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hm, just answering the second part myself... wasn't aware jazzdisco also have a hack Getz disco up: Stan Getz Quintet Stan Getz (ts) Al Haig (p) Jimmy Raney (g -1/7) Clyde Lombardi (b) Charlie Perry (d) NYC, October 25 & 26, 1948 1. C121-1 Pardon My Bop, I Dale EP 201; Dale LP 21; Spotlite [E] SPJ 140; Mainstream MDCD 722 2. C121-2 Pardon My Bop, II - 3. C121-3 Pardon My Bop, III Sittin' in with 532; Jade 702; Spotlite [E] SPJ 140 4. C122 As I Live And I Bop (Bopcycle) Sittin' in with 505; Jax 5002; Dale LP 21; Spotlite [E] SPJ 140; Mainstream MRL 364, MDCD 722 5. - As I Live And I Bop (alt. take) Mainstream MDCD 722 6. C123 Interlude In Bebop (Bopelbath) Sittin' in with 549; Jade 702; Dale EP 201; Dale LP 21; Spotlite [E] SPJ 140 7. - Interlude In Bebop Sittin' in with 505; Dale EP 200; Dale LP 21; Mainstream MRL 364, MDCD 722 8. C124 Diaper Pin (Pinhead) Sittin' in with 532; Dale EP 200; Dale LP 21; Spotlite [E] SPJ 140; Mainstream MDCD 722 9. - Diaper Pin Sittin' in with 549; Dale EP 201; Dale LP 21; Spotlite [E] SPJ 140; Mainstream MRL 364, MDCD 722 * Al Haig Meets The Master Saxes, Vol. 2 (Spotlite [E] SPJ 140) * Various Artists - Yesterday (Mainstream MRL 364) * Various Artists - A Look At Yesterday (Mainstream MDCD 722) * Stan Getz - Stan In Retrospect (Dale LP 21) * Stan Getz - Pardon My Bop c/w Interlude In Bebop (Jade 702) * Stan Getz - Bopcycle c/w Flugelbird (Jax 5002) * Stan Getz Quintet (no details) (Dale EP 201; Sittin' in with 532, 505, 549; Dale EP 200) Then Savoy: Stan Getz Octet Earl Swope (tb) Stan Getz, Zoot Sims (ts) Al Cohn (ts, arr) Duke Jordan (p) Jimmy Raney (g) Mert Oliver (b) Charlie Perry (d) NYC, May 2, 1949 S36-126 Stan Getz Along (alt. take) Savoy SJL 2210 - Stan Getz Along Savoy 966, XP 8021, MG 9004, MG 12105, SJL 1105 S36-127 Stan's Mood (alt. take) Savoy SJL 2210 - Stan's Mood Savoy 966, XP 8021, MG 9022, MG 12105, SJL 1105 S36-128 Slow (alt. take) Savoy SJL 2210 - Slow Savoy 967, XP 8020, MG 9004, MG 12105, SJL 1105 S36-129 Fast (alt. take) Savoy SJL 2210 - Fast Savoy 947, XP 8020, MG 9004, MG 12105, SJL 1105 * Various Artists - Brothers And Other Mothers (Savoy SJL 2210) * Various Artists - Lestorian Mode (Savoy MG 12105) * Stan Getz - Opus De Bop (Savoy SJL 1105) * Stan Getz Beboppers (Savoy MG 9004) * Various Artists - Birth Of The Bop, Vol. 1 (Savoy MG 9022) * Stan Getz - New Trends In Jazz, Vol. 2 (Savoy XP 8021) * Stan Getz - New Trends In Jazz, Vol. 1 (Savoy XP 8020) * Stan Getz - Stan Getz Along c/w Stan's Mood (Savoy 966) * Charlie Parker - Klaunstance c/w Stan Getz - Slow (Savoy 967) * J.J. Johnson - Audubon c/w Stan Getz - Fast (Savoy 947) Quite a mess, all of those sessions (or rather the way how they have been released... at least the Roost material was collected in a nice way!) - will have to look for that Classics disc, then, thanks!

I have the Brothers disc, but not yet the Haig... Hm, those I definitely don't have yet... was there a Savoy CD (in those Denon violet tray series, or even a later digipack one)? And what is "Sittin' In With"? I assume not the album that came out as digipack in the Universal LPR series (with Gonsalves etc)?

Am I correct in my assumption that the Play the Blues Back to Back session (and hence half of the Side by Side album) isn't included in the Mosaic? I only have those two (VMEs, glorious!) and the 3 albums on 2 CDs Verve set which has those two alternates Mosaic missed (plus a good Webster and a great Edison album).

Yes, I think that's about how it goes... I got the Berigan and Bailey when the ran low. (The O'Day was higher up, I think - but maybe that was an edition of 7500?)

my latest acquisitions, all as of yet unplayed: Jimmy Heath - The Thumper Jimmy Heath - On the Trail Jimmy Heath - Triple Threat JATP All Stars - Carnegie Hall 1949 (the set with Fats Navarro, Hawkins and Sonny Criss) Tiny Grimes - Blue Goove (w/Hawkins) Gigi Gryce - The Rat Race Blues and yesterday on sale - both Universal Yurp new pressings: Stan Getz - Quartets Stan Getz/Al Haig - Prezervation (I've had the Roost box for years and bought "Early Stan" when zweitausendeins had their ZYX/OJC sale... also have the Verve "Plays", so these two should come in handily to complete the picture of early Stan!)

a little postscript: the Dameron I have as well... and I failed to recognize it last time it was in a BFT already... but it's the one Dameron album I don't know that well yet. I love his scoring, though, those airchecks from the Royal Roost are magic - now that would be a terrific Mosaic Select! Too bad copyrights aren't just 50 years in the US... and too bad those things aren't readily around over her so some thieves could pull it all together... I managed to find three of those Rose LPs (Ult-Tadd, Ozone, whatever) and one LP from an old "Musica Jazz" magazine with a couple of additional (I think) takes, but I have no means to do good transfers... and there's duplication on those discs, they're a total mess anyway, not ordered in any way... then there's the Fantasy disc with most of the tracks with Fats Navarro in the band but no exact dates of recording given, and then there are two Jazz View boot CDs again with all the Fats material (including the short theme songs omitted on the Fantasy disc) and some more... it would be terrific to have that all compiled and sounding, say, as terrific and vivid as disc 4 of Sony's Count Basie box! And two last notes: I have most of Blue Mitchell's OJCs by now - they're a nice bunch, most of them superior to the BN albums, I think. But I'm not that familiar with them - that's why I only got Golson... And as for Heath, I've owned a Japanese edition of "The Quota" for a while now, but the others just only arrived ("The Thumper", "Triple Thread" and "On the Trail") - I'm looking forward to hearing them a lot! ("Swamp Seed" seems to be gone for good, and the big one is in the Keepnews collection, so I figured there was no need to hurry and buy it quite yet.)

Yeah, same here - I have the Webster, Terry, Jacquet, Grey and Mitchell discs... at least I did recognize Grey, but those two (to me they sort of belong together, the LPRs of Mitchell and Grey - in mood, in style, in relaxedness) are new in my collection, and the Terry hasn't been played for a looooong time. With the Jacquet, I'm indeed one who loves the two jams with Ben the most... for the jump stuff, I rather play some of the Mosaic. The Webster is good, but it never really gelled with me. At least I did recognize Bill Evans (I own practically all his recordings, but some I've only played once yet, some not at all... Fantasy and general buying frenzy to blame for that...), and also Silver, though I don't have that one... might be indeed a good Mosaic Select, to put those Silver'n albums together (would they all fit onto 3 CDs?) Oh, and now let me slab my forehead (slab is of course softer than slap, I wonder what's the problem with that? Wer'e no northern Germans who say "Appel" instead of "Apfel" and other such crazy hard things... and we don't want to get serious headaches because of too hard slaps, so we just do a softer kind of slab, you know... )

That's a baaaaaaad mofo rite there! Yes it is! But again: is this the one you (MG) mean above? I always referred to it as "Soundtrack"... Larry Goldings is on this, I think. And there's a terrific minimalist/groove bass solo on the first cut that I've always loved!

maybe here the G-ster could get an idea about chirps? parallel universes...

Maceo being this one? The only one I've owned for a loooong time (before I got into jazz at all, found this when listening to funk - Crusaders, Earth Wind & Fire, etc). The other one I have gotten sometime ago is "Roots Revisited", but I never found that one so good.

Hm, I wasn't able to dig this one yet... played bits of it now and then, but never warmed to it, really.

Interesting - I've loved "Cannonball In Europe" for a long time, he being one of the first musicians I had multiple CDs of. And "In Europe" was always a favourite, also "Nippon Soul". I only came around checking out "Jazz Workshop Revisited" in the latest Capitol/Blue Note edition, and what a letdown it was! Similar to "In New York" - both just don't ever live up to the expectations built up on the base of "In Europe" and "Nippon Soul"! There's some wild stuff on those, not just by Cannonball, but also by Lateef (his two oboe features are terrific!) and Zawinul. And the bass/drum team was of course really together by that time!

And I thought this was a thread of some board member moving from the mid west to Afghanistan or something...

And just in case you wonder: almost all of the Holman/Russo Mosaic can be found on Capitol CDs by now (someone was kind enough to provide me with photocopies of the Mosaic booklet so I could check...)

The Innovations stuff is also on the 1950 and 1951 Classics, I think (I have the Capitol 2CD set, but I remember seing the Classics in a sale a few years ago and I checked them just to be safe - should be almost identical - not sure Abeille still has their sale going on, and not sure these are still in print, but it may be a cheaper way - don't ask me about sound issues, though...)

Doesn't Ventura play bass sax on one of Dizzy's Philips dates from the early '60s? Memories from school days. Yep. 'Dizzy On The French Riviera'. A nice cameo spot for Ventura. Included on the Mosaic Dizzy set. gee, sometimes I really wish I was as old as you

So how are those Baby Grands? Are they as great, wild, freaking crazy, as the Groovin' at Smalls set? That one's still THE best ever Smith did, in my opinion! So much going on in there!

Ok, embarassingly off on #7, but otherwise... I've never heard that album Hawk did with Thad, didn't even know it existed... but I'll have to look for that, even more so as I like Eddie Costa a lot as well! I hope I didn't make too much of a fool of myself...

ok, here we go - the usual disclaimers apply - played once, not checked with my collection, not googled around to spoil the fun, just typed as I listened... great compilation, very, very enjoyable! #1 - Hm, sounds familiar... Hawk w/Roy? Some Granz thing from the late 50s or the 60s, I assume? Terrific groove going on! Or is this from the Opera House Verve disc? Got to dig that up again... very nice! Would make sense, as the pianist isn't likely Oscar Peterson, and on that Opera House date they have John Lewis, I think? Could well be him. #2 - Nice! Love it when there's that soaring soprano over a band (like, for instance, Jerome Richardson flying on top of the Jones/Lewis band - but that's not them?). Hm, tenor is nice and meaty... very good one! Baritone is too soft for it being Pepper Adams, no? No clue here, but I love it! Soprano is the best of this! #3 - Great Song! I *love* Cole Porter! No clue who's singing here, but that bass line/arrangement thing is stolen from someone else's arrangement, I think!? Pretty nice! No clue who the singer is, but I like both the singing and the arrangement here. #4 - Good alto sax intro, vocal quality - I like that! Eddie Vinson? Bit of a thin sound (I like my alto heavier, usually), but very flexible and not too straight (I'm sometimes rather quickly bored by straight, always in-tune altos...). This more an R&B track (yeah, rhymes and beats, or what do my contemporaries think R&B is?) - might be a recent one, though... BB King's great Louis Jordan tribute album comes to mind (it's not from that of course), where Hank Crawford, Fathead and Marcus Belgrave did a marvellous job doing the horn parts. Yeah! Some might find this awkward and quaking, but hey, it's honest, that's what counts! Great! #5 - Under the influence of Prez... "Falling in Love with Love" done straight... wonderful song! No clue who this is, but I like it a lot! The drumming produces an upbeat forward-driving momentum. Ah, nice 'bone! Soft and vocal, great! Nice how the drummer almost goes into marching band stuff during the fours... I have a feeling I should know both the tenor and the trombone, but I don't dare guessing here... trombone at some spots reminded me almost of Teagarden, in its smoothness, probably one of the old swing/big band guys (Al Grey? I guess not, though...). No clue about the drummer or the pianist. Good one! #6 - Yowzah! I prefer the second tenor, that swagger thing just gets me... it's not Griff this time, though, is it? No clue about this one, but again I feel I should be able to give names to both tenors... #7 - Creamy stuff... the arranging style sounds very familiar, John Lewis? Hmm... shit, what's that tune again? Not Lewis, I think. Very nice how it builds up and the sort of starts racing! Great ensemble performance, and very well recorded, too, with all the voices/lines audible! Hm, the basss sound during the tenor solo gives this away as a recent recording (sound quality too) - I guess this is a Dameron thing done by Lovano's Nonet? The slightly dispatched tenor could well be him - I'm not a big fan, but yes, I like him some, he does some good stuff and he's an impressive player (even though clem likes to pee on him), despite not being the most original or individual player. #8 - Oy, this one I know, what is it again? Very nice one! Ah, it's from Sonny Clark's "Leapin' and Lopin'", isn't it? Long time since I played that disc... I love this one! That groove is so smooth, add the rocking, bitchy theme on top, with Rouse's big rough sound... great one! ("Voodoo", isn't it? There's a great cover version on the Zorn Clark Memorial album on Soul Note! They almost overdo the groove there... and Zorn gets into a wild, freaky solo). Lovely stuff! Rouse is great, and I always cherish the ability to hear any Tommy Turrentine - now there's a truly underrated musician, in my opinion! Poison, that trumpet solo! The sound is so good! And the spareseness of the arrangement and Clark's comping makes it all the better - yeah, there goes that upward slide - great stuff! And plink plink plink goes Clark, building up those long sinewy lines only to end up doing some more of his riffing stuff (almost Mal Waldron post-stroke!) - this is truly great, an absolute classic! #9 - Another great song... though it's an original this time, and it's by one of the greatest of them all, Tadd Dameron - "If You Could See Me Now", right? Trumpet is brassy, open, good sound. Good one, but I have no guesses at all here... #10 - Hm, at first I didn't like this, but after the opening it gets better... or rather my ears started to adapt to it... nice how this combines the "plastic" and thin electro sound with the breathing big, natural sound from the horns. No clue what it is or who the soloist are, but the trumpet pulls out his Dizzy stuff, yet only at half of Dizzy's speed (so that's why it can't be Faddis ) The rhythm is a bit too monotone/dense for my liking #11 - Oh Yeah! Preaching... reminds me of Mingus (Ervin's break on Better Git it... on the "Ah Um" album). Is this some boot/audience recording? Whatever it is, the sound can't put any damage to the groove, which is totally infectuous! I assume this is another tenor I should know... some of the sliding quick-fingered runs sound like they could be done after Benny Golson, but I assume this is either a younger musician, or then one of those old dinosaurs from Chicago? Hm, I can't understand a word of the announcement, alas... great performance! And out we go with another tenor solo cadenza, lovely! And impressive! That must have been a smokin' set! #12 - Ooops, back a few decades in style (not in date of recording, though...), into Satchmo territory - Braff? More smooth trombone... very good! Not stuff I play all that often, but simply because it's an area rather new to me (I used to shrug off all of that mainstream/retro stuff for quite some time, but I got to hear some good things by now and realized there were many very good musicians honestly playing such music... took me a while to appreciate, though...) #13 - More rhymes and beats, then so be it... very nice, though I haven't got the slightest cue... rocking tenor obbligato, and solid solo, too... doing some honking, but never overdoing it (oh hell, and what if, it's fun!) - I'd love to hear more of this (in fact I'd love to hear more of almost all the stuff included so far!) #14 - Hm, what's that tune again? Wow! This is fast, and yet it sounds so easily pulled off, laid-back... nice thing the drummer pulls off during the opening theme! Now this alto *almost* falls into the "too straight to do much for me" category (impersonated, I guess, by Phil Woods... though he, too, did some good stuff!). No clue here... an ok performance, but one of my lesser favourites. But still it sucks that I can't identify the tune... somehow I repeatly thought of "Mack the Knife", but of course it's not that. #15 - The lady returned from shopping groceries right when I started playing this an hour ago... so again, playing it now... the tune sounds familiar again and I have a hunch that the answer won't be a big surprise... but I can't figure it out. It's a bit too flowery and too embellished, but it's not bad at all. Is this the grunting guy? Could well be him... Hm, I never quite understood the bashing, as he did many things I like (although I'd never think he's such a wonder as the press would make one believe he is...)

Jim, I'm not quite sure I understand you correctly, but I try to answer nevertheless. To play the music that's on the HD, I need to hook, the HD up with my computer - there would be devices (interfaces? something like that anyway, but I'm no tech wise-guy) that would allow to play the music from computer HDs (internal or external, I assume) on your hifi set, but then I have no idea how that really works. As for saving data from broken HDs, I assume it could in most cases be done easily, but as no one does it, they want a sh*tload of money, and that's not worth it, usually. Hence having two HDs with synchronized contents is the smartest way to go (and if one goes down, quickly get another and copy all that's on the still working one to the new one...).

I was wondering... but then I thought I didn't say anything that interesting, so I guess you just skipped that Once again, it ain't Sweets, but I agree with your sentiment! well, Little Jazz would be Roy... but then I didn't play it again, so I don't know more than I did when posting this... HA! Fooled someone else with the sax player! Yeah, I saw that... so it's the Vice Pres? Or did Smith do other sessions with sax players? I don't have anything but the Getz tracks on Getz' Roost set and the one Verve Elite disc, still need the Mosaic some day... ah, yes, I have one of the Roost albums with backing guitar, bass and drums, too (part of the Mosaic, but it cost almost nothing...) Not from that album, but from the same session. Good call! Ah, glad to hear that, so it's from "Side by Side"... I have that one, too, but "Back to Back" is a long-owned, much-loved one, and I was somehow wondering if really I couldn't remember this one...

And just for the record: I quite like the Getz/Mulligan album!

Ok, I don't know Ventura that well yet, really... from the sessions on the Mosaic I got the impression he was a natural doubler (tripler, quadrupler, whatever). Another one: Harry Carney on alto sax

Well, it's not that this *has* to happen, of course... I have dozens of back-up DVDs, and it got to the point where it got so time-consuming, and when then I also discovered some reading issues, I just decided to cut that madness and burn audio-CDRs (I did back-ups of live shows, my own recordings and torrents of live material, too) and if something just got lost or EAC couldn't extract it any more... well, so be it, I still have several other thousand discs to listen to...

Yeah, that's what I mean. I overread your earlier post about that before, sorry. To me it's not an issue as I use the external drives simply for storage, not to play the music, at least not so far... if I'd ever consider doing that, I'd definitely go the route of having, say, to 500 GB drives which I'd regularly synchronize. But so far, I only quickly plug the external drives in to put stuff on them or get stuff from them onto the ipod or onto the computer to edit or whatever, never to play things.