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Maybe he was a little of each. I only had the one experience, and he was on a downhill trajectory of which we all know how it ended. I love his music, too, BTW, glad we got to play once, and am sorry he was in such bad shape when I ran into him. Re this 'genius' bit: Don't know if he was a genius. Depends on one's definition, I suppose. The only one I encountered in my life as a professional to date was Jaki Byard. He was really ahead of the curve in his thinking and I saw him in action as a band member for 1 and 1/2 years. Nothing short of brilliant, I am convinced. I guess Tom Harrell probably is one, I met him a few times and never worked with him, but I know what he can do, and he probably does qualify. To hear Phil Woods tell it, there's no question. Joe Cohn has amazing ears and is a thrilling improvisor and can put thirds under a fast complicated melody he's hearing for the first time. He can play back what you just played, the exact voicings. Every musician in the know in NY knows what he can do, myself included. Does this make him a genius? Not sure. Woody Shaw was a powerfully creative and vital musician. And he was very advanced at a young age. Isn't that enough? I didn't want to start a discussion of "genius" actually... and in fact I don't mind, as it is - as you say - a very difficult thing to define. And certainly Woody is enough for me! More than enough, really, he was a terrific musician and his music continues to enrich my life! (As for Harrell, the night I caught him live in 2006 was sort of hard to take... but in between he made some stunning music - it was really like him struggling his demons in front of an audience, having trouble navigating through his own (marvellous!) themes, but as soon as they played something simpler (a few standards), he absolutely shined and made his band look like schoolboys in comparison, he really went places! A fascinating musician, to say the very least!)

Should keep you occupied for a day or so. Rather for months, to be honest, but the prize was right, plus these are all labels that aren't regularly distributed here (lots of Justin Time in the sales bins, too - a friend of mine bought the Billy Bang disc from that concert done by Lazaro's radio station, with Frank Lowe! Glad he bought some of the good stuff, too, or else I'd have bought even more...)

I forgot to list this one here: Mental Strain at Dawn: A Modern Portrait of Louis Armstrong It's by our own Allen Lowe and features Doc Cheatham, David Murray, Loren Schoenberg and others. Years ago I once passed by the Woyzeck disc of Allen's in a used store... but back then I had no clue who Allen was, I was interested in Büchner though but out of money...

Thanks for having changed the title/subtitle - I was among those who were bothered by it as well. And about that long post on Jaco - was Woody Shaw really one of those huge-ego-persons who considered himself being a genius and all? I mean I don't know that much about Woody the man/person (I love his music though), but from the bits of footage I've seen and from what I've read, he was much more of a tragic character than an a**hole, but what do I know... somehow the impression I have of Shaw, and the impression I have of Jaco's, they don't really fit together much.

Coitanly! Hope you contribute whenever you get a chance to. Thanks Dan!

I can relate to that, Chris! I guess I'm just shying away from changing anything about my computer set-up... and honestly I'd much rather go for a new 500$ notebook that can do all I need, rather than change system, learning it all anew AND pay much more (I'm afraid I need a new notebook soon, but I actually can't afford it... or rather: I prefer buying music...) Anyway, Linux would be a smart option, too, I gather (and a nice one image-wise).

Is anything not ok with the old CDs of "The Long March"? Or am I just a lucky bastard for having them?

so they're deep? I always had a hunch that "deep" was indeed two...

and that was not bought today, but rather in three devastating visits at the shop...

bought a huge bunch of stuff in a local sale... including: Steeplechase: Joe Bonner "Suite for Chocolate" and the trio with Johnny Dyani/Billy Higgins Hilton Ruiz "NY Piano" and one of the albums with Frank Foster Louis Smith's first one (w/Rouse) a trio set by Argonne Thornton, a quartet (w/vibes) by George Cables Michal Urbaniak's "Songbird" Doug Raney Quintet (with Rosengren) Storyville: the Hugh Lawson, Benny Bailey, Turk Mauro and Richard Wyands discs from a few years back Reservoir: Barry Harris' "In New York" and a trio set of Hod O'Brien's Black Saint/Soul Note: Gaslini's "Lampi" David Murray "Body and Soul" Charli Persip "No Dummies Allowed" one of Fred Ho(un)'s discs Fresh Sounds: Curtis Amy's 90s album Eddie Bert's "The Human Factor" that "The Wild One/Private Hell 36" disc and a terrific live album by Bill Perkins on a label I've never seen before (from LA with John Tirabasso) and the Red disc by Charles Davis/Barry Harris (Davis is also on the Reservoir disc by Harris) and some more I forgot now... and now I'm completely broke, but this sale was just too good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fq3-p_1u1Q

Dan, if you do it by download, I'll gladly get the links, but I can't promise I'll actually contribute in time - I'll try though!

I think I've seen others with dates that don't make much sense, can't recall which one(s) it was (were) though. But I don't have many early FSR-CDs. Some are done extremely sloppily, with liners copied from various sources in various sizes of print and stuff like that (the Mariano Plays or the Williamson Plays, I think). Not a bad idea that they reissue their own releases with new numbers and new booklets/design, even if they're otherwise identical (I've not made comparisons of sound though, but as they don't have access to any masters...)

well, porcy is from a country where the public role models (such as Mr. Berlusconi) are thieves and liars, so I guess porcy follows their example and only "owns" pirated software, he he now about the whole apple thing... I confess I've been a Windows user always, and as long as it all works and I can do all my music processing stuff, I really don't feel like changing and having to learn all new about two dozens of programmes to do the same things I'm doing comfortably on my Windows computer... also I know, that's totally opposed to the cult factor you get with this i-stuff, but I don't feel sentimental about computers, I look at them as a means and hence don't want to pay for design and cult...

Caught the Sun Ra Arkestra (dir. Marshall Allen) on Saturday night - wow, what an experience!

Gee... I mean it's totally ok not to allow file-sharing here, but a mere discussion of labels that aren't "legit" in the US should certainly be possible, no?

Gee, I don't think I'd have access in Switzerland to that book... but this sounds indeed very sloppy on JU's part! Thanks for your additional info... will look around, maybe one of the big libraries has that book.

Man, you can start almost anywhere and find lots of heavy stuff. I'd do a single disk or double disc. . .I'd start with some later masterpieces like "Plays W. C. Handy" or the two cd set "Autobiography." Amazing stuff, great sound and playing. Just for the hell of it, these recordings need your love. The Ellington/Armstrong (definitely the 2CD version with alternates and rehearsals!) would make a great entrance point, too!

"Demon Chaser" looks interesting! Maybe also the new Eskelin/Parkins/Black (but maybe I'll just decide I have too many of their discs already...) But this here is getting a bit ridiculous, no? I mean re-mastering stuff from the ongoing series? Why not just print another 2000 or 3000 of hatOLOGY 518? Or rather this brings up the question: what's wrong with the previous discs (hatO 518) that it's in need of remastering?

maybe they have some kind of long-term license... but a Verve Giuffre set could well focus on the albums he did before the Trio (those are around and you'd need "Free Fall" to complete them and that one's not on Verve anyway... also of course you'll need the great two-disc set on hatOLOGY with a pair of concerts!)

cover: and the tracklist: I'm Gonna Move To The Outskirts Of Town Infantry Blues (Back Home Again In) Indiana You Run Your Mouth And I'll Run My Business All For The Love Of Lil Honest I Does How Deep Is The Ocean My Baby Said Yes (Yip, Yip De Hootie) Bounce The Ball (Do Da Dittle Um Day) Get Me To Kansas City Let's Make An Effort Let's Operate I Lost My Sugar In Salt Lake City I'm Just The Blues I Wonder Stretch My Shoes The Willies Bobby Socks Stomp Small Town Up Jump The Devil In A White Nightgown You Be You But Let Me Be Me That 'll Just About Knock Me Out Let's Make It A Date Ridin' In The Upper Berth Don't Worry 'Bout That Mule Ham On Rye Next Bus Please You've Got To Get It Johnny Hep Cat

Can anyone help me here? This disc seems not to be listed in the discographies, even more, several of the songs I searched for seem to be completely unlisted... I'd love to get some approximate info even, if there's no exact to be had. The CD booklet just says "(1940-1946) Recorded in the 40'ies using the usual Decca personnel. Dates and exact personnel is not available and no attempt to identify the musicians has been made." I know JU has an ok standing here (though I personally still am not entirely convinced they're not operating in a grey-ish area... that of course does not affect their parent label!), but this seems pretty cheap... Any help would be appreciated! As for the "usual Decca personnel" from 1940-46, here are the personnel listings for those dates: Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (as,bar) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (fl,cl,ts) Clarence Johnson (p) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d) Yack Taylor (vcl) New York, January 25, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl,talking) Kenneth Hollon (cl,ts) Clarence Johnson (p,talking) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d,tymp) Daisy Winchester, Mabel Robinson (vcl) prob. Kenneth Hollon (vcl) New York, March 13, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl) Kenneth Hollon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, April 29, 1940 & September 30, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) or Kenneth Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Charlie Drayton (b) or Henry Turner (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, January 24, 1941 Freddy Webster (tp) Louis Jordan (as,ts-1,vcl) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Henry Turner (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, April 2, 1941 Eddie Roane (tp,backing vcl) Louis Jordan (as,ts,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Dallas Bartley (b) Walter Martin (d) Chicago, Ill., November 15, 1941 & November 22, 1941, New York, July 21, 1942 Eddie Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (as,ts-1,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Shadow Wilson (d) Duke of Iron, Sister Rosetta Tharpe (vcl) Los Angeles, CA, October 4, 1943 Eddie Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Al Morgan (b) Shadow Wilson (d) New York, March 1, 1944 same, but Slick Jones (d) replaces Shadow Wilson New York, March 15, 1944 Idrees Sulieman (tp) [ Leonard Graham (tp) ] Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Freddie Simon (ts) William Austin (p) Al Morgan (b) Alex "Razz" Mitchell (d) New York, January 19, 1945 Aaron Izenhall (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Josh Jackson (ts) Wild Bill Davis (p,arr) Carl Hogan (el-g) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Eddie Byrd (d) New York, July 16, 1945, July 18, 1945, October 15, 1945, January 23, 1946, June 26, 1946 Aaron Izenhall (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) prob James Wright (ts) Wild Bill Davis (p,arr) Carl Hogan (el-g) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Joe Morris (d) [ Christopher Columbus (d) ] New York, October 10, 1946

A radio station, a producer, musicians (dozens!), heirs (several dozens), agents.... or in short: lawyers, lawyers, lawyers - I'd love to see this material officially released of course, but chances are minimal from how I understand the situation about releasing radio material.

I agree, what I'm referring to is what I read about Parker dates and Parker being pissed about Jordan not being a reader and sometimes playing unfitting stuff (in Parker's opinion). I think that's what I read in the liner notes to the Savoy 5LP box (those notes are reprinted in the Savoy/Dial 8CD set). It's that lyrical tough of his that's great, definitely! This week, I played that Steeplechase disc of his with Chuck Wayne, Sam Jones and Roy Haynes, "Misty Thursday" - his touch there is great, maybe a littler harder but his lines and his sound is so clear-cut, really marvellous!

Bik Bent Braam played here two weeks ago... I missed it, but I'll try and catch the Sun Ra Arkestra on saturday! Will have to check out Mr. Hawkins' videos at home, yt is blocked here...