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Ha, I guess we wish so, but sooner or later we'll learn...

I got it for less on French Amazon, can't remember how much it was, but I think in the 35-50 euro range... must have been some kind of sale, but I can't remember. I agree with the statements above, sound is good, the book has an awkward format... but the music is glorious! I have no idea about what's in the Definitive box, but I think one cut (an alternate) was erroneously duplicated on the Columbia box, so it misses one alternate and has another take of that tune twice... I wouldn't know if that mistake has been corrected, it was reported to me by mmilovan.

Great prize for the Buck Clayton! I paid around 100$ for the LP version, alas I play LPs all too rarely, but it's beautiful! Bought the Jelly Roll Box for 20€ - full prize was around 110 or more, but I've been shopping a lot, so the 10% discount I could cashed in was really helpful

Bootlegs, for instance the Miles in Zurich concert that also came out on Jazz Unlimited before (KoB sextet, fantastic show).

Those are the two albums with Bobby Jones, right? I love his "Hill Country Suite" on Enja a lot (just trio, with Freddie Waits!).

That "Avantgarde" disc is alright, but I'm not sure if you'll enjoy it. It's pretty noisy run of the mill avant stuff...

Happy Birthday!

Miles/Trane I never had, but I have all of it in some form... the Fillmoe artwork is indeed great! I don't think - in my case, at least - Gambit and other companies make much of a difference, it's rather the sharing networks, where astonishing pre-fm or cristalline fm recordings turn up that happen to be better than the versions available at the times these trees were compiled.

The Mangelsdorff is also known as Now Jazz Ramwong, the version that goes as abstraction is on the Wewerka label and has a longer version of one tune that was edited on the original Columbia LP. Terrific album, couw had one cut on his BFT (way back, #7 or something). One of the first instances where european jazz of great originality was created, helluva band with a great bass player (acoustic), two sax players (as and ts/ss) and a very good drummer. They do folksy/asian stuff, weird scales, ballad, etc. mostly stuff influenced by things they heard on a tour through south-east asia in 1964, including "Three Moods", based on a Ravi Shankar theme... not able to put this more coherently now, but don't miss it, if it's indeed the Wewerka edition of what's more commonly known as "Now Jazz Ramwong" - here's the tracklist, in case it helps confirming: 1 Now Jazz Ramwong (Mangelsdorff) 2 Sakura Waltz (Mangelsdorff) 3 Blue Fanfare (Mangelsdorff) 4 Three Jazz Moods (R. Shankar-Mangelsdorff) 5 Burunkaka (Mangelsdorff) 6 Raknash (Lenz-Hübner) 7 Theme from Vietnam (Mangelsdorff) 8 Es Sungen Drei Engel (trad. arr. Mangelsdorff) Oh, the last theme obviously is a traditional, very old, german folk song... beautiful stuff!

How about the Spring 83? Too much 80s stuff, too I suppose? I joined too late to get any of them when they were originally spread, but I enjoyed the ones I got in trades a lot (L5, 1967, 1983, Belgium, I think that's all... ah, no, of course the Fillmore, too). But with today's trading/file-sharing opportunities, there are upgrades of a lot of shows from these trees floating around, so by now these trees are not as great any longer as they must have been before the internet gained speed.

And for the record: I never liked Nicholson... not even in "Shining"... fire away!

sal, nothing wrong in disagreeing with me, of course! I may be a bit harsh here, but I love "Mean Streets" that much... clem, I was talkin' of those documentaries Scorsese did for british (?) television, two 4-hour films, one about Italian cinema (only going as far as the first important Antonioni and Fellini films, but featuring lots of neorealismo stuff) and an even better one about American cinema (up to I think Kubrick and Cassavetes). His analysis may not be the sharpest, but it's really about creating enthusiasm and sharing love for these films and digging up some lesser known directors or giving props to too easily disregarded people like Douglas Sirk... definitely worth seeing, and Scorsese himself comes across as a very nice man, not full of himself at all, just enjoying all the great stuff he shows you (you can see him in between parts of films, and you can hear lots of his voice, of course... he did all the talking himself).

Drop me a PM (with your email address, or email, if you have mine) if you want my primitive home-made covers, adding composer credits and bits of Losin's info where available.

When did Scorsese turn crappy? I love the early ones (that Bickel chap and even more so the first mafia film), also "Raging Bull" and "Goodfellas" are good, "Casino" was only so-so, I thought... oh, and against all my expectations I enjoyed "Age of Innocence" quite a lot... and his two cinema documentaries are great, of course, but... of late, it seems he hasn't done anything really that distinctive. And I wonder why he sticks to that babyface Di Caprio, whom I never enjoyed the least bit.

Just in case, Losin still has no entries for the respective dates.

There was an earlier discussion somewhere, but supposedly not in a thread dedicated to it, so I can't find it with the one word only search function, so allow me to post the full info here, in a new thread. *************************************************************************************** ******************** * * * Miles in Belgium * * * ******************** Information on contents from www.Miles-trees.org A. 1957 and 1967 Total time: 77:37 1. Kees van Kooten on Miles: Friendship 00:11 ====================================== Birdland, Broadway, New York City October 1957 Miles Davis, Bobby Jaspar, Tommy Flanagan, Paul Chambers, Philly Joe Jones 2. All of You 08:26 3. Four (inc) 04:27 -------------------------------------- Peter L's entry Nov '04 October 17-30, 1957 (3 items; TT = 12:47) Birdland, New York NY AFRS radio broadcast Miles Davis Quintet Miles Davis (tpt); Bobby Jaspar (ts); Tommy Flanagan (p); Paul Chambers (b); Philly Joe Jones (d) Introduction 0:10 "Here we go, with Miles Davis and the Quintet, from Birdland, with 'All of Me'..." All of You (C. Porter) 8:16 Four (M. Davis) (incomplete) 4:21 Voiceover 4:19-4:21: "One Night Stand has come to you through the worldwide..." (fade out) 12" LP: AFRS 4448; Jazz Band EB 418 CD: Jazz Unlimited JUCD 2050 I'm unsure of the exact date of this recording. Davis was out of commission during September 1957 following surgery. Ken Vail has the Davis Quintet with Sonny Rollins, Red Garland, Paul Chambers, and Art Taylor at Café Bohemia for four weeks (August 31-September 27), but the first post-surgery engagement was apparently at Café Bohemia in mid-October (October 11-16), followed by a two-week stay at Birdland, (October 17-30). Many thanks to Chris DeVito for help with this date. Sonny Rollins left the Quintet to form his own band, probably during Davis's recovery. Soon thereafter Davis fired Taylor and Garland. For replacements he found Bobby Jaspar, Jimmy Cobb, and Tommy Flanagan. Cobb soon left, to be replaced by Philly Joe Jones. These tunes, originally issued on an AFRS transcription, were probably recorded sometime during the two-week stay at Birdland. According to Chris Sheridan, Cannonball Adderley replaced Jaspar in the Quintet in early October, and he was in place for the Café Bohemia and Birdland dates (see above). It's possible that Adderley replaced Jaspar during one of these engagements, but the saxophonist here is definitely Jaspar. Sheridan also claims that Adderley joined the Davis group for a one-night performance at Philadelphia's Convention Hall (October 19). The Davis Quintet (with Adderley), along with groups led by George Shearing, Gerry Mulligan, Chico Hamilton, and Helen Merrill, then participated in the "Jazz for Moderns" tour which lasted until late November. Some of the venues: Carnegie Hall, New York (Nov 2); Kiel Opera House, St. Louis (Nov 12); Kansas City Auditorium (Nov 13); Huff Gymnasium, Urbana-Champaign (Nov 14); Orchestra Hall, Chicago (Nov 15); Masonic Auditorium, Cleveland (Nov 16); Masonic Temple, Detroit (Nov 17); Carnegie Hall, New York (Nov 22); National Guard Armory, Washington (Nov 23). Jan Lohmann lists two additional items, "Nature Boy" (4:26) and "A Night in Tunisia" (1:30, nc), but I have not heard these. -------------------------------------- 4. Herbie Hancock on Miles : Honesty 00:26 ====================================== Koningin Elizabeth-zaal, Zoo, Antwerpen 28-10-1967 Miles Davis, Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, Tony Williams 5. Agitation @5:31.27 (= end on unedited) 05:31 6. Footprints @15:19.27 09:48 7. 'Round Midnight @23:07.18 07:47 8. No Blues @34:51.15 11:42 9. Riot @38:34.54 03:43 10. On Green Dolphin Street @47:13.37 08:38 11. Masqualero @0:56.55 - 9:58.49 09:01 12. Gingerbread Boy @16:02.27 06:03 13.The Theme @17:15.43 (TT unedited =63:34.45) 01:19 14. Miles Talks: Whatever 00:24 -------------------------------------- Peter L's entry Nov '04 October 28, 1967 (9 items; TT = 62:32) Konigin Elizabethzaal, Antwerp (Belgium) Belgian Radio and Television (BRT) radio broadcast Miles Davis Quintet Miles Davis (tpt); Wayne Shorter (ts); Herbie Hancock (p); Ron Carter (b); Tony Williams (d) Agitation (M. Davis) 5:32 Footprints (W. Shorter) 9:45 'Round Midnight (B. Hanighen-C. Williams-T. Monk) 7:43 No Blues (M. Davis) 11:30 Riot (H. Hancock) 3:33 On Green Dolphin Street (N. Washington-B. Kaper) 8:09 Masqualero (W. Shorter) 8:58 Gingerbread Boy (J. Heath) 6:02 The Theme (M. Davis) 1:20 CD: Jazzman JM 11742; Jazz Birdies of Paradise J-Bop 042; Mega Disc no number The two CD issues of this concert are confusingly different (probably due to variation in tape speed of the analog master tapes): Jazzman JM 11742: Agitation (first two notes missing), 5:32 Footprints, 9:45 'Round Midnight, 7:41 No Blues, 11:22 Riot + Applause (0:03), 3:33 On Green Dolphin Street, 8:09 Masqualero (first note missing), 8:55 Applause (0:03) + Gingerbread Boy, 6:05 The Theme + Applause (0:19), 1:19 Jazz Birdies of Paradise J-Bop 042: Agitation (inc; fade in as theme ends), 5:41 Footprints, 10:28 'Round Midnight, 7:43 No Blues, 11:58 Riot + Applause (0:03), 3:45 Applause (0:03) + On Green Dolphin Street, 8:40 Masqualero + Applause (0:03), 8:53 Gingerbread Boy, 6:15 The Theme + Applause (0:11), 1:05 The applause spliced in at the end is from a different show. The Mega Disc CD-R: is basically a copy of the Jazzman disc, though there are a few editing errors (repeated notes, wrongly-placed indexes, etc.). -------------------------------------- B. 1971 Total time : 79:52 ====================================== Palais des Beaux Arts, Salle Henri Leboeuf, Bruxelles 26-10-1971 Miles Davis, Gary Bartz, Keith Jarrett, Michael Henderson, Ndugu Leon Chancler, Charles Don Alias, James Mtume Foreman 1. Directions 10:53 2. Honky Tonk 11:46 3. Sivad 02:04 4. What I Say 10:28 5. Sanctuary 02:57 6. It’s About That Time 12:07 7. Yesternow 10:58 8. Funky Tonk 18:19 9. Miles Talks 00:09 -------------------------------------- Peter L's entry Nov '04 October 26, 1971 (8 items; TT = 82:01) Palais des Beaux Arts, Brussels (Belgium) Belgian Radio and Television (BRT) radio broadcast Miles Davis Septet Miles Davis (tpt); Gary Bartz (ss, as); Keith Jarrett (el-p, org); Michael Henderson (el-b); Ndugu Leon Chancler (d); Charles Don Alias (cga, perc); James Mtume Foreman (cga, perc) Directions (J. Zawinul) 10:45 Theme stated at 2:46, 3:52 Honky Tonk (M. Davis) 12:19 What I Say (M. Davis) 12:46 Sanctuary (W. Shorter-M. Davis) 3:06 It's About That Time (M. Davis) 12:36 Yesternow (M. Davis) 10:36 At 4:44 Davis plays with the repeating phrase that will become "Zimbabwe"; Henderson discards the characteristic "Yesternow" el-b vamp for a walking line under Bartz's solo (5:23-9:56). Funky Tonk (M. Davis) 18:43 Sanctuary (W. Shorter-M. Davis) (closing theme, applause) 1:10 -------------------------------------- C. 1982 : El Concertissimo Total Time: 79:40 ====================================== Paleis voor Schone Kunsten, Zaal Henri Leboeuf, Brussel (in Flemish, same venue as above in French) 8-5-1982 Miles Davis, Bill Evans, Mike Stern, Marcus Miller, Al Foster, Mino Cinelu 1. Back Seat Betty 11:27 2. My Man’s Gone Now Pt.1 11:54 3. Aida 12:09 4. My Man’s Gone Now Pt.2 04:43 5. Ife 13:15 6. Fat Time 09:30 7. Jean Pierre 16:33 8. Miles Talks 00:12 -------------------------------------- Peter L's entry Nov '04 May 8, 1982 (6 items; TT = 74:10) Palais des Beaux Arts, Brussels (Belgium) Belgian Radio and Television (BRT) TV broadcast Miles Davis Sextet Miles Davis (tpt, synth); Bill Evans (ss, ts, fl, el-p); Mike Stern (g); Marcus Miller (el-b); Al Foster (d); Mino Cinelu (perc) First set Back Seat Betty (M. Davis) 10:30 My Man's Gone Now (D. Heyward-G. Gershwin) 11:10 Aida (M. Davis) 15:40 Second set Ife (M. Davis) 12:50 Fat Time (M. Davis) 9:05 Jean Pierre (M. Davis) 14:55 Video: BRT-TV -------------------------------------- D. 1983 Total time : 72:12 ====================================== Koninklijk Circus, Brussel 25-4-1983 Miles Davis, Bill Evans, John Scofield, Mike Stern, Tom Barney, Al Foster, Mino Cinelu 1. Tune Up, Brussel, 1983 00:43 2. Come Get It 05:54 3. Star People 15:32 4. Speak/ That’s What Hap.. 11:26 5. It Gets Better 10:28 6. Hopscotch 08:00 7. U’n’I 12:12 8. Star On Cicely 07:39 9. Miles Talks 00:18 +DiscH_T1. Jean Pierre (inc) 17:16 -------------------------------------- Peter L's entry Nov '04 (no entry) -------------------------------------- E. 1985 - Part 1 Total Time: 76:40 ====================================== Forest National, Bruxelles 31-10-1985 Miles Davis, Bob Berg, Mike Stern, Robert Irving III, Adam Holzman, Angus Thomas, Vincent Wilburn Jr., Marilyn Mazur, Steve Thornton 1. One Phone Call /Street Scenes 03:23 2. Speak (+1) 13:10 3. Star People 07:22 4. Maze (+1) 10:38 5. Human Nature (1) 09:54 6. Something on Your Mind 10:54 7. Time After Time 09:57 8. Ms. Morrisine 11:15 9. Miles Talks: I’m Livin’ 00:24 F. 1985 - Part 2 Total Time: 58:46 Forest National, Bruxelles 31-10-1985 Miles Davis, Bob Berg, Mike Stern, Robert Irving III, Adam Holzman, Angus Thomas, Vincent Wilburn Jr., Marilyn Mazur, Steve Thornton 1. Code M.D. (1) 09:26 2. Pacific Express (inc) 07:59 3. Burn 07:18 4. Stronger Than Before 08:52 5. Hopscotch (1) 12:40 6. Rubber Band 07:41 7. Encore: Decoy (+1) 07:51 Note for 1985: "1" after a title means in this case that a soprano is heard instead of the normal tenor and "inc" means that the tune is incomplete. If "+1", both a soprano and tenor is heard. -------------------------------------- Peter L's entry Nov '04 (no entry) -------------------------------------- G. 1989 Total time: 72:49 ====================================== Koningin Elizabethzaal, Antwerpen 1-11-1989 Miles Davis, Kenny Garrett, Joe Foley McCreary, Kei Akagi, Benny Rietveld, Ricky Wellman, John Bigham 1. Perfect Way 06:03 2. Star People 14:26 3. Hannibal 07:30 4. Human Nature 11:49 5. Mr. Pastorius 07:19 6. Tutu 13:39 7. Jilli 05:40 8. Splatch 06:15 9. Miles Talks: Street 0:08 +DiscH_T2. The Senate/ You and Me 12:17 +DiscH_T3. Wrinkle 10:34 +DiscH_T4. Amandla 06:23 +DiscH_T5. Don't Stop 06:05 +DiscH_T6. BONUS TRACK: soundcheck-Wrinkle 08:22 -------------------------------------- Peter L's entry Nov '04 (no entry) -------------------------------------- H. THE ENCORES DISC Total time: 60:52 1983 1. Jean Pierre (inc) 17:16 1989 2. The Senate/ You and Me 12:17 3. Wrinkle 10:34 4. Amandla 06:23 5. Don't Stop 06:05 6. BONUS TRACK: soundcheck-Wrinkle 08:22 7. Miles Talks: Gracefully 00:09 Credits: Paul Van Oost, Axel Van Looy, Chris Verborgt -- Concept and Production Rodman and Dxy -- Miles-Trees.Org Henny Reinders -- Artwork The Belgians - Liner Notes JJ Stubbs - ReMastering Jan Lohmann -- Sourcing

Well, I know guys... Gumbo was Pony's, but those bonus tracks by Booker w/Larry Young is what I was talking about...

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Well, over here they always were expensive - even the crappiest early Freshsound discs (for instance "Charlie Mariano Plays" or "Stu Williamson Plays") with photocopied partial liner notes without credits and similar hack-jobs cost 25$ over here, unless you were lucky enough to find them in some bins. Plus, they always look like used CDs, even if they're new...

Jazz of Two Cities was on a Blue Note or Capitol CD a few years ago, paired with the famous Tristano date with those two freely improvised tunes. Great CD. "Sound of Surprise" is pretty good as well. "Freewheelin'" is in stores here, I think as a Freshsound digipack (does Lonehill do digipacks as well? Funny how those cheapo labels slowly start looking glossy... and annying that them swiss stores think those cheapo discs are worth 20$ or more!)

I assume there'd be some ballad-like Trane performances with Elvin not actually soloing but really contributing a lot to the vibe of the performances, on albums like "Crescent", "Coltrane" (the Impulse one - "Out of this World"), "Quartet Plays", and maybe even on "Sun Ship".

It seems the Booker Ervin discography is missing the session released on the CD reissue of Pony Poindexter's "Gumbo" (same title for the CD, but Ervin is listed as co-leader and his photo is on the cover, too). That *was* Booker's session, no?