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Complete (I assume!) on Columbia: Vols 1-10, 1936-1941: https://www.discogs.com/Count-Basie-The-Complete-Count-Basie-Vol-1-To-10-1936-1941/release/5689548 Vols 11-20, 1941-1951: https://www.discogs.com/Count-Basie-The-Complete-Count-Basie-Vol-11-To-20-1941-1951/release/10553541 "Spartan" is accurate, there's a paper sheet of four pages included (twice 12x12 inch) with a few photos, line-ups, tracklists (incl. master nos.) and info on original issues (I guess, there's either just one issue mentioned or there's the remark "Okeh/Columbia unissued master". Arrangers and vocalists are listed by track (though arranger info is incomplete - not sure all track without it are head arrangements, possibly so). I guess this is not the best way to listen to the music (I've got the Chronos for that, but I miss one or two, I think, and never got around to buying all the Neatwork discs with the alternate takes), for instance Vol. XVIII Side B has six takes of "Wild Bill's Boogie" (arr. Buster Harding) and then "Fla-Ga-La-Pa", a vocal by Ann Moore. And yes, as the dates 1936 and 1951 indicate, these boxes included the small group stuff (Jones-Smith Inc. from 1936; octet from 1950, as well as the first 1951 date by kind of a pre-NT band - the Octet is complete - not sure about alternates? - in the "America's No. 1 Band" set, and the 1951 big band date is included, too - again not sure if all four masters are present, the LP box includes just master takes for this final session). Vol. 11 btw. opens with "Feedin' the Bean" from April 10, 1941, a session covered in the first box, but "recently turned up"). -- For RCA, I'm also sticking to the Definitive set I bought some 20 years ago ... there was a superior Japanese edition though: https://www.discogs.com/Count-Basie-RCA-Years-In-Complete/release/15146556

Much simpler - it's really just straight "Indiana", played by the trumpet with plenty of embellishments. Plain and simple. Sometimes these things need more than one attempt It really does bug me that we have no clue who the trumpet player might be ... and the drummer sounds pretty characteristic, too. Well yes, I guess that's like the Mosaic sets manufactured by Sony and other labels of origin ... no idea how those deals worked, but they are (were) fairly common, it seems.

Some comments: #1 - labelled "Cecil's Back Home" (Payne) starts with a tiny bit of noodling, then a boppish line w/trumpet lead that sounds vaguely familiar (prob. based on a well-known/then-popular song) #2 - labelled "Outta My Head for You" (Payne/Kelly) is a ballad feature for Payne, no trumpet, incomplete (segues right into #3 on disc) #3 - "Confirmation", the Parker tune (info is correct), almost complete, again programmed to segue into the next track (guess that's what the odd remark on the backcover hints at: "Continuous: Time as whole rather than selections." - and I guess the "compiled" in "Compiled by Aubrey Mayhew" is meant in a quite literal sense). #4 - "A Night in Tunisia", the Gillespie tune - wrongly labelled as "Kelly's Rhythm" (Kelly), incomplete again #5 - labelled "Sounds of the Soul" (Kelly/Payne) is just a short segment (35 seconds) of an exalted lady talking to an off-mic dude. #6 - labelled wrongly "52nd Street Theme" (Monk), but this is a ballad feature for the brassy trumpet player that I am familiar with but can't quite pin down right now. Payne plays some backings that sound almost tenor-like, but he goes deep a couple of times ... and someone sitting close to the taper is kinda singing a long for parts of this. Rough cut and some tape warble at the end, but this is complete. #7 - "Keys of Kelly" (Kelly) this is not, it's another familiar tune, a bebop one I think, but alas I got so bad with recognizing tunes in the last years (too much classical plus no practicing myself for 10+ years now), at around 4:40 the speed starts lagging for close to 20 seconds, around 4:58 it picks up speed again but I'm not quite sure it's stable or picking up even more speed as it goes on. The same happens again during the piano solo #8 - "Layin' Down" (Payne) starts with a few piano notes that seem unrelated (Monk?), five seconds in it cuts to "our" tape again. After Payne we get a bass solo, no trumpet here, incomplete again, and there's an extremely rough edit around 4:53, and then we get "52nd Street Blues" for a moment, but at 6:10 there's another very rough edit ... shining trumpet playing the final bits of "Body and Soul" (I think) with Payne in the background. So this final one inc + two theme song + three short bit track pretty much sums up how messy the entire disc is ... I guess there's enough trumpet on the recording that some folks could venture a guess - I can't alas. Too bad this doesn't turn up on @Michael Fitzgerald's Cecil Payne leader discography. Pretty weird that no one ever tackled this mystery recording (or so it seems)! Yep! Yep on #4 and #6 ... I thought the same for a moment of #2 but can't tell for sure. I think you're right on #8, too - so this is "Body and Soul", the opening head missing, but changes seem to match, indeed! Except that we get a bit of "52nd Street Theme", before we cut back to "Body and Soul". Cutting almost on par with that Dick Bock sometimes did Can you confirm #1 and #7? I don't think I know these tunes but didn't yet check with discographies/my collection/youtube. Sounds right for the changes, but the head is not "Donna Lee" (it's present on the disc ... and damn, it does sound familiar but I can't pin it down - maybe it's just the "Indiana" changes that make it sound so familiar?)

Ooops, thanks! Weird liners they still are, I skipped through them and found no mention of Thomas or Haynes, just of the rhythm section on the trio half. Will have to take the disc out again and re-read Schoenberg's notes thoroughly. Btw, not smoking anything, liquids only

At this day I'm not so confident if the US still has any sense of legality (or common sense) left ,or if just the business side remains. Either way, I'm happily listening to this boot at this time, having just picked gotten it out of the mail box. There's a trumpet player present, too (and bass/drums, obviously). -- Regarding the Davis sextet, Losin has an entry now: http://www.plosin.com/MilesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=600304

Yes! Only found out about this a few weeks ago and had to buy it right away. Excellent!

bump - no one?

Just popped in the VME reissue of "Sonny Rollins and the Big Brass" after many years (the weird channel separation mix is crap, but the music is great): And now I wonder that Loren Schoenberg was thinking (or smoking or whatever his preferred way of consumption is) when he wrote about the brass session that Dick Katz' rhythm section mates are Jimmy Bond and Frankie Dunlop? Whatever info I find gives Henry Grimes and Roy Haynes, and of course there's also René Thomas (though insofar as he's not doing constant strumming he may correctly be considered no part of the rhythm section). Anyone has any knowledge or knows of any indications that the personnel usually given may be incorrect? (It's not Dunlop I'd say, but I've just stopped listening to catch a live-stream that cannot be revisited later on ...)

Very, very sad

To make merikin less uncomfy, make it "PUU" Here's the CDJapan link for The Great 3: https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/KKJ-9006 Definitely on the pricey side, but I think I'll bite. Tracklist (from that merurido link above): CD1 1. Summertime 7: 19 2. Skylark (piano & perc duo) 3: 30 3. Waltz Step 6: 05 4. My Favorite Things 9: 17 5. Kansago-No (bass-solo) 4: 16 6. Begin The Beguine 5: 14 7. Coral Spring 7: 42 8. Laura 5: 40 9. Bley’s Triad 2: 40 10. Home On The Range (piano & bass duo) 5: 04 11. Song in D ※ (bass-solo) 4: 28 12. Misty (piano-solo) 6: 56 13. Round About Midnight ※ (piano-solo) 6: 10 CD2 1. Moor ※ 25: 07 2. Carla 18: 57 3. Little Abi 11: 33 CD3 1. Nature Boy 26: 13 2. Tennessee Waltz 09: 19 3. Rambling ※ 08: 32 CD4 1. MC: Masabumi Kikuchi 01: 05 2. Straight, No Chaser ※ 17: 05 3. Peace ※ 11: 59 4. Good-bye 05: 26 ※ = prev. unissued CD1 #1-10 and #12 = Begin the Beguine CD2 #2-3, CD3#1-2 and CD4 #4 = Tennessee Waltz Amounts to about ~1:10 hours of new music.

Very nice indeed, Pim!

Here's the Pantounnnnnne colour of the year for ya: https://www.pantone.com/color-of-the-year-2021

Hoping for a CD version ... as for info/tracklists, I'd assume this is about as good as it gets at this time (1970-07-10/11/12): https://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/9780472115020-Discography.pdf

Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply to all of our comments, rants etc. @david weiss - most interesting! Oh, btw. Sun Ra Arkestra, "Swirling" on Strut: three different versions in three formats, it seems (I've got CD and DL, 10 and 13 tracks, respectively, the LP has 11, including one of the three tracks omitted on the CD - making only the DL complete ... and oddly, the LP switches sequence of the tracks, within a side but also across sides). Also, Firehouse12 has done similar releases (by Taylor Ho Bynum and Tyshawn Sorey: complementing partial LP and CD releases with, I think, no overlap, each coming with complete DLs).

Well yeah, not composed by Miles Davis, but copyrighted, no? Merikin law and all that

Uhm, nothing really - I was expressing the fact that when I heard about the upcoming release many moons ago (expectation management is something Resonance really does work hard on ... and apologies, but there as well I do not always think their choices are swell), I was *hoping* this might now be a radio archival version to replace the bootleg with. As for the speed fixes, I'm only the messenger there, but feel free to behead me, no problem Interesting, many thanks! This Rollins set, though, is not one that ought to be marketed for casual listeners - it doesn't have good enough sound for that (with the exception of the studio session kicking things off!), and it may be too challenging musically for many, as well ... but hey, from the business side it's sales (but there's an underlying business rationale there, too, isn't there? Will people continue buying Resonance product if they feel this is "bad" because the sound quality keeps them from enjoying it?) The "industry wide mandate" is bogus b-s in my opinion - and it may be related to the industry being in deep sh*t: they're unwilling/unable to cope with different formats, see the ups and downs for each etc. And since it seems you did suggest the edits (after all, considering circumstances, they had to be done and thus had to be done by someone!): chapeau! Pretending for a sec that I agree they're a necessity: they're well-done - that's for sure. And I'm serious now!

Was about 20/21 when I started following the BNBB ... about to turn 24 when this site started. By the "turning numbers" game I'd be 14, but that's an age I definitely don't feel a need to revisit

Me too! But doing the comparing last Sunday was really quite a bit of a disillusionary thing (and hey, I didn't post here immediately ... by then I'd stopped alternatively fuming/cursing and crying )

Oh wow, gotta get this for the bonus tracks then!

It's a 2 CD set. They should've made it 3 CDs though and included all of it, unedited (what's there should have fit onto two discs, unedited - but they also omitted three incomplete tracks, which has been mentioned somewhere in this thread). And I'm bi-fold there, Resonance has done lots of good stuff (Wes Montgomery, Jones/Lewis, Larry Young, Getz and Getz/Gilbert, the Bill Evans trio with DeJohnette etc.) so I'll keep being interested. I was a bit ... irritated by the Dolphy (but then that one's great, as the Douglas material has not been on any decent CD version so far) ... and now the Rollins definitely is a partial hack-job, alas Oh, and the Nat King Cole box is great - for those few left that care for that wonderful musician!

Well no, he *applied* them (or had someone do it)! I have a hunch that "our" bootleg source (yes, it is available ...) was the source, the quick fade at the end of "Dolphin Street/..." is exactly the same, and from the Loosdrecht material it's pretty obviously Resonance would not have gotten the speed right for the Arnhem portions. Here's the full list of work done to the Arnhem set (first part by yours truly, second part by a musician friend who's known over on dime for his great work fixing speed and other other stuff on a variety of ROIOs, which I still prefer to "bootleg" as none of us is making any money with this): Edits: - delete silence/noise before CD1#1 - moved mark CD1#1/2: +6sec - copied right channel into left on CD1#2 (0:09-3:07) applied 3dB cut on left channel (copied part got much louder than the right channel originally was/is) - deleted 0.4sec dropout @ 23:09 in CD1#1 (skip remains audible) - deleted tiny dropout @ 24:02 in CD1#1 (skip remains audible) - moved mark CD1#2/3: -1.5sec, deleted 0.1sec dropout - copied right channel into left on CD1#3 (5:20-6:09, 7:08-8:53, 11:22-11:25) applied 3dB cut on left channel (copied part got much louder than the right channel originally was/is) - separated CD1#4 from CD1#3 - spliced intro of CD2#1 (a bit too loud) from duplicated partial version of same tune that followed CD1#3 (after the 13:12 cut), deleted duplicated track (7:34, faded at end) - copied right channel into left on CD2#1 (6:15-8:21) applied 3dB cut on left channel (copied part got much louder than the right channel originally was/is) - moved mark CD2#1/2: -1.6sec, delected 0.1sec dropout - deleted tiny dropout CD2#2 12:17 - copied right channel into left on CD2#2 (17:43-18:14, 18:41-19:21) applied 3dB cut on left channel (copied part got much louder than the right channel originally was/is) - deleted last 19sec of CD2#2 (duplication of beginning of CD2#3) - deleted first 5.4sec of CD2#3 (duplication of applause of CD2#2) - copied right channel into left on CD2#3 (0:00-0:06) applied 3dB cut on left channel (copied part got much louder than the right channel originally was/is) - moved mark CD2#3/4: +38sec, deleted 0.1sec dropout around old mark, deleted noisy applause and silence (18.6sec), added fade-out - deleted last 7.5sec of CD2#4 (duplication) - moved mark CD2#4/5: +9sec, deleted 0.1sec dropout around old mark - deleted silence at end of CD2#5 (4sec) Notes: - CD1#2 came as "Four - Don't Stop the Carnival", but it's mainly "Four" with Sonny quoting various other tunes in a free-flowing improvisation - CD1#3 was followed by an incomplete version of CD2#1, the intro was longer on CD1#3, I spliced that onto CD2#1 and deleted the rest - CD2#3 came as just "Three Little Words" - I am not sure if there are two or just one other tunes following or what they are. Pitch of all tracks was approx. 55 cents sharp. CD2 t03 was approx. an additional 49 cents from approx. 21:33:07 til the end; (these times taken after initial correction.) CD1 - Track 1 - Fixed glitch at 2:09:70-2:09:72; 3:47:73; 03:33:57; gap at 21:53:71-21:54:02 removed; deleted beginning to 00:00:32 - it was only noise. Retracked at 21:53:22 (cut til end, paste to 2, fade 1) CD1 - Track 2 - Fixed glitches at 3:27:06 in the left channel; 00:19:70 CD1 - Track 3 - Fixed glitch at 5:40:46. Deleted 13:37:72 til the end - it was only noise. CD2 - Track 1 - Fixed small click at 00:15:05. Reduced volume from beginning til 00:15:05 by 4.5 dB. CD2 - Track 2 - Fixed 3 clicks at 13:14:31, 13:18:56, 13:55:49, 14:19:05; cut last 00:08:28 after fade til end to paste to next track CD2 - Track 3 - Fixed click at 00:05:44-47, pasted 00:08:28 to beginning. CD2 - Track 4 - Reduced glitch at 50:30:55-61 All tracks have been phase corrected and amplified +3dB. Some fades added to smooth transitions. So yeah, plenty of painstaking work ... my hope when I saw the announcement from Resonance was obviously that they found a better source, possibly even a radio source and not the AUD (I guess) that has been in circulation ... but alas not. -- And thanks @Mark Stryker - following your work, though I've not made my way all through the Detroit book just yet. -- Would certainly love to hear that!!!

Well drop notes for grifting whatever ... whomever ... whenever.

This!

Doesn't work for the DETS series, alas

a sammich?