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Of course it's good! But the selection was made from a rather limited number of discs, which does show, somewhat...

You're quite right with your name-dropping... but the difficulty is to attach the right names to the wrong tunes... Also the theme is quite obvious by now, MG of course found out, but he's the expert anyway, it's almost a bit of an embarassment that I embarked for this with him in the audience, who could have done it much better and made picks for a gazillion of discs and tapes... Anyway, I'm on vacation from July 1-16. I'll have the notebook with me but since I'm always sceptical, I'll make sure to post the replies on June 30st, just in case I can't really go online in Vienna... But of course any contributions are still welcome after that and in fact if I can go online, I'll try and post some replies to comments as well, even if the answers will be up by then.

Not BoB indeed - a lovely album I lifted this from (needle drop, but it's out on CD, too). I just love this kind of lose slightly polyphonic ensemble playing! You're correct there Stone classic stuff, I love the tenor a lot here! Correct again, of course! Not the same player, though... rather the great alto again (he's not present on #8 - that's another good alto player there...) Not Dyani, sorry. This is an overdubbed solo performance, by the way - I haven't stated this before, but maybe someone gets the idea now? Makes it all the more awesome to know this was done by just one crazy guy! He can be heard in ensembles on disc 2, by the way...

Thanks a lot, John! Time for my reactions, now... I have no clue about the editorial history of this - took it from a CD, but it's badly documented as usual with this stuff... it's from the late 50s, by the way. It's not Weston of course... but they both took their clues from the same group of people, I guess... The altoist is what makes this special, of course... he's one of the recurring musicians on this test, a great, great musician that is much too little known... This is historical material again (#1-3 are), I think never before released until when the CD I took it from came out in the 90s. Formative years... the trumpet player got quite far (everybody, actually), but here his grasp definitely outreaches his technical abilities - yet still I love that moment where he clearly loses it... I love this one! Lifted it off a compilation and it's all I have by this tenor sax player and in fact this group of musicians - have the disc on spcecial order for two months now, but with no luck... it's neither Randy nor Dollar here - but we'll get to "African Sun" farther down the line, of course, as you shall have noticed by now Fantastic alto, sure... you ought to know this! Hmmm, I liked this better than you, obviously - as far as I know (and as far as the crappy documentation on the CD goes), this is a piano - same for a few other tracks on my compilation...

Just making sure since I haven't heard back: you did get the links, yes? Hope you were able to download!

The one on the right looks like one of those fold-ups they did - pity I never bought any used vinyl of such releases when I had the chance!

Coe, Oxley & Co - Nutty (Hat Art 6064, 1983)

It's just one of the three "Go" sessions that was done the same day as the "Cannonball Adderly Quintet in Chicago" (aka "Cannonball & Coltrane"), but still it's indeed pretty much beyond grasp to do all that in one day! Now I'm getting towards the end of the Strozier dates - very fine sessions! Little and Strozier are much in the centre of attention here, but the great rhythm section of Kelly-Chambers-Cobb gives them a tremendous lift! Will take a detour to play the Strozier stuff I have now, instead of continuing with discs 5 & 6 (those trio dates again have a bit too many alternates... but this doesn't bother me much with the Strozier material, by the way!)

Ubu -- Not sure if by "what a title" you meant that "March of the Siamese Children" was an excellent track (it sure is) or an odd title for a piece, but at the risk of explaining something that you already know, if you meant that it was an odd title, "March of the Siamese Children" is from Rodgers & Hammerstein's musical "The King and I," where it accompanies the entry of the King of Siam's children, therefore it's not an odd title at all. Lawrence Kart Larry, I missed this post of yours back then (or ignored to answer) - anyway, better late than never: thanks for the explanation! (I indeed thought the tune had an odd title - didn't check on the composers and background then... but hey, I was more than four years younger than!)

Ha, I almost wanted to start a thread about Frank Strozier... good thing I didn't rely on my lousy memory and did search before.... I was playing discs 1 & 2 of the Chambers/Kelly Vee Jay Mosaic and then decided (rather than continuing with the Morgan/Shorter, after the great "Kelly Great" album was finished) to take the turn via Strozier... dug out the few discs I have and decided to play them again. Right now I'm halfway through the two sessions on the Mosaic ("Fantastic Frank Strozier") - fantastic playing by Booker Little! And of course there's hardly another rhythm section swinging so hardly and yet effortlessly than the Kelly-Chambers-Cobb unit! The discs I have are: the first is part of the Mosaic but also available on a shorter, single-disc version, the third is a twofer, combining two very fine albums, "Long Night" and "March of the Siamese Children", both originally on Jazzland. (This is definitely a Fantasy CD to look for before it's too late!) I'll get around playing the "Young Lions" album (from the Morgan/Shorter Vee Jay Mosaic) later, too, hopefully! That and Roy Haynes' "Cymbalism" (another OJC to look for, also the Haynes one with Booker Ervin!) completes what I have of Strozier's, so far. How about the other MJT discs, are they still around? Also I guess I ought to look for the Booker Ervin OJC with Strozier ("Exultation"), right? Then what about the 1964 Roy Haynes Pacific Jazz album "People"? I never even heard of of this one, just saw it in the discography now! And the "Boss Sounds" by Shelly Manne? Wow, so many things and that was one of those other short-lived Koch CDs, too... (at least a - presumably crappy-looking as usual - Collectables version was also released, I assume that one's much easier to find) I have the "Navy Swings" by Shelly Manne, by the way, but that's the only one of Strozier with Manne I have, so far... not a great but, but some fine moments there, still. Man, these discographies are pure evil! At least it reminded me also of Strozier being present on Woody Shaw's fine "Little Red's Fantasy" - another one to dig up and listen! The discography mentioned above by Mike is here: http://www.attictoys.com/jazz/FS_intro.html

Can't send them any more $$ than I do or I go broke! Funny: last set that arrived (on Monday) a neighbour picked up and even paid the custom taxes for me so I didn't have to fetch it at the post office, very kind - anyway, he asked me what I'd ordered, something "complete", and I said yeah, Max Roach, so he said, ah that big black box one, I got that, too... seems this place must have just about the highest density of Mosaic customers... ;-)

On to "Kelly Great" - wow! Philly Joe is smokin' it up here! Lee Morgan does kind of a Miles imitation, it seems, but after a few bars (talking #2 now) his sound gets harder and fuller and gets a brilliance (although it's muted) that Miles would have never gotten around that time ('59). Shorter is great as well - very distinctive from all the other tenors of that time (but then I think that's what made him the stand-out musician he still is...)

Thanks, funny enough that was the one I was able to order (from them, of course, a few days ago), and yesterday it already arrived!

Bumping this thread up and bringing it back on topic, too... I felt like playing the Chambers parts of this set this morning, and by now I'm into the album with Lateef, Fuller & Tommy Turrentine at the end of disc 2, "1st Bassman" - excellent! Lateef just kills! As for the first album ("Go"), there are three sessions, almost two discs full (the album with Lateef is very short, just half an hour) and indeed they could have omitted a few of the alternates. Cannonball is nice (I like him a lot), but Hubbard doesn't do that much for me here... strange thing and definitely opposing general opinions, I find Tommy Turrentine's solos on the "1st Bassman" album to be of quite a bit more interest!

Paul Chambers/Wynton Kelly Vee Jay, just about to proceed from disc 1 to disc 2

Interesting thread, Nate - I'm not nearly as proficient in talking about music, but I tried to post short reviews of some Potlatch discs, including the Rives solo disc you mention, on my blog: the reviews: http://ubu-space.blogspot.com/2007/06/potl...-2007-sale.html the sound samples: http://ubu-space.blogspot.com/2007/06/potl...sale-order.html I think I quite exactly know what you mean with "difficult music", and I think I agree that it's not all in the ear of the behearer. Take for instance John Butcher (I'm hardly familiar with him by now, but I'm impressed by him as an instrumentalist very, very much) - his music is so extremely nuanced and controlled, and I sense there's something of importance, yet I can't actually say I play the discs of his I have very often - yet I have an urge to play them now and then, nevertheless, and as time goes by maybe I start to get a better understanding of the music... To me, this most often applies to improv, less so to any kind of jazz, but then Mark Turner (I have his ballads album and that one's a nice one, showing all his Warne Marsh influence and his difference from all the other same age tenors) or maybe Kurt Rosenwinkel (leaves me totally cold, sorry) aren't the kind of musicians I listen all that often. Their music is too cold (and academic, too?) for my liking, just doesn't give me a lot, and there I frankly don't think there's much I'm missing... I don't get that feeling of "importance" (which is probably indeed subjective, but there has to be something in the music, inside, that makes me react that way, still).

what's wrong with this edition? http://www.magnebit.com/vsoprecords/vsop/vsop25.htm ok, I posted before reading... sound issues then - will have to play it again to judje myself, can't remember how it sounded...

I have the Lewis, Costa & Fagerquist in US editions (VSOP label) - all three are recommended!

Details for the above 1963 album: 1.Mo-Lasses 2.Blues For J.P. 3.Don't Get Around Much Anymore 4.Tunin' In 5.Sister Sadie 6.Sig EP 7.It's A Lonesome Old Town ( when you're not around ) 8.Camel Walk Woody Herman,clarinet; Bill Chase,trumpet; Paul Fontaine,trumpet; Dave Gale,trumpet; Ziggy Harrell,trumpet; Gerry Lamy,trumpet; Phill Wilson,trombone; Eddie Morgan,trombone; Jack Gale,trombone; Sal Nistico,sax; Larry Cavelli,sax; Gordon Brisker,sax; Gene Allen,sax; Nat Pierce,piano; Chuck Andrus,bass; Jake Hanna,drums; Oct.1962, New York 1.The Good Life 2.Bedroom Eyes 3.The Things We Said Today 4.Just Squeeze Me (But Don't Tease Me) 5.What Kind Of Fool Am I ? 6.Dr.Wong's Bag 7.Everybody Loves Somebody 8.Wa-Wa Blues 9.Dear Jhon C Woody Herman,clarinet,sax; Bill Chase,trumpet; Billy Hunt,trumpet; Dusko Goykevich,trumpet; Gerald Lamy,trumpet; Lawrence Ford,trumpet; Phill Wilson,trombone; Henry Southall,trombone; Bob Stroup,trombone; Andy McGhee,sax; Raoul Romero,sax; Gray Klein,sax; Tom Anastas,sax; Nat Pierce,piano; Chuck Andrys,bass; Jake Hanna,drums; Joe Carroll,vocal; Sep.9.1964, Nevada

all dutch... I only have this one (which came out in the LPR series) and the Jazz Casual DVD (three shows). Definitely will pick up a Select of this music, but I also thought that it might be kind of 2.2 CD package if it's just 5 albums of that vintage. Related: I don't understand the LP-lenght-policy stuff at all - maybe someone (Chuck?) can shed some light? For instance, the "Swiss Movement" album by McCann/Harris includes a bonus cut on its CD reissue, and the liners mention that back then, the track was omitted because it would have made the album longer than the market or whomever wanted it to be back then, in the 60s... why is that? I don't see how people would have been bothered by a 45 minute LP instead of a 36 minute or 40 minute LP, really!

Weird, all of this... The Benson/Horizon has been out and is very visible here, in all the dump-bins all the time, the Zawinul is on Warner CD (it's the one really good album of those, i assume!), while the Ogermann/Brecker has been reissued in the best of the various Warner CD reissue series fairly recently, too... I really don't get the point - unless it's making money to secure the other operations... but that wasn't really the point about Norah, back then... so there you go!

yup... nope... haven't heard much Kowald and not for a long time, so I can't comment on that

Colin, #1-4 of the second disc is just kind of an hors d'oeuvre... the real beef starts with #5! Hope you find time to continue listening soon!

Glad you like it, Colin! #7 is a rare one, there's another cut from the same album on this disc, by the way (but with a different line-up...) #9 has been identified correctly by MG - it's the title track from "African Sun" (the KAZ or Camden disc). As for #8 - the sound of the piano (that's how it goes on the CD info...) is indeed weird, but I have that sound on other SA recordings... don't know what it actually is, some weirdo harpsichord or an odd way of miking a weird piano...

yes, they are distributed and i don't know if also manufactured by Universal. they carry their logo. just repressings of the old late 80s/early 90s OJCs though. but it looks like the full catalog has been repressed. to be honest i was quite surprised when i first saw them pop up. but isn't there another thread about that? and about hoarding: i've been on some mad shopping sprees myself chasing down what i saw as old, soon to be or already OOP titles in the past. but i've had nasty suprises, like seeing them pop up some time later or while still shrink wrapped in my back log. i'm much more careful now. and what's been recommended here is well worth having. no doubt. Count me as a skeptic about your claim. Amazon.fr, amazon.com and amazon.co.uk list Don Friedman's Metamorphosis and Charles McPherson's Con Alma as OOP. I imagine there are many other titles like this. Guy You're correct to be sceptic, Guy - it's by far not the whole catalogue that's been re-pressed, but many, many of more popular titles have been re-pressed indeed. I started the other thread. I've been trying to get Don Friedman's without much luck, other artists' albums (Teddy Edwards, Jimmy Heath, Byard, Frank Foster and many, many others) aren't readily available either... I'm still trying to hoard, but I've overdrawn my bank account and will have to stop for a while now...