king ubu

hey, wait, aric breaks copyright laws (and so do those who import to the US), over here it's perfeclty legal... nice disc, by the way, I recently picked it up! CDU via big-o link: http://www.cduniverse.com/sresult.asp?HT_S...;cart=476889664

Lester dropped his drawers, too... oh wait no, he's telling us to drop them, right? So adult music is if we drop our drawers when listening?

a sammich of Lou D. and Kenny G. or Dinah Shore and Julie? I guess that's adult music... uhm, Popper Lou, would you let me try your sammich?

Got my Condon Mob set yesterday! Played the first parts of the last disc, two great Wild Bill Davison w/string cuts (Yesterdays is sublime!), then the first of the Lee Wiley 10 inchers, the Manhattan album - terrific!

Nah, it's Eddie Vinson. Vinson wrote Four and another Miles staple... but I read somewhere that he officially let Miles have them since he was out of recording at that time, or something... But I think it was Ozzie Cadena, and Carpenter ripped him off!

Of Solal's reissued albums, I am a fan of the four volume series The Complete Vogue Recordings which is currently available. Two recommended Konitz-Solal, first one on Steeplechase, second on Hatology I have some various short bits from Jazz à Juan with Konitz, Solal and a host of others... could you please type out the exact info for me, so I can make sure I don't spread any live stuff that's on this disc? I guess I should try and get hold of the disc myself, but not right now, spent too much again, already... The hatOLOGY release of Konitz/Solal comes easily recommended, it's a very fine one - it is sold out, however, so I urge you to act fast!

well, you have my sympathy there, of course... although usually I don't drink while posting or vice versa (or I stop posting after a # of beers...)

Haarla is great! I've heard a fantastic live broadcast of her quintet (and shared it with a few of you, feel free to pass it on!) But mainly there she's on piano, no? It's been some time since I listened to it, and I haven't gotten her ECM disc.

Oh, that's very sad news I'll have to put Invitation on, too - my only Kessler so far, and indeed a very good one.

Isabelle Olivier She has two discs, both available from the Nocturne website (one of them is on the Nocturne label). I just picked up "Petite et grande" (Compagnie Metamorphose) in a sale, haven't played it yet, but I first heard her in a 2006 broadcast on France Musique (I think from the festival on the Ile de Porquerolles). This disc mostly features her Ocean Quintet, with Sébastien Texier on reeds, a fine group: At that festival she also appeared in a more ambitious/experimental set-up with a guy playing electronics, plus the violinist from her Quintet, Johan Renard.

bumping this up... a couple of weeks ago the Radio France show "Jazz Club" (a two hour live broadcast from usually a club in Paris) featured a gig of Rick Margitza's quartet. Then I also found this one in sales here: It's a bit of a pastiche kind of album, but in the end things fit together quite well. Margitza, so says the Nocturne homepage, has been living for about a year in France now, and with this, his 10th album as a leader, he pays hommage to his eastern european gypsy roots. There are some 15 musicians appearing on this disc, many of them on only a few titles, but as I said, for me it all comes together pretty well. Here's another trivia: who's grandfather has played bass with Glenn Miller and taken part in the "Bird with Strings" sessions? Of course, Rick Margitza's... (maternal, in case that matters... and he also played cello, so I guess that's what he played behind Bird)

found these in sales here: Haven't played any of them yet, but maybe I'll feel like playing some more ratty music than I did of late (thus I mostly disappeared from the thread, recently).

Derek Bailey? I haven't read his book, but even a few quotes from interviews are very insightful, I think! One of the wittiest minds of any music, ever, methinks!

Get "Aspects"!

I was being a bit harsh, but had to do, I guess, with the Sco vs. ECM comparison (I know, I know, he's on ECM, too, now... but it's DeJohnette actually who was the leader, I think). Anyway, I really, really enjoyed a recent (2006, spring, I think) live broadcast of Sco's Ray Charles programme - must be the one thing of his that immediately connected to me. Bluesy, basic stuff. And I never wanted to really put him down, I am sure he's a very able musician, to say the least - it's just not that I can connect to most of his stuff that easily (and I'm used to connecting with lots of "difficult" things, see funny rat...) Regarding the sound of ECM, it seems to me that from the older (80s) albums, those done in NYC often don't have the "ECM sound". Also there might be differences between Ludwigsburg things and the Oslo stuff (their house studio by now? But then again Stanko did his latest at La Buissonne in France and it seems it sounds different again - La Buissonne is the great studio where most if not all of the gone and regretted Sketch releases were recorded). Of am I mixing things up and Ludwigsburg is Enja only? By the way, a funny thing about ECM / Enja is, that in my opinion, Enja Winckelmann, after the split with Weber (Enja Weber) has got the far more interesting catalogue by now, not just as far as size is concerned, but he does (did?) all those "mediterranean" projects with WDR and SWR radio stations, La Banda, Trovesi's Midsummernight Dream, Michel Godard's two "Castel del Monte" discs, Pino Minafra etc., plus stuff like Johannes Enders, Rabih Abou-Khalil, Dhafer Youssef, while Enja Weber has mainly a "great black music" catalogue (his new releases go beyond that, too, though, with Charlie Mariano, Aki Takase or - also, I think - Michel Godard). Of course the "great black music" or black avant stuff needs to be documented, but by 1980 it was often just some old trad stuff and not really where things where happening. So in the end while it may be worthwhile, I don't look at it as a mistake on anyone's side not to focus mainly on that kind of music after say 1980. And another thing is that of course a label's owner often just records what he likes himself - so did Alfred Lion, so do Uehlinger (hat hut records) and Eicher. That's perfectly legitimate, although it may be hard on musicians of a lesser demanded style, but such is life. Now keeping ones old catalogue in print or doing the occasional reissue (hello, Mr. Weber!!! and to some lesser extent of course Uehlinger and Eicher, too!) I think should be done more often - sort of taking responsability for ones own catalogue and keeping to spread it, instead of turning it into collectors' stuff (as happens with hat releases, but Uehlinger simply hasn't got the means to reissue all his stuff AND do new releases, and - again, that's perfectly legitimate - he does by no account want to turn his label into a reissue label, but still sees his main focus on documenting new music and producing new releases).

Or holding marriage until good sex. busted, you sexmaniac!

hey, we don't slam chillun here!

An evolution shirt? You might be taken for a darwinist and get stoned (well yes, that's what it meant *before*, I guess) by some re-born again messiases

The film is with and about Grachan. Being shot by the person who made that documentary about Gary McFarland... So is there any footage of Grachan jamming with McFarland (possibly on Bacharach or Beatles tunes)?

The title of this thread always fools me again and makes me believe it's one about holding off sex until marriage...

(my reply to the hillbillswaps, that is... )

Maybe Enja Weber was the guy who did for the black musicians what Eicher could have done in the 70s and 80s if he wanted, over here in Europe? I don't know...

ok clem, I see what you're saying, but then I assume the music black folks tended to produce was rather not what ECM was ever looking for? There are many others, Lester Bowie's own albums, their first release which was a Mal Waldron album, a couple of never yet on CD things by the likes of Sam Rivers or Julian Priester (or has "Love, Love" finally ended up on CD?), and there was a Dewey Redman album, too? Also a Marion Brown... I guess that's in the end just not the stuff that fits the image ECM wants to have, and maybe it won't sell enough - I don't know if that's true. And in the end I don't really care - I would never nominate ECM as my favourite label or anything close to, but I still think they do worthwhile releases nowadays, just as they did in earlier years. In the end I give props to Eicher for doing his thing, for creating his own niche and being much more successfull than one (he?) could have hoped for. There's not much more I have to say about this... there are plenty of labels releasing plenty of discs, and we can lucky enough make our picks without having to endorse a whole catalogue - it's not just thumbs up or down, luckily!

Hasn't Scofield always been a somewhat boring player? I have several of his discs (the BNs with Lovano, the one with Eddie who?, Groove Elation, Quiet, Shinola, Works for Me, ScoHoLoFo, maybe even more) and I occasionally even listen to some of them, but he never really "touched" me in any way. Sometimes his stuff is fun to listen, but most often it's not interesting enough for me. The Sco-Swallow-Stewart trio live (I've known it from broadcasts, from ca. 2000 to 2006) is another deal quite often, though. But there Scofield goes for a straighter approach and Swallow works perfectly with him, and Bill Stewart is a great drummer, too...