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Well, the overflow can't be objective of course. And it's not a list of particular records - it's a sense of a personal limit having been reached, the returns having diminished too far. I'm not talking about a run-of-the-mill kind of listening here, the kind where you check out an artist and like them somewhat, but think you've got as much out of them as you're going to after a couple of albums, or like you describe, buying up a lot of records because you know there's good stuff on them all, even if they're not consistent - that kind of casual relationship to an artist's music I probably wouldn't think about in these terms, or at all. I'm talking about the limits of a relationship to music that has been deeply important to you. I'm a searcher too, but searches run their course. Now, if an unlogged Mobley album was dug up and released tomorrow, I'd be ordering it immediately. But dealing with finite bodies of work as we are, for me eventually having the music in your life in a 'new' or fresh way doesn't mean having ever more different (and almost always lesser) recordings, but having again and again, every day, the old stuff in your head and/or other parts of your body because it's so fully internalised. The fact that my internal MP3 player is at this moment running its hundred thousandth playing of The Breakthrough, and in some way animating me as it always does even though I'm not actually hearing it, it is much more of a testament to Mobley in my life now than, say, dutifully listening for the first time to a relatively underwhelming concert bootleg. Of course I want to hear the new stuff, but I may not hunt it down now as much as the old stuff keeps hunting me down. So even if there's overflow, it doesn't mean the cup is not ... well, you see the metaphor. Yup, I can see what you're saying! Interesting... it's just that with me, curiosity most often gets the better, and I'll end up stacking up stuff even if i might never internalise it and absorb it to a point it would deserve, or even if I clearly understand that this or that I totally don't "need"...

Here's the thread I meant, finally a search for Billie Poole brought it up http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=49475

What would be the overflow? The Flip, the date with Eddie Diehl? Mogie's Caramba, Charisma, Taru, Cornbread, which of Blakey's Morgan/Shorter quintet albums, which of Smith's Blue Notes? ... hard to define that, I find, and I usually don't. I rather have most of these, and instead of having least favourites, I have preferred ones (Morgan's The Rajah for instance makes that list, and that would be one of the first choices for "overflow" by most, I assume). I certainly know what you're talking about, but it's not a way of operation I usually chose... too much a completist/searcher, always looking for more... (you know, ok, that might just be an ok album, but hey, I still want it... happened most recently with The Band's albums... thought I might skip Cahoots, Moondog Matinee and Islands, but no, Cahoots has the great title track, Don't Do It, Moondog has that great old-fashioned sound and Garth Hudson on sax on several tunes, and Islands... well, after having all the other albums I just wanted to have it as well, and for sure there are some great songs there... this as a way of explaining how I operate...)

This one? Those don't seem to have been newly released here in the US. Yes, I think that's the list, but there was another thread about those reissues. saw some of them in the "new releases" part of a local shop a few months ago - they weren't out here back when that thread was started!

Nah... I miss one of Mobe's albums (Slice Of the Top) and have but a CDR of one of the Monday Night sessions... but somehow it's good like that, because on the day that changes, there won't be any new Mobley to discover for me! That would (will, actually...) be a pretty sad day...

Yeah, Murray is someone I haven't started digging into, really... I have five or six of his discs and there seem to be plenty other great ones out there. He might be - like Sonny Stitt, for instance - one of those who simply released too much for most fans to really follow his path? But then I guess the same could be said about Miles... or Oscar Peterson (where I have a fair amount of material now but will likely not buy anything more for some years now).

Does anyone know this disc? I remember reading a very positive review about it but never came around checking it out, it's by another Italian piano player, Salvatore Bonafede and features quite an interesting band: Salvatore Bonafede - Journey To Donnafugata (CAM Jazz) Recording information: Rome, Italy (05/12/2003 - 05/13/2003). Personnel: Salvatore Bonafede (piano); Ralph Towner (classical guitar); Enrico Rava (flugelhorn); Ben Street (bass instrument); Clarence Penn (drums); Michele Rabia (percussion).

Thanks for the additional Pieranunzi recommendations! This is the one w/Wheeler: Enrico Pieranunzi - As Never Before

To add a bit to my short post: I'm not methodically buying complete outputs by any specific artists, mostly... but I have most of Coltrane's, Davis', Mingus', Monk's recordings, and there are many artists where I have much or most (Mobley, Morgan, Basie, Lunceford in terms of studio sessions, Ellington, Ornette, you name it), or almost all from one part in their career (Hill on Blue Note, Henderson on BN and Milestone, Tyner on Impulse, BN and Milestone, Shepp on Impulse, Jimmy Smith on Blue Note). Things mostly just kind of stack up and when I see something I don't have, I casually add it to what I have, without looking to fill all the gaps. There's just always that much more to explore... and that usually applies to both musicians I haven't heard yet or know little of, as well as musicians of whom I have some/many discs... for instance, I only got the Olatunji Concert and Live at the Village Vanguard again CDs by Coltrane recently (haven't even played them so far...)

never enough, i guess...

I regularly went to MM in Dietlikon in the 90s, but their jazz offerings got pretty small as well by now. The one at Sihlcity wasn't that great from the start, but sometimes you find something nice... and it's on my way home from work, so... (dangerous!). Thanks a lot for the Pieranunzi recommendations!

As for Pieranunzi... I don't know much of his officially released output but gee, can't he slow down? For a casual fan, there's just way too much available! The first Morricone album with Joey Baron and Marc Johnson is fine. Other than that I think I only have the more recent one (also on CAMJazz) with Kenny Wheeler added to the trio. It's too glossy a production I think... not sure what to check out but I've heard a bunch of broadcasts that I liked, including some by the trio with Heyn van de Gein (sp?) and I think André Ceccarelli. They also have some official releases out.

I have "Walking in L.A." on Elabeth from 1980, with Hemmeler, Ray Brown, Shelly Manne: a wonderful straight ahead piano trio recording. Another nice one is "Easy Does It" on Elabeth, a trio recording from 1981 with Ray Brown and Daniel Humair, mainstream piano jazz at its best. It is a shame that Hemmeler did not record more often. I found that one a while ago (after having posted here), of all places at Mediamarkt in Sihlcity, on sale... fine disc indeed! It seems to be on deezer and on iTunes, as well as still available on CD. Fine album! As you can see from the back cover, Stephane Grappelli sits in on one tune.

Schoof is a mainstay of european jazz... like Breuker, Brötzmann, Schweizer, Schlippenbach, Mengelberg, Hampel, and many others. He played with Globe Unity, George Russell, Hampel, the Clarke-Boland band, George Gruntz, and appears on many great records, this here could give you a rough idea: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Manfred+Schoof AMG is notoriously crappy as far as European jazz goes... Here's Schoof's homepage, which also has a little discography.

more like keepnews-y, rather than ugly, isn't it?

wtf? is there a law in the US that makes it a criminal act to wander around the streets?

That was a great concert! Jimmy Cobb was in fine shape, though exhausted after two hour-long sets (they didn't play an encore because of that, but too often encores are just sloppy afterthoughts anyway, often spoiling a good concert, I find). Schwaller was terrific, big sound, edgy, some Rollins in there. Cobb drove the band in a swinging and often very powerful way. Pianist Oliver Kent and bassist Thomas Stabenow were right up there, though they suffered a bit from the mix. The programme consisted of jazz originals a a tune each by Schwaller and Stabenow. They did "SOS" from "Full House" and a great Sam Jones tune, I think it was called "Bittersweet", looking it up on AMG it seems I haven't heard it before... sounded pretty complex. The only Miles-related tune was "In Your Own Sweet Way", which they did in that fingerpoppin' half-time groove Miles' bands so often used. A great concert! The downside of it was the location, I guess... and the crowd, too. This year's edition of the festival took place (for the second time) at Gunter Sachs' Dracula's Ghost Rider's Club, which is a pretty exclusive location (roughly 150 people, I was told). That's all good, but the disco afterwards (with the worst of the 70s and 80s, including "Material Girl", and something from "Grease" before we escaped) was quite weird yet the majority of the people there seemed to enjoy it at least as much as the concert... well yeah... sure, but not for me, please! Anyway, it was great hearing Jimmy Cobb in action! I went to tell him how honoured I was after the concert, he was pleased of course, but seemed pretty exhausted indeed. By now I guess he's back in NYC, having flown all the way for two concerts in St. Moritz. Crazy world... it seems in fall he's planning his own KoB homage tour, so that's probably why (thankfully) they didn't play any of those tunes this time.

Now I thought this was a thread about Tabatha Cash...

Seems he had a regular gig going on in NYC, weekly or something? r.i.p. - will play that JATP recording tonight.

He was 74. Sad news indeed. I realized that when I read this short entry here after posting my comment: http://www.citizenjazz.com/article3462906.html

Hell, sounds like we're married!

Where's that list again with those 50 newly printed Prestige titles? Not sure if these were just a European thing.. there was a thread and I posted in it as well, but I can't seem to find it.

ah, crap! he wasn't that old... have to spin that magnificient duo album w/Coltrane again soon, some of the strongest music I've ever heard there!

Hm, I don't think I'd travel to Dresden to see Garbarek... not much of a fan, really. On tenor he can be quite good though, at least in an ok-ish context (such as on that Miroslav Vitous sort of supergroup lookalike but only pieces of it pitched together track by track thinkgie). Also what little I've heard of Jarrett's European Quartet I found ok, but I never went places to find the albums I don't yet have (I have "My Song" and "Personal Mountains", I think).

Happy Birthday!