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Well, I say if I see CC discs cheap, I get them, but cheap in switzerland usually means roughly full US prize, so it's rather unlikely I'll buy more of those. And I'm afraid they will just re-press the CC discs, too...

Something true about this... years ago that little jazz/blues store in Zurich (closed by now) had these weird and boring-looking b/w boxes... only after reading a review of the Tristano/Konitz/Marsh and ordering that one did I realize slowly what those boring b/w boxes actually were... I guess this being 10 or 12 years back, I could have found some long gone ones there, but the prizes were insane, at 35$ per disc or similar, since they had bought them from Mosaic at the regular prize obviously. Anyway, for a few of these long gone ones, I would be ready to pay a lot, if I'd see them in a shop, could have a look at the condition etc.

This one has been mentioned before, but I recommend it again: Very nice to hear Basie sideman Al Aarons on the first date!

Featuring the late Duke Jordan, along with Gigi Gryce (who wrote five of the six tunes, the first one is by Jordan). Very, very nice one!

Well, I saw it in a store today, a few hours after I posted here... of course it's not a CD but a copycrap... I was so far from buying any Blue Notes for those two or three years they'd been selling us turds that I wasn't even aware this had been reissued. I wonder will they start selling older reissues in non-protected versions too again, or will I have to get these from the US?

Marvellous one! The LPR is good as well, but I like the VME quite a bit better.

Got "Another Workout" (first time I heard it - fantastic!), "Congregation" (my Conn LP sounds better, I think...), and "Trompeta Toccata" (had a vinyl rip, nice to have the real thing). A pretty nice batch, if you ask me. Though I wonder why they didn't bring back the other Quebec I never heard (the Conn of "It Might as Well Be Spring" is not that long gone, or at least it did pop up now and then, and it sounds fine, I think). Never had a chance to hear "Heavy Soul", so I'm waiting for that.

Marcus, check this thread for discussion of Concord deliveries: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...8102&st=600 (not that I ordered anything, but the thread was about something else, before taking that twist...)

Thanks for the info! I'm sure you keep us posted... shall we bet how low it will drop? Anything below 50 would be great! Vultures! Somehow I still wonder if Mosaic gets screwed with this deal, or how this exactly works... on the other hand, the number per box is still limited, thus if the Universal ones are gone, there will be only the Mosaic ones... though looking how slow some sets seem to sell of late, I still wonder - in the Universal sells their part and Mosaic has to quit after 10 years because of the licenses, yet there would be another 2000 in the limited edition...

The Mingus is the Chateauvallon disc, yes? Isn't speed off there? As for Bertrand's optimism: isn't it possible the the Monk/Trane could be released so fast because a) it's not just some artist's live concert, but... and b) both the Monk estate and Alice/Ravi are truly dedicated folks, not crooks in for money or other weirdos? (Eroll Garner, to some extent I'm afraid also Sue Mingus...or will she ever release some of the stuff she promised?) The situation is different from country to country. In Switzerland you have three national broadcasting companies (German, French & Italian), in Germany you have regional stations (NDR, MDR, WDR, BR, HR, SWR, etc), and each of these has their own archives (maybe the swiss stations have a common one, since the Italian one is often broadcasting recordings from the German and French ones, too). I've had a tiny bit of insight in the case of SWR when we tried to do that Basie website, some time back. They have typewritten session logs for each recording they did, and if you ask them, they will kindly provide photocopies of them - but of course no recordings, even if it's just a recent re-broadcast. These session logs, in Basie's case, show a lot of deleted material, some of which has been broadcast, some not. That's the next point, then... all these stations are likely to have space and storage issues, too... Oh, and SWR recently broadcasted some of their own Kirk recordings and threw in a few tracks from the Paris concerts that were on Esoldun... I found that rather remarkable, broadcasting bootlegs that are owned (or rather: held) by another radio station...

Thanks for confirming, I was totally unaware of that!

I have three Robertson CDs that I like: "The Legend of the Missing Link" (Splasch), with good Italian players (septet and quintet); "Elaboration" (Clean Feed), with Tim Berne et al.; and "Shades of Bud Powell" (JMT), from 1988, with a brass ensemble and Joey Baron. All of these, though, good as they are, take up a lot of space with writing and/or collective improvising and don't really expose Robertson as a player that much as I recall. But when I heard him live in NYC in 2002 -- with a group led by Mark Helias that included Mark Shim (whatever happened to him? -- a really promising player), Craig Taborn, and Eric McPherson -- Robertson got a lot of solo space and was on fire. The thing he does in particular that knocks me out is use a plunger at up tempos to alter the timbre of individual notes in already multi-noted passages, which creates the impression that one is hearing maybe three times more notes per bar than would be possible -- this being done not with any air of trickery but because Robertson can actually think at that speed. It was wild, ecstatic stuff, a bit like early Dizzy. Sounds like I ought to check him out a bit better, thanks!

You're talking about the "normal" Monk Prestige 3CD "cubebox" released a few years ago? Wasn't aware that was a K2 (I always thought I didn't own any of these at all...)

Ronald, I second that "altruistic notion" of Rooster's - just a month back I gave a friend of mine three single Hills for birthday present (the one with Hutch, the two basses date, and Passing Ships), and he was totally astonished. I played him some of my Mosaic years ago, but besides "Point of Departure", none of it was available a few years ago (and it took PoD a while to appear, too), so for someone not as dedicated to the music and not as much of a collector of jazz (he has no Mosaics, spends his - limited - funds on classical music, almost exclusively, but loves jazz as well), there was no possibility to hear any classic Hill albums if not by asking someone for CDRs.

What I know from the "early Savoy sessions" (Jazz Moods and Jazz for Thinkers) is among the very best Lateef, in my opinion. I really wish OK or whoever came around putting the "first" sessions set together, too! Somehow I always found the word "last" in the title of the released set rather strange - if there's "last" and "first", there's something missing in between - maybe even the main chunk, no?

Well, all the info I have is posted, someone needs to do the work now

Just edited my post above to make it a bit clearer - italics are unissued tunes, others have record # in bold now.

Nate, those tunes where there's an "unissued" next to them are not on the Mosaic, either, as far as I understand - for the others, the "Record [no.]" is given, and a "-" means "same as preceding tune", I assume, as usual.

Flurin, The CD-set is on Warner Bros., not Atlantic (see my post above). Sorry, my bad... I was thinking along bigger lines... TimeWarner - why don't they all merge, anyway?

Ouch! I was just finishing "This is Criss" when I posted... fine one! Now I did want to give for Chris Connor, however! Just playing this one again: Some nice things, but some rather corny tunes, too... not essential, and not all that greasy, either... at least on the first half, which is how far I've played it yet... second half is tunes by Newman (2) and Newman-McDuff (1), so it should get a bit more bite there. As for Chris Connor again: here first Atlantic album is terrific, and most of her mid-fifties albums are great. I have her Bethlehem recordings and some of these early Atlantics and enjoy them all. She's one of those rather thin-voiced, cool song-specialists... if you happen to enjoy June Christy or Peggy Lee, go for it. The missis will like it, too...

I have that Atlantic box, too. Here's the Mosaic discography (don't have the Atlantic box here to compare): I think the Atlantic spreads the sets out of sequence, no? Just going from memory... I guess the Mosaic has them in chronological order... don't have the tracklist of the discs, above is all I've saved.

Ah, I see... some pretty nice ones included, most of them I have as part of some box sets, but here are some favourites: - Kirk: Inflated Tear (essential!) - Mingus at Antibes (very good one) - Mingus: Tonight at Noon - Ray Charles: Genius After Hours, The Great Ray Charles (and all others...) - all Cotranes, of course... (some/most of them are in the US series, however...) - Mingus: Pithecanthropus Erectus (essential!) - all Ornettes (again some/most are in the US series, too) - Herbie Mann: At the Village Gate (still a great one, despite all the crap he did and the bad rep he got...) - Jimmy Scott: The Source (terrific!) - Mann/Evans: Nirvana (a nice footnote in the Evans discography) - Sonny Criss: Criss Craft Some of these could be the US versions, no? I am not sure if I ever saw Lateef's "Detroit" of MJQ's "Porgy & Bess" and a few others as digipacks. Also - if the jpgs are reliable - some others may be the US ones, too (Coltrane Jazz and Coltrane's Sound definitely exist in such editions, for instance). Anyway, for someone who doesn't own the Coltrane, Mingus and Ornette Atlantic boxes, there's plenty of nice stuff here! tjobbe, that's the Sphere I have, too, the other one I still miss.

those i have seen are (possibly german) digipacks... no piano keys That's the "Atlantic Masters" (or "Warner Masters" or "Elektra Masters"), then, I guess (the German series). As I said, they're ok, and with many fine albums, they're the only way to go, as the US series (jewel case series with piano keys) does not include that many albums (yet? hopefully!). Some fine Atlantics I have as digipacks are Roland Kirk/Al Hibbler "A Meeting of Times", one of the two Sphere albums (both are fine, it seems, but I never saw the other one), Carmen McRae's "Great American Songbook", and for those inclined to like some grease, there's "Double Barrelled Soul" by Brother Jack McDuff and David "Fathead" Newman. Oh, and Eddie Harris' "Instant Death" is a great stoopid little thingie... but those EH albums are covered better on Collectables (and on some old Rhino twofers, prob. all OOP now, alas). The two Max Roach discs, "Members Don't Git Weary" and "Lift Every Voice and Sing" are fine, too, but likely rather inessential - there's lots of better Roach around.

Which atlantics would that be, tjobbe? The only *really* good ones are those in jewel cases with clear trays and piano keys on the spine (prolonged over the inside of the traycard. I have several others, both from the swiss (? those with Claude Nobs' little note an never no recording dates given) and german digipacks - they're ok, but I only pick those up when I see them on sale...

Larry, I don't know Robertson as a leader, just from several sidemen albums, live recordings, and one concert (Barry Guy's New Orchestra) - a rather impressive technician, but as far as I am aware of his playing, sort of a role-cast player, too (high, strong, loud...) Some others: Jean-Luc Cappozzo (with Louis Sclavis' great quintet - 2002 ECM album "L'affrontement des pretendants") Stéphane Belmondo (he and his sax-playing brother Lionel did a terrific album with Yusef Lateef, "Influence", released on their own label this year - check it out!) Massimo Greco (with Gianluigi Trovesi Ottetto)