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Not much anti-Torme sentiment from me... favourites: the two albums with Marty Paich Dek-Tette for Bethlehem (Lulu's Back in Town, Sings Fred Astaire), the mentioned Swings Shubert Alley, and also the cheesy south of the border album "Olé Torme"... I'm a sucker for that stuff! The rest of the Bethlehem material isn't bad either... two albums from the same live gig at the Crescendo, plus a crooner album, plus the ambitious California Suite. The Paich albums are the best, though... some great solos from the band on the Lulu album, too (and what a cool song that is, anyway!)

this just to proof we're not just talking about paying... even though each of us may contribute just a bit, it might end up quite something if many of us do contribute, as has been stated before by others... 50 x 30$ would be quite a nice sum, in fact... (I don't get any percentage of it, just to make sure... wouldn't complain about that, though...)

just sent in 30$ - donation time, folks! too long I haven't donated anything... I guess this brings me up to having donated for the first two or three years...

Hey, I haven't read this all through yet, but I'd certainly be willing to pay *if* it helps/changes anything... but we'd have to hear from Jim first, maybe he just feels like not going through that hassle with all of us any longer? Anyway, I've been here from the start, I've enjoyed it a lot for quite some time, there have been better and worse times, and I think recently it was one of the later periods, rather than a great one, but still... I'd feel kind of homeless in the cybersphere if this forum was to disappear (would there be at least a way to store it somewhere, inactively, just so all the info and knowledge was still around? I see that the save-topic function is not working for long topics, it just saves the first posts and cuts off the rest... It would be too bad to see it all go!) I've made friends here with some very kind persons, have been able to stay at brownie's in Paris, have met mikeweil, rockefeller center, jug21, Tom Storer and D.D. (missing in action) in person and would look forward to meet more of you yurpeens in person - if I ever cross the channel, I certainly have to hook up with his bobness, misters Shelton, Fenton and the magniloquent one somehow... also some of the Italians like porcy & eloe, and more of the Frenchmen like recent member aparxa and more of those German chaps like Niko and neveronanyday etc. would be cool to meet in person, and there are many others living much farther away that I'd like to meet in person, too, of course! If any of you happens to drop by or stopover in Zurich (Switzerland, not Texas, Montana, North Carolina, or wherever), let me know and we'll have a bunch of beers together (wine & dine for brownie, that is!) Anyway, I can be contacted at: flurin[dot]casura[at]bluewin[dot]ch You can also check out my blog and get in touch with me over there: http://ubu-space.blogspot.com As for subscriptions, I'd be all for it... maybe it could be done some way to also allow in newbies, like, get the first month for free, get 1 month for 5$, three for 12$, a year for 30$ or something like that, and anyone could proceed as he felt like, those wanting to pay more could just do quarterly subscriptions all of the time, or pay 50$ for one year etc. I'm sure we could raise enough funds that way! And count me in among those who *usually* don't see much need for moderators, but sometimes would be happy with some *moderation* - that wouldn't get much better if we had more moderators around here, though, I'm afraid...

Thanks again... I guess I'll get "Sextet" and possibly "Ensemble", too, then... The covers are indeed good, but I'd be just as happy to have them in a twofer with one of the covers somewhere in the booklet or on the back or inside the tray or wherever it would fit...

or as an easily available alternative, there's this 2CD set by Fresh Sound: http://www.freshsoundrecords.com/search-ma...st_id=2423#4418 The first album is the Bob Gordon session (bonus on the Montrose BN/Pacific CD), the second is the main session by Montrose from teh BN/Pacific CD, and the third is the Atlantic session from the Koch CD. Mighty fine music! (I have the BN & Koch CDs, in case anyone cares.)

You (and anyone who enjoys the fine Montrose disc!) should check out this one, too, while it's still around: CDuniverse via Org-link (for less than 12 bucks it's yours!)

Could you supply any details on this Jazzbo? I guess I'd just assumed this was nothing but a compilation of stuff that had already appeared in the previous volumes of the series. I'd be interested to have some precise info about that, too - just in case someone has it ready to post.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6221226.html

And they were catering the LP fetishists again with these reissues... and what about the missing material from "The Very Best of Chet Baker Sings"? Was that the original "Chet Baker Sings" album which is entierly on "Very Best of Sings" and is still around in its old CD incarnation? Why wasn't there a new reissue of that material? And what about the West Coast Classics quartet material from 53/54? Why the hell didn't they just do something like two 2CD sets, compiling all the quartet and all the larger group stuff? And where is the strings date from "Grey December"? Has it gone lost from the new reissues? And the tracks with overdubbed saxes from "Young Chet" have gone lost, too? Anyway, thanks for clearing that one issue, Gokhan, as I'm posting from work I wasn't able to double check anything...

So the cheapest solution (getting the "Sextet" disc only) would be the best...

The 1st Gymnopédie is probably the classical piece recorded the second most often by jazz musicians - I remember a radio feature on German local hr radio listing about 20 versions by jazz and pop musicians. Hubert Laws recorded this on the CTI album "In The Beginning"; Blood, Sweat & Tears on their 2nd self-tiltled LP. Jacques Loussier made a whole CD of Satie Pieces, as did the Vienna Art Orchestra ("The Minimalism of Erik Satie"). which ("Minimalism") is one of the most special ever adaptions of classical material! yup, got that one, too... And here's another very good one, featuring Johnny Griffin on some tracks: The first of the Hubert Laws albums I've heard... my dad has (had? I once lent it to someone, not sure I ever got it back... not that big a loss anyway) got that one. Also he has (had? same someone...) another kitschy overproduced LP of Laws doing... Ravel's "Bolero", of course... Jacky Terrasson also did the Bolero (not sure if on officially released albums).

Meaning: "Sings & Plays", "Sextet", "Ensemble" and "Big Band". I have the "Very Best of Chet Bakers Sings" album which as far as I know contains all that's on "Sings & Plays", I have "Grey December", which contains the "Ensemble" (I think?) tracks, and I have the old "Big Band" CD. So I miss but the music from "Sextet", right? This re-packing of previously available stuff is so annyoing, and this is one particularly annoying case, thank you Blue Note! My question is: is it worth upgrading the releases I have by getting the new releases? I have almost all of the old US CDs, also "& Crew", "Young Chet", "Baker/Freeman" (from 1956) and "Baker/Freeman" (West Coast Classics, from 1953/54), and the 2CD set with Getz taking Mulligan's place in the later's quartet... the dates with Art Pepper I have on the Art Pepper Mosaic - never checked if there are non-Pepper tracks added on the discs that aren't part of hte Mosaic 3LP set. Anyway, is there a way to get the Sextet, Ensemble & Big Band material in a smart 2CD package, thanks to our Spanish friends or anyone else? What is the route others took? Shall I just get the "Sextet" disc as long as it's still around, and stay with the old CDs I have otherwise? (By the way, I had a 10 inch LP of the "Sextet" once, but just borrowed from a friend's father... nice stuff, for sure!) Oh, and it's possible I'm mixing up "Sextet" and "Ensemble"... with "Sextet" I mean the dates with Bud Shank, with "Ensemble" the Bokhanal-dates with Jack Montrose (almost typed JR...) - I think that's correct, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Yusef Lateef does "Goin' Home" (from some Dvorak thingie) on this great album: On this great one, there's Satie's "First Gymnopédie": And the "Volga Rhythm Song" on 'teef's "Jazz 'round the World" is another take-off from a classical (originally folk? I don't know) theme. Westbrook/Rossini is fine, btw. I got one of the Hat Hut CDs (the 2CD set, I think that's the live recording, the other being a studio production?). Enrico Rava does "Carmen": now this is *not* jazz, but John Surman and Barry Guy are involved in this fascinating disc dedicated to compositions/songs by John Dowland: Hilliard's John Potter is doing the singing, Guy's wife Maya Homburger is on baroque violin, and Stephen Stubbs on lute. These songs would be a nice base for some kind of lyrical appropriation, I'm sure.

Yeah, but it's still a bit weid. The Baker material is Barclay material, some Barclay material was part of the series, even one of the Baker albums was... it's just not the same reissue crew, I assume?

Yes, that's a bit how it seems to me, Allen. All the better he's not (yet?) hyped up all that much... But then most of the younger tenors on the scene haven't gotten to a point where they have found a real personality... (thinking of all those good guys like Redman, Javon Jackson, Speed, Potter, Seamus Blake, whoever... Mark Turner stands out somewhat, but his stuff with Rosenwinkel is so heady, it gets boring after a while... his ballads album is alright, though... nice to hear some Warne Marsh in between all those Coltrane/Rollins guys...)

So there's not much more music really than the old four discs contained? They could have done better than spreading it onto more CDs, but I guess they think we'll pay more like this? I assume it will rather lead to them selling less... 100€ for an 8CD box is way too much anyway (except maybe for the Ayler box or something similarly incredible)!

from what i have seen, that box, to be released on 04/12/07, only includes the 55-56 Barclay sessions already reissued in different forms. so how come it takes up 8 full CDs? easy, one CD per session with some only featuring 3 or 4 tracks and uncountable alt takes on others. now that's a brilliant marketing concept! i'm only missing vol. 3 ('56 sessions), which i have as a copy and would like to have as a regular release. vol. 4 i'm not interested in. i had been waiting for many years for the full barclay sessions to be reissued to make up for that gap ... but not in this way. it will cost over 100 € . sure, nice booklet and pics but loads of duplication. and the story of those Paris days has been told lots of times. i doubt there's much (if any) new info in there. and it seems not even the duos with Caterina Valente are on the box, though I don't know for whom they were recorded (not Barclay for sure, but probably some label now under the Universal umbrella). i think i'll stick to my CDR. Look here for more info: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=36969 I'm tempted but will definitely not get it all too soon... The Barclay sessions were available on foru discs, which already contained quite some alternate takes. I managed to find three of them (the elusive one that went OOP much earlier than the rest was Vol. 2, I think, I got a CDR thanks to a kind soul from this board - and half of it is on the JinP quartet disc, too). Anyway, I guess it's smarter to just live on with these, but then, as usual with nice box sets, I'm tempted as I said...

Yes, Escofferey is pretty good! I've only heard him live once, with the Mingus Big Band, but he was great there! Then I heard radio broadcasts with that very good Ben Riley Monk band, and with the Mingus Dynasty (a mid-size off-shot of the Mingus BB). I'd say he's a solid player worth watching.

Played some of the Roy Eldridge set on Sunday, including the fabulous three-trumpet jams with Dizzy and Sweets

I don't have many CDs, but "The Dried Rat Dog" is outstanding, for sure! I also have that disc on Ayler Records, but I never connected with that one so far... Then at least one more there is, by the old Brötz trio (Brötz/Van Hove/Bennink), that one's quite good, can't recall its title. Got tons of live stuff, though, including an audience taping of a beautiful solo concert... just a week ago, I had the first chance to see him live, with the power trio including Michael Wertmüller on drums and Marino Pliakas on electric bass... incredible, as far as the energy goes, but as I posted elsewhere, I wasn't really sure what to make of it...

Cables is what... Dexter's appendix? Best wishes to him, Dexter or not!

It seems they found new stock of many OOP titles, so I suggest you act quick... I just did... Some OOP stuff that's up again includes the Dizzy Reece discs, Teddy Edward's "It's All Right", Barry Harris' "Luminescence", Gil Melle etc. And don't forget to use the 10% promo code, too! (I used "CMG5" just now.)

*) except with that ridiculous trio of Susie Ibarra's w/Jennifer Choi... Interesting discussion here... I only saw Potter live twice, and both times as sideman, with Paul Motian and with Steve Swallow's "damaged in transit" trio (w/Adam Nussbaum). In the latter setting, he was terrific, really digging into the music. But from what I've heard on CDs, I can absolutely relate to the points that Nate is making... I still have three or four of Potter's discs, but rarely play them (one on Concord, the Jazzpar disc, Gratitude...), and like John said, I prefer him as a sideman - the discs with Steve Swallow I like a lot, for instance (Always Put Your Uniform on Top may my the favourite). The ones with Holland though... oh well, that's another discussion we've had, I assume...

Now He Sings, Now He Sobs Chick Corea (p) Miroslav Vitous (b) Roy Haynes (d) New York, March 14, 1968 tk 1 The law of falling and catching up Solid State SS18039, Blue Note BN-LA395, B1-90055 tk 2 Bossa Blue Note BN-LA472, (G)BST84555 tk 3 Matrix Solid State SS18039, Blue Note BN-LA395, B1-90055, (Jap)W-5510, K23P-6725, TOCJ-5633 [CD], (Indian)JAZ1, GRP GRD-5-9819 [CD] tk 3 My one and only love Blue Note BN-LA472, (G)BST84555, (Jap)TOCJ-5633 [CD] tk 1 Step - what was (intro) (*) Blue Note B1-90055 tk 1 Now he beats the drum - now he stops (body of tune) (*) Blue Note B1-90055 Note: All titles, except (*), also on Blue Note CDP7-90055-2 [CD], (Jap)CJ32-5009 [CD], Solid State (Jap)TOCJ-5355 [CD]. All above titles also on Blue Note 7-90055-2 [CD]. same New York, March 19, 1968 Gemini Blue Note BN-LA472, (G)BST84555 tk 3 Now he sings, now he sobs Solid State SS18039, Blue Note BN-LA395, B1-90055, 7-89282-2 [CD], (Can)8-56508-2 [CD], (Jap)TOCJ-5633 [CD] Fragments Blue Note BN-LA472, (G)BST84555 tk 4 Steps - what was (body of tune) (*) B1-90055 tk 3 Now he beats the drum - now he stops (intro) (*) - Note: All titles, except (*), also on Blue Note (Jap)CJ32-5009 [CD], Solid State (Jap)TOCJ-5355 [CD]. All above titles also on Blue Note 7-90055-2 [CD]. same New York, March 27, 1968 Windows Blue Note BN-LA472, (Jap)TOCJ-5633 [CD] Samba yantra - I don't know - Pannonica - , (Du)1A.158-83401/04, (Jap)TOCJ-5633 [CD] Note: All titles from Blue Note BN-LA472 also on Blue Note (G)BST84555, (Jap)CGSW-3019/20. All above titles also on Blue Note 7-90055-2 [CD], (Jap)CJ32-5009 [CD], Solid State (Jap)TOCJ-5355 [CD]. same New York, March 1968 Steps - what was Solid State SS18039 Now he beats the drum - now he stops - Note: All titles from Solid State SS18039 also on Solid State (E)USS7011, (Jap)SR-3029, LAX-3151, SR-3157, GXC-3165, Pacific Jazz LN10057. All above titles also on Blue Note 7-90055-2 [CD], (Jap)CJ32-5009 [CD]. Then come the "IS"-Sessions... The Song of Singing: Chick Corea Trio Chick Corea (p,perc) Dave Holland (b,perc) Barry Altschul (d) New York, April 7, 1970 Flesh Blue Note BST84353 Toy room - , BN-LA395, (G)BST84504 Nefertiti - , BN-LA395, (G)BST84504, (Jap)TOCJ-5633 [CD] Blues connotation Blue Note BN-LA472, (G)BST84555 Note: All above titles also on Blue Note CDP7-46401-2, CDP7-84353-2 [CD], (E)BNZ22 [CD], (Jap)CP32-9549 [CD]. same pers New York, April 8, 1970 Rhymes Blue Note BST84353, CDP7-84353-2 [CD] Ballad I - , BN-LA395, CDP7-84353-2 [CD], (G)BST84504 Ballad II Blue Note CDP7-84353-2 [CD] Ballad III BST84353, BN-LA395, CDP7-84353-2 [CD], (G)BST84504 Drone Blue Note BN-LA882, CDP7-84353-2 [CD], (Jap)GXF-3026/27, (F)2S.062-61900/01 Note: All titles from Blue Note BST84353 also on Blue Note (E)BNS40030, (Port)11C.076-83122, 183122-1, (Jap)BNJ-71062, Solid State (Jap)SR-3115, GXC-3167. All above titles also on Blue Note CDP7-46401-2 [CD], (E)BNZ22 [CD], (Jap)CP32-9549 [CD]. Circling In: Chick Corea Trio/Quartet (Circle) Anthony Braxton (as,cl,contrabass-cl,fl) Chick Corea (p,perc) Dave Holland (b,g,cello,perc) New York, August 13, 1970 Duet for bass and piano no. 1 (ab out) Blue Note BN-LA472 Duet for bass and piano no. 2 (ab out) - Dance for clarinet and piano no. 1 (dh out) - Dance for clarinet and piano no. 2 (dh out) - Chimes, part 1 - Chimes, part 2 - Note: On all issues date was incorrectly listed as October 13, 1970. Circulus Barry Altschul (d,perc) added New York, August 19, 1970 Starp Blue Note BN-LA472 73 deg. Kelvin - Ballad - Percussion piece BN-LA882, CDP7-84465-2 [CD], (Jap)GXF-3026/27, (F)2S.062-61900/01 Note: On all issues date was incorrectly listed as October 19, 1970. Blue Note BN-LA882 titled "Circulus". All titles from Blue Note BN-LA472 also on Blue Note CDP7-84465-2 [CD] (titled "Early Circle"), (G)BST84555, (Jap)CGSW-3019/20. Anthony Braxton (cl,contrabrass-cl,as,sop,fl) Chick Corea (p,vib,perc,marimba) Dave Holland (b,g,perc) Barry Altschul (d,perc,marimba) New York, August 21, 1970 Quartet piece No. 1 Blue Note BN-LA882 Quartet piece No. 2 - Quartet piece No. 3 - Note: All above titles also on Blue Note (F)2S.062-61900/01, (Jap)GXF-3026/27. Then CBS material and more: Circle 1 - Live in German Concert Anthony Braxton (reeds,perc) Chick Corea (p) Dave Holland (b,cello) Barry Altschul (d,perc) Live "Parktheater", Iserlohn, Germany, November 28, 1970 (Medley CBS/Sony (Jap)SOPL19-XJ Toy room - Q and A - There is no greater love - Note: All above titles also on Stretch MVCR-237 [CD]. Live in New York City: Anthony Braxton (as) Chick Corea (p) Dave Holland (b) Barry Altschul (d) prob. New York, 1970/1971 Nefertitti Oxford (It)OX/3005, Giganti del Jazz (It)GJ86 then comes "A.R.C." (ECM) and the "Paris Concert" (ECM) Circle 2 - Gathering Anthony Braxton (reeds,perc) Chick Corea (p,bamboo-fl,perc) Dave Holland (b,cello,g,perc) Barry Altschul (d,finger-p,perc) Live, New York, May 17, 1971 Gathering (pt. 1) CBS/Sony (Jap)SOPL20-XJ Gathering (pt. 2) - Note: Some sources incorrectly list date of this session as March 17, 1971. Both above titles also on Stretch MVCR-238 [CD].