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Oh, wow, don't have this one yet... will need it! Wasn't aware Morgan ever did such a tune, sounded very much like Silver to me (at least not only to me)

So then, the rest of disc one: #11 Sounds like some Horace Silver stuff (Psychedelic Sally comes to mind, if I don't mix that up with something else. The sax solos aren't doing that much for me, tenor is run of the mill, but alto had some good moments (escpecially the entry!), trumpet is nice, almost muted. Not sure if this actually is Silver, I couldn't tell, as my exposure to his music ends in in the mid to late 60s, while after that I don't have lots of his music. Ah, there's the piano solo... yup, should be him! Not bad at all, the jumping bass is nice (though I usually enjoy double bass more in such settings, it's just earthier and has alltogether nicer sound). So this kind of boils down to a sextet performance (Bennie Maupin on tenor? Or is that the Breckers and Randy forgot to take his compressor with him? ) with some horns during the theme... not bad. #12 Ah, now we're talking! Great! Silver was a master at that kind of stuff! This is likely hellish to play, very difficult... try tapping your foot! And yet it's striking... reductionism. And of course it grooves like hell! Trumpet is very nice, not overdoing it (while I do like some of the more shining trumpet players now and then - Brownie, Booker Little, Woody Shaw, sometimes also Freddie Hubbard - it seems we share a general like for this kind of rather restrained and lyrical trumpet players!)... hmmmm, the piano solo makes me wonder if this indeed Silver... or he just thought to do a reductionist solo for once, too? Is this the Cook/Mitchell unit? #13 Woaw! Love this tenor sound! Freddie Green again? Lockjaw? Basie? Some Basie jam? Or a later (70s) JATP thing? I need to check out more JATP anyway... Who's that first tenor? Then Roy Eldridge on trumpet, I assume, Hawk on tenor. Then Ben, rather sad to hear him so weak... still, the sound is there, and that descending vibrato thing at the end... lovely. Some glimpses of the Count and off we go (rather annoying drummer, btw... not heavy enough and not sounding good). #14 Hm, Milt Jackson with some of the older chaps? What's that tune? Reminds me of "On a Clear Day". Don't like this kind of bossa thing much, it's fake, no? And too serious to be funny "stoopid music". (Well, I guess you'll disagree here, or you wouldn't have chosen this track...) #15 More of them doorbells, infectuous! More good mainstream (that's what #14 is, don't get me wrong... I just don't think the bossa thing is very deeply in there, rather just an icing on the cake added on top of the whole performance). Trombone is what I like best here - probably some older chaps again here? Not Al Grey, by chance? #16 Nice, a piano trio to wrap up the party... Bill Evans, I assume?

Yeah, you're right... I got to play "Time of the Barracudas" again soon! Escapes me why everyone thought this was such a failure... I assume it's got to do with times and general assumptions... the period on concept albums (or just somehow planned and executed, concepted, albums) was over, the music went into searching mode...

Lon & Chuck, thanks for your replies regarding the RCA live and rare set - I guess I'll take a pass then... a rough guess would be I'm somewhere closer to having a third than to having half as much Ducal discs that Chuck thinks I ought to before jumping for that one... There are definitely more important periods I still need to get more of, such as the DETS and the other Transcriptions - that's all great music, I assume, and compared to that, this RCA box may indeed just be some kind of weird footnote...

haven't read anything here yet, but this one I find pretty good, stumbled over it in a sale... http://www.tonykofi.com/ Here's a short review from The Guardian:

Just off the top of my head, one of the best albums I've recently heard (just bought it, actually), is the solo disc of Don Friedman's in the ACT "Piano Works" series (other than that I only have the Gruntz and took a pass on the Hays). Here's the listing: http://www.actmusic.com/album_search.php?k...rds=piano+works I'd definitely be interested in hearing the Joachim Kühn, too! Maybe also the Nabatov, but then I can't really imagine him doing brasilian stuff... And here's the one I'd propose for AOTM, but then I guess no one will have it (and if we'd do a Riverside album of Friedman's, they're all OOP by now and tough to find... I have three of them, including "Metamorphosis" but didn't manage to find the other one with Attila Zoller so far):

you're welcome!

Jim, I think Fresu and Rava both did electric Miles influenced things! On the other hand, Fresu also did an album called "Kind of Porgy and Bess" (I only heard a partial live concert of that project on the radio, though), with Nguyên Lê, Antonello Salis (on rhodes, keys and accordion), Furio di Castri, Roberto Gatto and Dhafer Youssef - not the usual approach at this kind of retro/revival project. It's more just Fresu's own take on Porgy & Bess, I assume. Fresu also has his regular quintet with Tino Tracanna (ts,ss), Roberto Cipelli (p), Attilio Zanchi (b) and Ettore Fioravanti (d). They did release (or still are releasing) a series of albums, each dedicated to the compositions of one of the five members. I haven't bought any of those but heard some live recordings, and this is a fine band, with strong musical connections (they've been playing together for years). He did a similar thing with Jan Lundgren (piano) and the great Richard Galliano (accordion) recently, "Mare Nostrum". And of course he's also on the latest Carla Bley & The Lost Chords (Swallow, Sheppard, Drummond) project, and also did a tour with them in the fall. His discography is huge, check it out on his site! Here's his website: http://www.paolofresu.it/ (pretty funny one!) Oh, and one more rather interesting thing he did was playing in La Treya Quartet, a group largely/originally dedicated to the music of Fauré. They did at least one album, which I like quite some, even the pianist (Peter Waters, the only classical musicians, the others being bassist Tony Overwater and drummer Gilbert Paeffgen) is doing fine. In live shows they also played other stuff, like Zawinul/Miles things etc. And the most recent I've heard of Fresu, I actually just played yesterday: a recording by the trio of Paulo Russo (accordion), Fresu and Stefano Bollani (piano). Of course this is again more in a chamber/european direction, but as you all know, Bolland and Fresu both can get pretty funky, in the best sense of the word.

I love the box, but I've only did two full listens so far, to all of the outtakes, rehearsals etc. If you're interested in hearing how the final product has been assembled, by all accounts do get the box! If not, I'd say the individual discs would do fine (I assume they've all been filled up with alternates?)

I have not read anything yet etc. etc., played the music once, away from my collection, and did no internet browsing, just my own impressions - will post some on the rest of the disc later and won't read anything here before I've done that. Very enjoyable so far! #1 Marvellous opener... the groove reminds me of some of that stuff Yusef Lateef did in the 50s. But then the drummer... is this Art Blakey? KD? I like the trumpet solo a lot, very vocal, and the fills of the drummer are great, with that steadily jumping bass behind... a wild guess: something from "Afro Cuban", an album I've always neglected somehow? Hm, no, there are too many horns, no? Anyway, I like this a lot! Ah, now there's some highnote stuff... dizzy stuff, but not Dizzy, I assume? Baritone sax is used nicely in the ensemble. #2 On the the hand... more boppish stuff... I think I might have this somewhere... is that Ray Brown bouncing around below the band? Touches of Dameron, but more like a Gillespie big band number. Trombone is rather rough, but then that's how it was back then (I never understood why JJ and Kai were considered such a major step, as in the end among the great swing trombone players there was such variety - Dickenson, Wells, Morton, Nanton, Brown, etc - and some of them could play very fluid, too) Tenor is sort of Prez-like... I should really know who these guys are! #3 More great baritone sounds (just as there were in #2), jumpy alto... Hodges, of course! I've only just been *really* exploring Ellingtonia for the first time so I have no idea what tune this is... love the wah-wah trumpets, and then the tutti thing with the bones! Nice one! #4 Freddie Green (or a clone), NT Basie (or a clone-band)... not from their best period (which ended somewhen 1958 or 1959, I assume - not that all they did later on was bad, not at all... I love the Bond album, for instance, and the Roulette material up to 1961 or 1962 has lots of good moments). The alto is competent, not much more... the trombone is quick-fingered (Benny Powell?), tenor isn't bad (this is from when Wess and Foster were gone, I assume? Billy Mitchell possibly, though it's a bit light and not newkish enough...) - Basie for sure it is, though! #5 Back a couple of decades (or more), can't pin this down... tenor is Hawkish but not heavy enough. Trumpet... hm, doesn't do much for me, just good entertainment/background music, though a bit nervous. That short tenor break has a bit more bite, though, he could have used more of that sound in his solo. Cowbells in the drum solo... hm, I hope I'm not making a fool of myself here, but this is just fine to my ears, not much more. #6 Oh hell, you're playing games... I know that opening. Tadd Dameron tune of course - he was one of the greatest. That creamy scoring is lovely! Byas, or who's that tenor soloist? Some rather modern ideas, nice how he almost quotes "Fascinating Rhythm"... some spots make me think of Rollins but I don't know of any such big band date of his... ah no, it's Griffin, isn't it?! One of his little pet licks gave it away, and after that he starts that swaggering vocal thing with the quickfire lines... love him! So I assume this could be the Billy Eckstine band? Great one! #7 More great tenor, whew! Love it! Someone with roots rather close to Griffin's, or wait, is that him again? Solos like these do make me wonder why Coltrane had such an impact (I assume that had more to do with harmony and stuff than with speed and facility, in the end, as that was there before...) Nice trumpet, I like it this way, when it's not shiny and perfect and loud and high, rather the lyrical side. A thinking player, it seems. Strong bass, by the way. Who/what is this? Funky piano solo. Drummer takes it very easy, he could do some more, really. Pretty nice... Cool drum solo, nice that he keeps that light thing for the solo, too! The song sounds familiar... [hits back button, plays again] - Benny Golson? Hm, some spots sound a bit too wild for this to be him... weird, and yes, there are some Griff moments in those fast flurries of notes towards the end of the solo. Shit... could very well be I have this somewhere in my collection... #8 "Gemini" by Jimmy Heath (I love the performances with Lateef in Cannonball's sextet! That's were I first heard this tune). Is this a French horn? Or a trombone? Or both? Thin sound on French horn, doesn't match how Watkins sounded on his two marvellous Blue Note ten-inchers... (if it's a French horn at all). Trumpet is nice, and tenor has a great opening! Nice muscular tenor, and then there's the French horn again, thin but impressively high... good score - I won't google for it now, but I'm rather sure I don't have this. One of those late 50s hard bop big band albums? Did Jimmy Heath do one? I still have to pick up most of his OJCs (I have some on order and already have "The Quota"). #9 Change of theme? "As Long As I Live" or what's this tune? Nice groove, but too... too much in the comfort zone. Nice sound on guitar, though. #10 Less comforty, but also less to my liking, I'm afraid... thinnish guitar sound.

welcome! seeline, I did a BFT entirely centred around south african jazz recently, I think there I put links to those AAJ pages, too - indeed a very valuable source of information!

wow, no replies yet? an amazing set, for sure!

yup, just sent you a pm!

That sounds like a rather fair assessment... as for Bollani, he can indeed do it all, it seems, but... have you heard Eric Legnini? In the funky department, he's most likely my favourite European pianist, these days! And who was that, I heard it on the radio, a programme called "Il cosmonauto russo", I think there's a CD version on Label Bleu, but I can't recall the guy's name, possibly he's a guitar player... Mirabassi was also guesting there as one of the soloists, wiht a huge band and some actors and stuff, sounded really good to my ears, all together! I should have that label Blue cd, now if I could only remember under wich artist I filed it... I have a partial live recording, but I haven't edited it and hence not logged it and have no idea where it's lying around, so... let's google, here 'tis, Battista Lena, "I cosmonauti russi":

It's been mentioned over here: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=38875 I shall have to get this, but I still also need the other classic BoB albums, first... and there are a couple of other live discs available (Bremen To Bridgewater, and I think one more, also the Harry Miller Isipingo one)

Yes, that's what I mean. I've seen him a few times playing in other people's bands and he's been electrifying. If there's one live gig I'd love to hear was recorded it would be one I saw in a dingy working men's club in Sheffield about ten years back. Louis Moholo's 'Spirit's Rejoice' with...wait for it...Jason Yarde, Paul Rogers, Keith Tippett, Evan Parker and Paul Rutherford. Yarde held his own in that exalted company. As I said before, I think he's heavily involved in production - I've seen his name on some of the Dune label CDs. The concert that's circulating is a BBC broadcast from Leicester, September 30, 1999 (it seems to also circulate as an Evan Parker show, erroneously). Fine one indeed, need to dig it up again!

up - anyone?

forgot the recent blue notes box set thread here: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=38875 there's certainly more!

of course! here are some earlier discussions: generally on south african jazz: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=32699 ibrahim thread: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=4438 moeketsi thread: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3416 ogun: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17425 harry miller: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=27890 (there should also be a discussion of the miller box somewhere) mike osborne: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=36250 blue notes: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6127 mcgregor/bob: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24420 and more: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19627 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8434 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=32481 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=32957

That sounds like a rather fair assessment... as for Bollani, he can indeed do it all, it seems, but... have you heard Eric Legnini? In the funky department, he's most likely my favourite European pianist, these days! And who was that, I heard it on the radio, a programme called "Il cosmonauto russo", I think there's a CD version on Label Bleu, but I can't recall the guy's name, possibly he's a guitar player... Mirabassi was also guesting there as one of the soloists, wiht a huge band and some actors and stuff, sounded really good to my ears, all together!

Moroni... I think first I heard him on the "Ray Brown & ... pianists" CD. Then six or seven years ago I was invited some some private party where he was playing with a fine local guitar player... quite a maniac, Moroni, no? Anyway, certainly a virtuoso pianist, but somehow I never felt like following up on his work. I've mentioned several Egea albums... I have about six or seven and all are good, some better than that (notably the Mirabassi one!)

Liner 2:

Liner 1:

If I remember right, Ibrahim (Dollar Brand then) was woodshedding in South Africa while all the others went to Europe and had a ball... after that he was one of the first to leave, though, making Zurich his home for a while, and there influencing lots of local musicians and in the end igniting a whole new thing which is still going on with folks like Irene Schweizer, Co Streiff, Tommy Meier and others - for musical evidence, check out Tommy Meier's large band project (including Schweizer and many other mainstays of the local scene) that was just released on Intakt: Maybe discriminating folks would call this all just a fake, but I'd prefer thinking of it as a genuine attempt to fuse some of those south african strains and rhythms (that you can and always could hear in Irene Schweizer's piano playing) with European and American jazz. And to add one more local footnote: in November, Schweizer performed a concert with drummer Makaya Ntshoko here in Zurich (alas I missed it), so some connections are still running strong to this day.

no way I can see that happen - it's not what this site is about, plus as you said, many of those "favorite trackers" are mostly just sharing things that are commercially available, so it would be no good for the band and this board to be involved, I assume. plus, browsing is part of the fun (though I restrict myself to dime, just because of its strict rules).