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picked up these two in a sale: Played the Taylor once so far, sounded ok. Haven't heard the Lowe yet. Any opinions?

Did Pujol say so? Seriously: I must correct my ideas about Fresh Sound, in this case. So they do pay royalties? But do they have access to original sources, too? Since a lot of their releases sound pretty crappy (well, older releases... when did they turn legal? Not before the mid 90s, because most discs older than that sound quite "home-made", no?) I will stand in the corner for a minute now, and I'll have to find some ashes... -_-

Not to start a fight, but there are plenty of Lonehill CDs that aren't readily available elsewhere such as one I learned about today -- Hank Jones & Tyree Glenn. This is pretty obscure stuff. Just possibly there is Japanese import, but that would be it. If you mean that it was available at one time on an LP, well ok, but that doesn't qualify as available to me. No need to fight! I don't know the whole catalogue, but I keep stumbing over re-packaged discs here all the time... maybe the (badly equipped) stores here just stock those. Anyway, even an items such as their 2CD Buddy De Franco quartet is prob. a straight rip-off. The problem is not only on their side, but also on the side of the majors who don't feel obliged to release all the music they're sitting on, for sure. I don't have an ethical problem in buying some of these releases (though I have just one Lonehill relelased, Manny Albam's 2CD "Jazz Greats of our Time"), if they're not ripping off other small labels (see the Okratone Hank Jones above, or see Definitive's Mingus forties compilation), *but* if they would wanted to be taken seriously by "serious collectors", they should at least drop those items and only release things that are either OOP for some time, or have indeed not been on CD... (only then, the crappy sound quality problem enters again, since they won't be able/allowed to work on any original tapes with their methods...)

I'm curious. Would we have the same disdain for LoneHill if they did only release albums that weren't available any other way ("legally" or not) instead of the ones they obviously rip off? Well, as far as I understand, the whole fresh sound operations (only Fresh Sound New Talents excluded) is but a rip-off operation... so yes, it does make a difference, at least for me, since Fresh Sound has a lot of good and as far as I know not available elsewhere material in their catalogue. I wonder, for instance: are the Dawn (reissued by Fresh Sound over here, I think taken care of by Biograph in the US, whatever kind of operation that is I have no idea) reissues legit? Because these are definitely great releases! But my guess is they're not legit nevertheless. What's worth special for Lonehill (and Definitive) is the fact that they only have stuff out that is/was available elsewhere, and that they (in the case of Lonehill) disguise it in an often absurd way, too. No "serious collector" can take Lonehill serious - otherwise he's but a joke!

Why all the intellellectuallo talk? Just enjoy the tune and shut the fuck up! Happy Birthday, Jim!

Thanks for chiming in, Paul. I just played "In Orbit" again and liked it a lot better, this time. Brown's micro-tones on flute are rather impressive! But then somehow the music - while I found some parts of it quite beautiful, this time around, mainly the opening two tracks and the beginning of the third, too - leaves me rather cold, has maybe got some kind of "academic" touch...

but why blame her? sure escapes me!

I've been to a store in Zurich yesterday that stocks many Lonehill & Gambit discs and they have *no*, but not the slightest of clues! They even believe actually that these "collectors' items" have been digitally remastered. They have no clue about the copy-protected CDs not actually being CDs, either. So what can you expect from the regular buyer? Nothing. People just don't know, salespersons in shops are clueless and couldn't care less, so your assessment is dead on, alas. I am not one of those that categorically stays away from any Freshsound/Disconforme/Lonehill/whatever release (except for the RCA series [but aren't those the same ones as the French RCAs anyway?], I assume, and the FSNT series, it's all ... well, now how to put it? "morally illegal"?), but I'd *never* consider buying the rip-off Mingus or anything. But, for instance, if I didn't have the Buck Clayton Mosaic, I'd certainly go for the 3CD masters release on Definitive - where else to look for it?

cousins, he he he! when we interview Werner X. Uehlinger from Hat Hut Records, he confirmed that Lonehill was just yet another Pujol outfit... I guess he having an inside view at things should know... (and he then continued to confess having bought a Giuffre release on one of those labels, stating it was one that was no out on any other outfit...)

So David seems to be the one person on the whole board who made the single one post including Guerino Mazzola's name... anybody has any impressions, any recommendations? I have recently bought "In Orbit" (Music&Arts), by Mazzola/Heinz Geisser/Rob Brown (mostly on flute, not alto). There are plans for a radio show (interview) on Mazzola, which is the main reason I picked up the disc. Gave it one listen so far and found it rather conventional and boring, I'm afraid. Sure, there's a density of some kind that is not just run-of-the-mill free jazz, but much more than that it ain't, I think. I assume Mazzola has been majorly influenced by Cecil. To that he adds his music/mathematics stuff (which I don't know a lot about, another friend of mine would cover that if we'd do a radio show with/about him), and out comes a somewhat cool, tense free music that is probably not half as free in the end, as it sounds. Rob Brown does ok, but for me, Geisser is providing most of the highpoints of this disc. and a quote from the musicandarts page: Guerino Mazzola's homepage

I like it quite some! This was the very first time I heard Smith (on my father's original, I guess, vinyl - he wasn't a fan of it and dislikes organ till today, though...)

Allen, I guess you're absolutely right... but what I meant was he's perceived as a minor figure nowadays (if he's perceived *at all*...) Oh, same for Rehak! Great player, in my opinion! The Quinichette on Freshsound/Dawn has a different cover: And yes Mike: the 2CD set collects all the tracks that have *not* been added to other CD reissues. No duplication at all, I think.

and they could advertise them as "weakest cuts... if you like these, you'll love the other of the albums which are even better!"

Actually, why don't the release some samplers with the missing tunes? I guess they could easily fill a disc or two with tracks left off of twofers! Another one that has a cut missing is the most recent Johnny Griffin ("Bush Dance"?), and I think the Joe Henderson "At the Lighthouse" (with Woody Shaw) has something missing, too... I assume there are many more. Would also be a nice teaser for people who don't yet have the twofers!

Can I join the line on the Mobley?

As for "music/style": generally hardbop, but not of the blazing Blue Note or blowing Prestige kind, rather closer to some of what Savoy did on the mid fifties. Maybe some of it is "swing-to-bop" rather than actual bop, maybe most is "bop" rather than "hardbop"... hard to put words on music...

Some of it is pretty nice! Jazzville - 2 Cds Various Artists Featuring: Dick Sherman, Eddie Mattson, Frank Rehak, Melba Liston, Gene Quill, Norm Marnell, Marty Flax, Dick Katz, Walter Davis Jr., Alex Smith, Teddy Kotick, Nelson Boyd, Paul Worthington, Art Taylor, Charlie Persip REFERENCE: DCD 114 BAR CODE: 84 27328 44114 8 PRICE: 12.00 € Tracklisting: CD 1 1. Blues For The Camels 2. Lover Man 3. Achilles Heel 4. Everything Happens To Me 5. Rubbin The Genie 6. Insomnia 7. Very Syrian Business 8. Never Do An Abadanian In 9. Zagres This 10. Donnybrook 11. Limehouse Blues 12. Darn That Dream 13. That´S Earl Brothers 14. Nothing Could Be Finer Than Mi 15. Have You Met Miss Jones 16. Body And Soul CD 2 1. Blues For Sal 2. Flying Home 3. Aaron´S Blues 4. You´re My Thrill 5. Platter Pie 6. Why Shouldn´t I 7. Ah The Pain 8. Everything I´Ve Got 9. Irma 10. Things I Love The 11. Why Was I Born 12. Suddenly It´s Spring 13. My Future Just Passed 14. Enchanted April 15. Lover Come Back To Me 16. Ain´t Misbehavin' The above info is from the Freshsound Records homepage. Disc one has Gene Quill and other minor figures, very nice music, disc two is rather obscure, at least in parts (and those parts are maybe the lesser). You have to be aware that not all four albums are included. Rather, some cuts were added to other releases. I am not sure how much is missing, but I think at least one LP side is on the Paul Quinichette disc on Dawn (which comes highly recommended! It's called "The Kid from Denver - Complete Dawn Recordings").

Hallo Mike! Alles gute zum Geburtstag! hope all's well!

I caught it on Saturday, and on Sunday it closed... I might have gone another time, if not... There were a series of great photos of events where Salomon, in fact, was not allowed entrance. Yet his photos, shot from outside of the rooms or buildings, are just as telling! The only one I can find on the www: Hats of the German Reichskanzler, his foreign minister, and hats of the french delegation, Lausanne, 1932. self-portrait, taken during a 5 minute interview done at NBC's, NYC, 1930 NSDAP politicians waiting to enter the Reichstag (no date) View from ferry at Ellis Island, NY, ca. 1932

Yes David, please tell us about those good sources! My collection of Blacksaint and Soulnote discs is still pretty thin, but here are some favourites: ** Black Saint ** 120006-2 In:Sanity Beaver Harris 360 Degree Music Experience 120040-2 FLAT-OUT JUMP SUITE JULIUS HEMPHILL QUARTET 120093-2 IN WILLISAU DEWEY REDMAN -ED BLACKWELL ** Soul Note ** 121020-2 GASLINI PLAYS MONK GIORGIO GASLINI 121054-2 REGENERATION RUDD -LACY -MENGELBERG -CARTER -BENNINK 121170-2 SEMPRE AMORE MAL WALDRON-STEVE LACY 121298-2 COMMINIQUÉ STEVE LACY-MAL WALDRON 121311-2 LES HOMMES ARMÉS GIANLUIGI TROVESI OCTET 121340-2 BALADE DU 10 MARS MARTIAL SOLAL TRIO 121350/1-2 L' INTEGRALE - CD N° 1-CD N° 2 GIORGIO GASLINI And some "good fun but nothing all that great" ones: ** Black Saint ** 120008-2 TRICKLES STEVE LACY-ROSWELL RUDD 120021-2 JUNK TRAP CHARLES BOBO SHAW HUMAN ARTS ENSEMBLE 120109-2 VOODOO SONNY CLARK MEMORIAL QUARTET 120123-2 LIVING ON THE EDGE DEWEY REDMAN QUARTET (not sure this deserves being listed...) 120182-2 FLOOD AT THE ANT FARM PHILLIP JOHNSTON'S BIG TROUBLE ** Soul Note ** 121185-2 THE WINDOW STEVE LACY TRIO 121229-2 THE PONDERER THE ODEAN POPE SAXOPHONE CHOIR (I know, P.L.M., I know... ) 121270-2 AYLER'S WINGS GIORGIO GASLINI 121282-2 THE SUN DIED ELLERY ESKELIN I also have two Glenn Spearman's that are at least good, but not being sure which ones they are, I rather don't post wrong ones... I think one is "Smokehouse", the other I'm not sure about.

Wow, most impressive! Just had a look at the whole series of photographs. Thanks for having posted that link! ***** What made me look up this thread again, in the first place, is a great exhibition of Erich Salomon's work that I saw on Saturday. Here are a couple I found with google: "Ah, le voilà" (Paris, August 1931): Aristide Briand becomes aware of Salomon being present and shouts: "Ah, le voilà! Le roi des indiscrets!" Mussolini at the Hotel Excelsior, Rome, August 1931. The exhibition grouped photographs thematically and was in fact rather astonishing. Pretty sad that he was to be gassed in Auschwitz... after having been one of the most outstanding documentarists of Germany between the two world wars, and having been on good terms with nice fellas such as Furtwängler and a bunch of politicians... but by then, I guess he was to them nothing but another dirty jew...

Belated best wishes!

Not half as good as it looks on paper, sorry to say. I'd rather like to see Stanley's first one, "Look Out!", which I've never heard. Also the Minton's dates are great, but I guess I won't downgrade from regular CD to cactus... ZT is good but not as good as one would expect, you're right. Still, it shouldn't be out of print. But Look Out is absolutely swell indeed. Good call! And while I'm here: The Rajah and Far Away Lands need to be back on the racks... Funny you should mention "The Rajah"! That's another one that gets a bad rep usually, but that one I like quite some! True about the Mobley, too... some of those old BN CDs have such an unfriendly sound that I hardly ever get them out of the shelf...

A partial concert recording of Fian's quintet with Clemens Salesny (as,bcl) from last night can be heard here for the coming week: http://www.radiofrance.fr/listen.php?pr=rt...probablement.rm France Musiques: Le jazz, probablement (Dimanche 19 février, minuit) Le quintette du trompettiste Bumi Fian, avec Clemens Salesny (saxophone alto, clarinette basse), Clemens Wenger (piano), Bernhard Osanna (contrebasse) & Thomas Froschauer (batterie), enregistré le 14 mai 2005 au festival Intönne à Diersbach (Autriche). Pretty nice band, I must add! What a pity about Fian