king ubu

Wow - you guys got your sets already? Just hope my snail-mail packet steamer doesn't hit the rocks ! Got mine several years ago

Fellini Casanova Donald Sutherland

Hi Ubu .. I used to make my (very good) living in the "ad biz" in the early 1960's (shades of the tv show "Mad Men")... Jingles were a major musical art form for a long period in the history of commercial radio ... for an interesting perspective see this: http://www.amazon.com/Killed-Jingle-Unique...0708&sr=1-4 BTW, I am returning to Cape Town, to live there permanently sometime in the next two years Garth. Good to see you here Garth! Just had to manually enter all my contacts to my new email programme (having just set up a new computer) and thought it's been a long time! Sent you an email!

My Complete H.R.S. Sessions set arrived this morning, I only had a quick look through the booklet so far but it looks good. Nice to see pictures of someone working in a record shop wearing a suit and tie. :D Hellyeah! People these days just don't know how to dress... they behave like they're in their living rooms, wherever they actually are, no matter if it's some cathedral or whatever... tourists are the worst, of course! Anyway, that package made a real fast passage! It's a fantastic set, much of it is first rate, the rest is good, and even that Brick Fleagle disc of rehearsing band sessions is pretty nice!

I have never caught up on Higgins, except for a few sideman appearances (on the Morgan/Shorter Vee Jay Mosaic, I think), I only have that wonderful ballads/latin album of his, "Amor", which was a favourite late night album a few months back. r.i.p.

the multi part interview on jazzwax is a terrific read: http://www.jazzwax.com/2008/06/interview-chris.html

Assuming the mono box will be made available again, you get that, and then you pick up Abbey Road, Yellow Sub and Let it Be in stereo. That's everything. I would also get the White album in stereo, but it's on the box in mono. But if I had gone this long without the Beatles, I'd probably just use the money to buy jazz albums. Yeah... but the thing is I've started exploring more rock and rock'n'roll lately (The Band, The Doors, Jimi, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, The Byrds, whatever) and hence I'd really like to get me some Beatles. Also, I was around quite some of their stuff as a kid (the red and blue albums, the white album, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers - at least those I remember being around).

If it was my money I would say no just going on the Amazon pre-order prices. Even on sale the Stereo Box Set is going for $486 where individual discs are going for 12.99. For a bit over 200 dollars you get all 16 discs that make up the box set. Even at single discs going for full retail at 18.99 it comes out to $304 pre tax if you bough all 16. I wonder how many Mono boxes will be going up on Ebay for outrageous prices like the Dead Fillmore Boxes. I think a lot of people may have ordered two with one to keep and the other to sell. Amazon now isn't even taking new orders on either boxed set. Still, since Capitol never said the stereo box is a limited edition, Amazon's probably waiting for more to become available, rather than having to deal with angry customers, and at that point the price will probably come down. As for King Ubu's original question, I think the early Beatles were a very different band than the later Beatles. I know many people who like one or the other, but not both. If you do want it all, perhaps consider the two "Capitol Albums" boxes (where you have both mono and stereo), and supplement them with the remastered versions of the other titles. If you buy them individually, it won't be such a hit to your budget. Thanks for all the good advice (and help with calculations... I hadn't really looked at prizes yet). Capitol never did that third box to complete it, right? Why not?

ok ok, but the mono discs are only in the box and the mono box is incomplete, right? so you'd have to get the mono box plus some of the single stereo discs? that gets friggin' complicated... why can't they just behave sanely and release CDs which contain the stereo & mono versions (like Capitol did with "Pet Sounds" for instance).

For someone who owns no Beatles discs at all (but of course knows a lot of their stuff), would the stereo box be a wise choice? I don't care for the whole mono vs. stereo discussions, my aim would be to get most of it in one go... if they'd done single CD sets with mono + stereo versions, that would be my option, I guess, but it seems that's not what they chose to do... going under but still trying to milk their customers, friggin' idiots!

Here's a nice photo I found on the webs (without any credits), who's that in the background?

That link doesn't work, here's a good one: http://www.kansascity.com/620/story/1416113.html http://www.chrisconnorjazz.com/ (includes a fine discography)

Ah, no! How sad! I love her Bethlehem and Atlantic recordings, she's definitely one of my favourites. As she grew older, her singing got a rare emotional quality that I think can first be detected around the time she made that Village Gate album recently reissued in that Capitol Vocalists series (that was one of the final CD reissue series EMI got right, it seems...). Her more recent recordings further went in that direction... dare I compare her to the late recordings of Bud Shank, another late great? That heart-on-the-sleeve quality that hardly anyone of the younger generations seems to be able to do (or willing to share so openly... another one who did that in most touching manner was Richard Manuel). This is truly, truly sad news.

That's very interesting! I had no idea that there was even a possibility to make a living out of that... studio work of all kinds, yes, but that commercials were such a big field, I had no clue!

You mean they worked performing musical "scores" for commercials? Sorry to seem so idiot here, but reading "ad biz" I naturally tought - being (still pretty) young - that they worked as graphic designers or texters or whatever... I've not known the days when they used to write new music for tv or radio commercials...

much more of a mainstream disc, but a beautiful one: Guy Lafitte / Pierre Boussaguet - Crossings

And here I though his main job was with the Nutty Squirrels Seriously: why would that explain the Lowe/Hyman connection? Where they in the same business? Hyman I mostly know from all those wonderful Woody Allen soundtracks... can't be all bad!

you'se talkin' to me, Sir? I certainly am a shopaholic as far as books and CDs are concerned... I happily confess! Gave the disc a first spin last night, not sure about it yet, it's not earth shaking for sure, and it's certainly not bad either... probably just a minor thing, a blow-out by two footnotes in jazz history or some such (not to put Elliott down, I have several discs where he appears... Dedrick on the other hand I hadn't even heard the name before...)

"Dylan" is impossible to find for a sane price... In fact, I think there's plenty of nice stuff on "Self Portrait" - I'd love to hear that whole gig w/The Band, that's for sure!

Sorry Jim, took me a couple of days to decide if I should reply or not, but that Eicher bashing gets so old, you know... the man's got his ideas, he's been pursuing them for many years with great stamina and often superb and enlightening results. If you don't like his product, why bother, buy Black Saint and Soul Note and Nessa and India Navigation and what do I know... that'll be more to your liking, I guess... Also, why do you suppose Eicher actually nixed it? Maybe the session went bad, maybe the agendas of Smith and DeJohnette didn't allow for it actually to happen, maybe someone's tame rattlesnake got ill and hence the session had to be cancled... or some such. Whatever...

Yes, worth hearing, not sure it's worth owning, really... I picked mine out of a sales bin, I never pay regular price for boots. The new edition's cover looks much, much better though. I can't see sidewinder's picture (those storage sites are blocked on my work computer). Mine looks like this: This one looks great as well:

Fascinating stuff, yes! And indeed, a legit release of the full package in good sound would be more than welcome! This was bootlegged a long time ago (the disc I have is from pretty early in the days of CDs, it seems... prob. late 80s or so) Here's the info for the bonus session: Kenny Dorham Quintet Kenny Dorham (tp) Tore Sannes (p) Bijorn Pedersen (b) Jon Christensen (d) "Metropole Jazz Club", Oslo, Norway, January, 1964 Con Alma Royal Jazz (D) RJD 515 Short Story - Sky Blue - Lament - * Kenny Dorham 1953, 1956, 1964 (Royal Jazz (D) RJD 515) Royal Jazz is indeed the label I have the Lenox stuff on, so for the reissue they just added some more from another of their discs, assuming that Free Factory is some sort of follow-up (prob. relocated to Andorra, who knows)... stuff such as this should be released by some nice official label, or officially distributed by some outlet such as Smithsonian or what do I know, even more so nowadays, when not even the few big ones do reissues of jazz anymore!

Yeah, some of those bands turn up, Crimson, Soft Machine as well I think... and yes, it's indeed the same guy from the BBC series (I only read about that), and I think these "family trees" were printed one by one somewhere, originally, and only later on collected in books.

info from ECM's website: Manfred Schoof Quintet Resonance Manfred Schoof trumpet, flugelhorn Michel Pilz bass clarinet Jesper van`t Hof piano, electric piano, organ Rainer Brüninghaus piano, synthesizer Günter Lenz double-bass Ralf-R. Hübner drums CD 1 Scales Ostinato For Marianne Weep And Cry Flowers All Over Resonance Old Ballad CD 2 Source Light Lines Criterium Lonesome Defender Horizons Hope Sunset Recorded 1976-1979 ECM 2093 The first CD issue of music from Manfred Schoof’s three ECM/Japo albums of the 1970s – “Scales”, “Light Lines”, and “Horizons”. “Resonance” is the German trumpeter’s personal compilation of his favourite music from this era, released as two CD set. Schoof’s quintet was a highly regarded band on the European scene of the 1970s, and the “Scales” LP won the German Critics Prize as Album of the Year (Grosser Deutscher Schallplattenpreis 1977). At the time, both Schoof and frontline partner Michel Pilz were also members of Alex Schlippenbach’s freewheeling Globe Unity Orchestra (indeed Schoof still plays with the GUO periodically) and also recorded for ECM/Japo with that formation (see the albums “Improvisations” and “Compositions”). Release Date 28 August 2009 The blueprint for the quintet was to re-integrate lessons learned in free playing into melodically-intense small group jazz. Manfred Schoof “The 1970s, when these recordings were made, gave many musicians the opportunity to expand a scale of musical expression that originated from the free jazz of the 1960s. This led to a new kind of playing that did not hesitate to use and combine different means of expression – a process exemplified by the present recordings. The music on these CDs is contemporary and free in the best sense of these words; more so, it is timeless. Here the term “free” not only stands for a specific style of jazz that, in its beginnings, opposed with revolutionary gesture everything redolent of the past and reminiscent of tradition but rather the freedom to choose between a multitude of very different means of expression. Tradition, therefore, is viewed as a past experience that merges with and enriches a new style of sound.” Schoof showcased some exceptional talent in his band. Michel Pilz was, in the era, the only European improviser who had committed himself exclusively to the bass clarinet. Inspired initially by Eric Dolphy, he developed his own distinctive sound, playing inside the ensemble textures as well as soloing with energy and imagination. Günter Lenz and Ralf R. Hübner helped to define the direction of modern jazz in Germany. Both bassist and drummer were members of Albert Mangelsdorff’s pioneering groups of the 1960s and their detailed interaction is crucial to the buoyancy of the Schoof quintet sound. Lenz can also be heard on ECM with the Berlin Contemporary Jazz Orchestra, Hübner with Eberhard Weber on “The Colours of Chloe” and “Chorus”. Together, for decades, they powered the rhythm section of the Jazzensemble des Hessischen Rundfunks – see the ECM album “Atmospheric Conditions Permitting”. The pianists in the Schoof group were players of the next generation. Dutch keyboardist Jasper van’t Hof came to Schoof after playing with Pierre Courbois’s Association PC and the collective Pork Pie, which also included Charlie Mariano and Philip Catherine, in a time when rock and jazz were influencing each other. source: http://www.ecmrecords.com/Catalogue/ECM/2000/2093.php

It's a 4CD set, same packaging as the recent 3CD set (Jarrett Trio, Codona Trilogy, Kuhn Solo/Trio/Quartet). Don't know any of the music, so I guess I should grab it... it's again pretty cheap, but a bit pricier as it contains one more disc. Gary Burton Chick Corea Crystal Silence - The ECM Recordings 1972-79 Gary Burton vibraphone Chick Corea piano Crystal Silence Señor Mouse Arise, Her Eyes I'm Your Pal Desert Air Crystal Silence Falling Grace Feeling And Things Children's Song What Game Shall We Play Today Duet Duet Suite Children's Song No. 15 Children's Song No. 2 Children's Song No. 5 Children's Song No. 6 Radio Song to Gayle Never La Fiesta In Concert, Zürich, October 28, 1979 Señor Mouse Bud Powell Crystal Silence Tweak I'm Your Pal / Hullo, Bolinas Love Castle Falling Grace Mirror, Mirror Song To Gayle Endless Trouble, Endless Pleasure Recorded 1972-1979 ECM 2036 This 4-CD box set reprises the history-making recordings “Crystal Silence” (1972), “Duet” (1978) and the live double album “In Concert, Zürich, October 28, 1979”. The duo was a seldom-tested format in jazz when pianist Chick Corea and vibraphonist Gary Burton, at the instigation of Manfred Eicher, came together for “Crystal Silence”, but its luminous music proved a resounding success. Both “Duet” and the Zürich recording won Grammy awards, and Chick and Gary toured to worldwide acclaim, astonishing audiences with their improvisational fluency. They have continued to make music together, for almost 40 years now: “Crystal Silence, The ECM Recordings” shows how the story began. Two live selections, “I’m Your Pal/Hullo Bolinas” and “Love Castle”, appear on CD for the first time in this collection. Booklet includes liner notes by Peter Rüedi and Steve Lake, and photos by Ib Skovgaard Peterse and Ralph Quinke. Release Date 28 August 2009 source: http://www.ecmrecords.com/Catalogue/ECM/2000/2036.php