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Happy Birthday!

Herzliche Glückwünsche & alles Gute! I'll play some Guaraldi later to celebrate (I have your MP3 compilation on my iPod now, but I also got Black Orpheus and the Charlie Brown soundtrack, as well as a bunch of Tjaders, some with him... and of course the Tjader/Getz! Thanks for helping me getting hooked - Tjader-wise, mikeweil was a big help, too...)

You know, I too remember seeing mainly MoJs at one store here in Zurich, but that was before I got interested in anything pre-Bird/Dizzy/Bud, alas, and once I became aware of the great series, it was too late and they were all gone! The Classics have never had good distribution here. And the duplication thing is bothersome, BUT, in my opinion: for a MoJ disc, which has thorough annotation, good sound, and complete sessions (there are not as many alternates with everyone as with Bird, be honest, usually it's not such a big annoyance to have a second take with different solos, no?), even if half of it is just duplicates of tracks I already have. But a Classics disc I would not buy in such a case, since possibly masterings are bad or at least spotty, sessions are not containing alternates, playing time is only ca. 60 minutes (if it's an archival project, why not include a date more per disc?)... I am willing to buy a quality product if I have half of its contents on lesser editions, but I'm not willing to get another lesser edition... (I know, Classics does a great job in documenting the music, but they're definitely not as good, quality-wise, as MoJ or Hep or some other labels). The blues reissue policy sounds like a great idea and would indeed make sense with jazz reissues, too! Sad it isn't so! I guess each company is just milking their Miles and Trane and Brubeck etc. and not looking any further. Power to the small companies! If Freshsound continues in the direction they're taking now, I hope for many good reissues from them, for instance! Fegh Sony if only because of Duke & Basie, fegh em! At least they do Miles near-perfect, but that's probably because they sell it better...

Was this one ever on CD in recent years? I could have picked up an original LP of it (don't remember if mono or stereo) but it was too expensive... I didn't even play it to make sure I wouldn't buy it (35$ or so).

But if you ever had a "Chronogical Classics" and an MoJ and compared them - both content-wise (MoJ had alternates and rarities, unreleased live material etc), documentation-wise (MoJ has photos, good liner notes, and a real discography for the disc, even listing soloists on each tune), one would wonder why the chronos continue to exist and the good ones went belly-up!

June 16, 1950 & September 18 or November 18, 1953 are on: March 15, 1956, I just realized, is on: so no flea market searching necessary, since I have the JiPs! March 16, 1956 is on: from the Bud Powell date, "Groovin High" is on: and "Taking a Chance on Love" in on: The fact that the third Bud/Three Bosses/Zoot cut is not on any of the three Fantasy/Pablo Powell discs makes me hope there's more coming, but with Concord now, who knows? But no trace of the 1961 on a CD, or is there a reissue?

Happy birthday! I'll play the Joe Malinga later to celebrate!

Pity then the Americans Swinging in Paris wasn't a twofer... but I'll look for it anyway. Right now playing this one: A 32jazz release that is now out on Savoy (now being... ahem, 2003 - I'm lagging behind, obviously). The crappy jazzdisco I used for the Paris dates above (it doesn't show on their start page, but there's still a Zoot disco... I assume it's not a complete one?) gives mid 80s and an unknown Philly club, while the disc gives nothing (unless in the liners maybe, but this is the first spin I give it, and I haven't read any liners yet). There's also a Zoot & Al Leftbank one that was out on Label M (short-lived 32jazz successor), as well as another one by the two on 32jazz - I have a botched version of that, one of those originally in those ugly black plactic boxes, mine was used and obviously the black thing was destroyed and I got it in a jewel case with a flimsy copy of the outside sticker of the plastic box being used as traycard. Anyway, it's called "Body & Soul" and has the trio of Jaki Byard, George Duvivier and Mel Lewis backing the two tenors, thus it can't be bad, can it?

Ok, I'll put the March 16 one on my virtual/mental list... should turn up cheap some day. No flea markets for me... the only ExLibris LP I know of is an Oscar Peterson collection from my parents... bad annotation (no line-ups given), but looks like quite solid vinyl. The one great ExLibris thing I have is a reprint/Lizenzausgabe of one of the few good Goethe editions, 20 tomes, I think

Is that the Vogue one with a quartet date from 1950 and a sextet w/Rosolino from 1953, or the later one that was reissued as part of EMI's "Americans Swinging in Paris" series? The former I have and it's good, the later I still need to get... Zoot Sims Quartet Zoot Sims (ts) Gerry Wiggins (p) Pierre Michelot (b) Kenny Clarke (d) Paris, France, June 16, 1950 V4021-1 | D422 | D428 Night and Day Discovery 148, DL 3015; Prestige PR 7817 V4021-2 - Prestige PR 7817 V4021-3 - unissued V4022-1 | D424 | D430 Slinglin' Hash Discovery 148, DL 3015; Prestige PR 7817 V4022-2 - Prestige PR 7817 V4023-1 | D427 | D433 Tenorly Discovery 149, DL 3015; Prestige PR 7817 V4023-2 - unissued V4024-1 | D423 | D429 I Understand Discovery 149, DL 3015; Prestige PR 7817 V4024-2 - unissued V4025 | D425 | D431 Don't Worry 'Bout Me Discovery 150, DL 3015; Prestige PR 7817 V4026 | D426 | D432 Crystals - V4027 Zoot and Zoot unissued * Zoot Sims Quartet Recorded in France (Discovery DL 3015) * Zoot Sims - First Recordings! (Prestige PR 7817) * Zoot Sims - Night and Day c/w Slinglin' Hash (Discovery 148, 45-148) * Zoot Sims - Tenorly c/w I Understand (Discovery 149, 45-149) * Zoot Sims - Don't Worry 'Bout Me c/w Crystals (Discovery 150, 45-150) Zoot Sims Sextet Frank Rosolino (tb) Zoot Sims (ts) Henri Renaud (p) Jimmy Gourley (g) Don Bagley (b) Jean-Louis Viale (d) Paris, France, September 18 or November 18, 1953 Toot's Suite Vogue (F) LD 170 The Late Tiny Kahn - Call It Anything - tk.2 Zoot's Suite - Once in a While - tk.3 Great Drums - * Zoot Sims Goes to Town (Vogue (F) LD 170) Zoot Sims - Henri Renaud Quintet Jon Eardley (tp) Zoot Sims (ts) Henri Renaud (p) Eddie de Haas (b) Charles Saudrais (d) Paris, France, March 15, 1956 Charlie Went to Cherbourg Le Club Francais du Disque (F) HF 95 Crazy Rhythm - I've Found a New Baby - Charlie Was in Rouen - * Zoot Sims/Henri Renaud - Night Session in Paris (Le Club Francais du Disque (F) HF 95) Zoot Sims - Henri Renaud Quintet Jon Eardley (tp -1/3,5/7) Zoot Sims (ts) Henri Renaud (p) Benoit Quersin (b) Charles Saudrais (d) Paris, France, March 16, 1956 1. Captain Jetter Ducretet-Thomson (F) 250V023 2. Nuzzolese Blues - 3. Everything I Love - 4. Evening in Paris - 5. On the Alamo - 6. My Old Flame - 7. Little Jon Special - * Zoot Sims in Paris (Ducretet-Thomson (F) 250V023) Zoot Sims - Pierre Michelot Quartet Zoot Sims (ts) Martial Solal (p) Pierre Michelot (b) Kenny Clarke (d) Paris, France, March, 1956 It Had to Be You I Giganti del Jazz (It) 8; Europa Jazz (It) EJ 1007 * Chet Baker - Gerry Mulligan - Bud Powell - Clark Terry (I Giganti del Jazz (It) 8) * Bud Powell - Europa Jazz (Europa Jazz (It) EJ 1007) The Three Bosses with Zoot Sims Zoot Sims (ts) Bud Powell (p) Pierre Michelot (b) Kenny Clarke (d) "Blue Note Cafe", Paris, France, January, 1961 Groovin' High Mythic Sound MS 6005-1 Taking a Chance on Love - Blue Bud Blues / 52nd Street Theme - * Earl Bud Powell, Vol. 5 - Groovin' at the Blue Note, 59-61 (Mythic Sound MS 6005-1, MS 6005-2) Zoot Sims - Henri Renaud Quartet Zoot Sims (ts) Henri Renaud (p) Bob Whitlock (b) Jean-Louis Viale (d) "Blue Note", Paris, France, December, 1961 Zoot's Blues United Artists UAL 4013 Spring Can Really Hang You Up the Most - Once in a While - These Foolish Things - On the Alamo - Too Close for Comfort - A Flat Blues - You Go to My Head - Stompin' at the Savoy (Savoy) - * Zoot Sims in Paris (United Artists UAL 4013, UAS 5013) Ok, I see now it's likely the very last one - has that been on CD? Or is that the "Americans Swinging in Paris"? Nope, that one's the March 16, 1956 date - has this last one from 1961 been on CD?

That one's a blast! I have it filed with my Körössy albums, so I didn't think of it when this thread was started. Anything by/with Körössy is worth having, and if it also has Zoot, all the better! Dig Ianci on "Jitterbug Waltz"! And look out for his MPS album "Identification" in any form you might be able to find it, it's terrific!

This one: It has all the sessions recorded by Pete Rugolo for EmArcy/Mercury with the cream (at least the vast majority) of the West Coast musicians from July to November 1956. The various tracks appeared on albums like 'Music For Hifi Bugs', 'Brass In Hifi', 'Reeds In Hifi', 'Out on a Limb' ... Plenty of solos by the likes of Don Fagerquist, Pete Candoli, Frank Rosolino, Ronny Lang, Bud Shank, Howard Roberts, etc... Shelly Manne is on drums throughout and Joe Mondragon is also on all tracks and provides superb bass playing! Thanks for posting some detail, I'll have to look for this! Freshsound has turned into a great reissues enterprise in the last two years or so. Before, their covers and liners and layouts and docuemtation often were rather shabby, I found... but these and recent JazzCity reissues, too, are a fine bunch!

What about the US cover is not ok?

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Oh yes, the Legrand OJC is good! If only they hadn't used an electric piano... but in the end the music is too strong that it matters! The Coral "Al & Zoot" is definitely great, maybe that one's my favourite of the duo. It was reissued on CD in the long-gone Chess Masters series, probably hard to find by now, alas. Could anyone specify a few of the Pablos? I only have "Soprano Sax" (so-so) and "& the Gershwin Brothers" (terrific). If one doesn't just want to get all of them, where to continue?

Yup, they also stole the BN layout - mainly visible on the traycards, but in the fonts, too, and also the old liners are black print on white (again with the BN RVG layout), while the new ones are white print on black... no Wolff photos, alas, and no photos at all, even though I assume on many a session someone - Esmond Edwards, Don Schlitten, or some pros - would have photographed the proceedings. Anyway, these Concord/Fantasy RVGs are a quality product, even worse they can't check the booklets before going to print!

Oh yeah, Smith's "Root Down" is great! And make sure you get the CD, it has much more music than the LP edition had!

His lone Riverside is great, so is "& The Gershwin Brothers" (next to "Soprano Sax" - don't get if you don't have two dozen others - my only Pablo so far). Then there's Al & Zoot - anything you can find is good enough! One of the finest may be "Motorin' Along", reissued in the recent Sonet/Universal series (not that recent, actually they came out in 2004). His Bethlehem album (with Dave McKenna) is fine, too. And he plays on Booker Ervin's Bethlehem album, too - quite a contrast!

Come on, give us a break! Do you seriously think a CD boot is any better? Would be the first bootlegger I'd hear that passes on any money to any rigths holders, instead of just to his own bank account.

Thanks for your offer, but the original notes are fine in that booklet, it's just the new ones that have that stupid mistake. I guess they fired the proofreader...

Many possibilities abound - not just 128. I rip mine lossless - but yes, many choices abound. I know there are many options, but is there an option to adjust the bitrate in iTunes? And if so, is iTunes a good programme to encode WAVs or CD-tracks to MP3? I use CDex at the moment, usually at 320 kbs.

Does anyone over here in Europe have "Black Talk" with a correct booklet? (not bought from the US, of course!)

Sucks! I just heard from a friend in Scandinavia that he's got the same faulty Earland booklet. Fegh em big time! Sloppy lazy asses! (Just like me, but I don't sell nothing...)

That's rather sad, isn't it? I mean I most likely picked up the only copy ever in any Zurich store (unless you go there and make them get one for you, that they do, but it often takes 2-3 months, so the internet is my way of choice, even more so since stores are much too expensive here).