobbe ← RENE URTREGER QUINTET INVITE MICHEL HAUSSER Du Mardi 22 au samedi 26 Novembre René Urtreger (piano) Michel Hausser (vibraphone) Hervé Meschinet (saxophone, flûte) François Biensan (trompette) Eric Dervieu (batterie) Yves Torchinski (contrebasse) René Urtreger est un des piliers du Jazz hexagonal. Il a fait les beaux jours de St Germain-des-Prés et a été également le pianiste de Claude François. René a joué avec les plus grands de Miles Davis à Dizzy Gillespie sans oublier Lester Young ou Chet Baker. Les Victoires de la Musique viennent de le distinguer en lui remettant une Victoire d’Honneur du Jazz pour l’ensemble de sa carrière : Félicitations René. Son complice Michel Hausser, notre Milt Jackson national, directeur artistique du Festival de Munster, sera de la fête. Ces deux compères prendront plaisir à jouer ensemble et rendre hommage à Charlie Parker dont nous honorons la mémoire en 2005. source

Bentsy, I missed this back in July! Glad you got and enjoy the set! brownie: you seem to have had a magnificient evening there! I wish I had been there! Rhoda Scott was recorded at the Hampton jazz club... any hope for Urtreger?

← Yup, Lynch! But no on Galper - he's good, but not the guy I was thinking about. Maybe it's indeed Melillo, but being at work I cannot check!

Now that's just *plain* wrong, Sir! (sorry! ) That Berlin set is terrific, in my opinion! Beautiful acoustics, Miles in top form, the quintet in a rather quiet and explorative mood... and again: the sound: you could hear a feather drop on the floor on that recording! How I would rank the boxes I don't know. I think the acoustic ones would be on top, not because I dislike the electric stuff, but... then the JJ was a huge surprise, and I loved it, much because of its simplicity and clean-ness (as opposed to the collages and soundscapes of IaSW and BB). I love the Gil Evans box, the second quintet, the Plugged Nickel... the Coltrane of course (but I knew that stuff well before the box was out, so somehow I still don't really consider that great music part of the box... rather I think in particular sessions and albums). The 7 Steps I have but haven't made my way all through yet. True, the opening studio dates are not up to what was to come, but hey... Victor Feldman (and his tunes) I always like to listen to! And I like Coleman a lot, and loved the 1964 concert and the Antibes set long before I had the box. As for the Berlin concert, see above

I have it and like it, but it's far from the most listened or favourite set. Enjoyable bebop of the pure kind. Some sessions are with trumpet (Harrell and who again?) or trombone (Hal Crook), some are quartets. There's that whack pianist on one or two dates (Melillo, is that him?). Of course there's the rhythm team of Bill Goodwin and Steve Gilmore... a fine set I'd say, but far from essential. I look at it like this: Woods has a huge discography (tons of releases on small European labels... many italian labels, I think), and this Mosaic collects a few rarities, that most probably are just as good as all his other stuff (he's a pro, so it's all good, but it has a bit of a sameness to it, I think). The five discs of the Mosaic are about as much Woods as I need, and this is definitely a nice way to have it. On a sidenote: if it seems like I'm not that much a fan of Woods', yup, may be correct. But I heard a recent radio broadcast of Woods' quartet playing live in Zurich with the Zurich Chamber Orchestra (dir. André Bellmont - anyone here knows him?) - Woods played very very very beautiful on that concert! And the arrangements were his, too.