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just picked up two packages from the mailbox - three more OJCs: Clifford Jordan "Bearcat" & Johnny Griffin "Do Nothing 'Til You Hear From Me" from Newbury's and the first of two from DVDlegacy (via Priceminister - finally!), "Jackie McLean & Co." Now waiting for the Charles McPherson w/Carmell Jones from the same DVDlegacy/Priceminister order... and of course for the big Mosaic package with the Hodges and Prima/Manone!

Yes, those twofer album reissues are indeed strange... we discussed them before, somewhere. About the Getz sessions: Quartets and Prezervation are among the re-pressed Universal/Concord OJCs, I got both in that incarnation. They're a mess. I assume I'll eventually piece the instrumental tracks together chronologically onto a CDR. Or make a 2CDR set including the Brothers session and the Raney one from "Early Stan". Those, to me, would have been ideal sessions to sort out for reissue, instead of reissuing the old chaotic albums, but I guess to the album fetishists, even those paste jobs are holy...

that would be a great idea, really... for instance a 2CD set of the Gryce albums w/Williams (I struggled to find all of them for a while, they're fine!), or they could do something about the Jackie McLean sessions (though most of us will have most of them by now, I guess...), or even less obvious/famous guys like Bennie Green, hell why not!? I still need to get "Very Saxy", I confess... that's one of the effects of discs being around forever: I feel no urge to get them - in fact I behaved like that with much of the Fantasy catalogue, and my wallet and to some extent stomach suffered quite a bit in the last year as I was trying to catch up as good as possible before the Condord raid really hit. A short but very positive PS: the yurpeen distributor (UMG) of what was the Fantasy catalogue is still occasionally re-printing titles that pop up in sales here (and in sales only, they don't have them in stock, they are clueless anyway, but so am I in this case, as there's no good and up to date info about these reissue activities on the web, as far as I know), anway, those of late included the great "When Farmer Met Gryce", which is a rather unobvious choice, I'd say... of course it's not done with RVGs compression, either, just the old OJC complete with the OJC-logo on the front cover, but with a different serial number on the tray and back of the booklet, and with the UMG logo on there somewhere, too. I must own at least 50 of those UMG-Fantasy (for the sake of simplicity... they're actually Prestige, Riverside, Pablo, Contemporary, whatever labels) reissues by now.

ok, we discussed it before the stupid intermezzo in page 2 - now I got "The Way It Was" (plus "Smack Up"), finally, and I see that while in contains two alternate takes from the 1956 session, it misses "Avalon", "Warnin'" and "Stompin' at the Savoy" from that date's quintet session. What's the deal with it? So once more I'm glad I did get the pirates' version, too (in this case Lone Hill's "Complete Free Wheelin' Session", which also contains the sextet part of the session with Ted Brown (and Jeff Morton in Gary Frommer's place on drums). Here's the listing from jazzdisco.org: Why doesn't "The Way It Was", at least in its CD incarnation, include the three missing titles?

Thanks, Mr. Swede! So disc 1 is almost completely covered by the cheapo box I have, but the rest would be new, and of course a much nicer package... will have to think about it!

last night: parts of several discs of the Verve Bird box (the big one - starting from the earliest sessions, leaving out the JATP ones... the string dates are glorious!) now: just found this, for less than the prize of one new nice-prize-disc! just popped in disc one, swinging stuff indeed!

That Hayes is a good one! Scored lucky at a used music store on the way home from work: Eugen Cicero - Swinging the Classics on MPS (3CD) Art Blakey - Live at Club St. Germain 1958 (2CD) Clayton / Tate - Buck & Buddy (OJC) And all that for roughly 25 euro-zlotys! And upon arriving home, the latest CDU package was waiting, as well (Art Pepper's "The Way It Was" and "Smack Up" plus the JSP Eddie Lang 4CD box) Not a bad day... (except for the wasted 9 hours spent at work before)

I generally avoid them, too - except for some Conns that I found in sales for good prizes. That RVG I'd never have bought, would I have been aware that it was a copy crap disc, I'd not have bought it at all...

As far as I know there's no such law in Switzerland... but I don't really know. Anyway *all* the discs had the copy thing in the inside tray plus on the outside tray, too - this Hubbard one (the one with sextet/septet sessions, three dates in all, some additional/not on lp tracks) had the "new" layout, normal outside tray, empty space (or rather just black) on the inside of the spine where the copy protection logo was located - that "non-disclosure" was what annoyed me most. I'm sure the store would have taken it back without even trying not to, but I simply didn't notice in time... I use EAC - as I said, the drive doesn't even notice there's a disc in it... and as Claude pointed out above, it seems EMI's european cactus thing was different from what was used in the US.

This is the 10CD set in question: http://www.membran.net/Serien/Wallet_Box-S...guine_2943.html As usual with that series, it comes with just track listings, no other information. (btw: The Lionel Hampton is decidedly NOT to get - it contains only 30-35 minutes of music per disc, rather ridiculous!)

Ok, so I have that cheapo 10CD box of Shaw's, which covers - with very few exceptions - the whole run of Shaw's studio sessions up to mid 1945 (many sessions done that year). Where to go for the remaining parts? Too bad the box doesn't leave out some of the older strings tracks and continues further into the 40s! Anyway, Classics have two volumes, 1945 and 1945-46, but both are OOP. Amazon lists an expensive 3CD set: http://www.amazon.com/1944-1945-Artie-Shaw...2851&sr=1-1 What's this one? A collection of V-discs / broadcasts, or a set with studio material? And is there any way to get the small group session with Tal Farlow and Hank Jones?

So if my drive just doesn't recognize the discs, that's it until I have my next computer... fine - can I get replacement CDs from EMI yurp? Isn't it my right to be able to rip my legally bought CDs to my ipod? And what's even worse, one of the Freddie Hubbard RVGs I only bought because the cover had no signs of copy protection, but when my CD wouldn't read it, I had a closer look, and right there on the CD itself is that effing copycrap logo. Nice one, folks! I should have brought it back, problem was it had been a year or so since I bought it, so what's one going to do, except utter some nasty words about the music business dicks?

Hold down the shift key as you close your CD tray to disable autostart. Once the disc is in there, any ripper will "see" it. Hm, I have autostart disabled anyway - the computer sees no disc, neither does EAC.

Hey, I hope it all gets solved in time, Conrad! I'm not sure why in that one test track the publisher/record label was mentioned, I couldn't find such a field when I checked in the tagging programme we use... weird! But that, after all, wouldn't be such a big issue, on portable devices that field doesn't exist anyway, just for those actually listening on their computer, it might be a possible pointer towards the answer.

...on the other hand, the great 1944 session for Savoy with "Blue Lester" is missing...

crap, I have the Pony, Redd, Eardley and Strozier... the Pony and Eardley though are among the ones I should actually explore more (or rather: play a second time...) thanks a lot for this great compilation!

ok ok, but can one your smartasses tell this long-time EAC user how to rip those effing yurpeen EMI cactus craps? I've never been able to do that, my computer simply doesn't even notice there's something in the drive it should read...

Gee, I fully agree with the rants above (I posted such a rant in another thread when the news about this box first was out, or maybe it's in this thread, even?) - anyway, this shall be a marvellous set, and you know what? Prez is God, and I don't care if I have his stuff three times... I have all of the small group sessions in some form or the other (CDRs of the two Blue Moon 4CD sets, the Aladdin and Savoy 2CD sets, the Verve box, the GRP KC disc, another Definitive KC disc... the Basie America's Band #1 set), but this here will be a definite collection of the dates done for Columbia. Only one slight letdown there still is: the #1 set should in this case have omitted all the small group sides w/Prez (as far as I remember it contains almost all of Basie's Columbia small group sides, and I appreciate a lot having the 50/51 octet sides there, and in such great sound... otherwise though except for the phenomenal live sessions on discs 4 - which duplicate one of the few Basie Masters of Jazz discs I was able to find in time - there are comparatively too few of the great big band sides... as do others, I'd wish to have the full run, but then this Prez/Basie set practically rules that out, unless one takes the pirate route and just rips off Definitive or some such label... that's the one letdown that remains - it will be a terrific Prez documentation, I'm sure, but it's once more not doing justice to Basie (and Mosaic already did three fine Basie collections, too bad they didn't do that right this time, too!)

Hm, I guess I just did too much free associating, but then I can't help it...

I've wondered about that already when this thread was started, but what's the relation of this band to Abdullah Ibrahim? Or did they just pick a bad name and weren't aware of him? And just for the record: I like Ray Anderson a lot!

last night: Bird Savoy/Dial 8CD set, discs 7 & 8 (the last Savoy dates - marvellous!), then Savoy Live 4CD set, discs 1-2, where I'll be continuing shortly

Wow, I certainly wasn't aware of that, Larry & Chuck! What's the closest recorded evidence existing?

Also had the second McDuff Legends of Acid Jazz in the mailbox today (one album with Bill Jennings, one with Harold Vick & Grant Green) edit: it's called "Brother Jack" (title of the album with Jennings, also contains "Goodnight, It's Time to Go")

found a used LP by Helen Humes, "Helen" (Muse MR 5233), with Joe Wilder, Buddy Tate, Norman Simmons, Billy Butler, George Duvivier and Butch Miles it can't be too bad...

Congratulations, Conrad! Have one on me tonight! :party: