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complete studio albums - that would imply that all the material released later on some LP series is not included?

Where to look for the piano trios? I've heard a recording with Argerich many years ago, if memory doesn't play tricks on me (I think it was just one of Shostakovich's trios, paired with a trio by some other composer, but again I'm not sure). Might have been this one, but the cover doesn't ring a bell: Nothing quite pulls me there (well, Kremer a tiny bit, maybe, but ...) - where else to look?

One more I missed, sorry! All the best! :party:

Sorry for being late, Lon! Wish you all the very best! :party:

Fauré - Complete Chamber Music for Strings and Piano (5CD) - €9.54 on amazon.it Haven't heard it but read a very favorable review and gave it to my mother as a gift (cost three times as much three months ago!) - probably she was too busy to listen yet, but at this price, I'll just get it for me as well anyway! That baroque box looks excellent, btw! A nice companion to the "Lumières" box, I'm sure.

Now, sometimes - only sometimes - I wish there was someone loud enough to drown out the bulls hit that comes from your fingers!

I very much enjoy Gulda! Has Hantaï only recorded book 1 so far?

Yay! And some Swiss Kriss, too!

This is off-topic here of course, but I've recently been recommended by D.D. to check out Blandine Rannou's Rameau and it's wonderful. Go to www.discplus.ch and put in "ZZT-010301" into the full text search field and get it for 10€ (plus shipping, which of course might make that a less attractive offer than others you might find).

Thanks Lon! A friend let me have what I think is an EMI recording (Jellinek/Legge, Abbey Road, 1957-59) - haven't yet listened to it though.

Okay - that might mean I'm interested then.... & Friends sounds fine to me in it's available edition but having new remasters of "Let My Chillun" and "Epitaph" might be nice indeed!

Does anyone know if that box has any new remasters compared to previously available CD reissues?

Do you build houses (or palaces, more likely?) as they had back then, wearing period cloths (no wristwatches, please), smelling as people must have, and only listen to HIP music after having HIP foods and drinks, too? EDIT: forgot the most important part: where do you go and inhale the quiet, the silence that must have been around in the world back then? To me, this is all just one of many ways and I'm somewhat pissed by the ideological twist you so often hear when HIP music is being explained.

They're not losing it, just an approach in search for a different one. The music always is more than the notes, it also encompasses the sound, and that is linked to instruments. Cellos or violins in Bach's time sounded different, that's a fact. The introduction of steel strings and higher tension and modern tunings changes the sound a lot. Like Skip Sempé stated: "In most fine music written before the 1950s, the sound and the composition were linked by the composer. Some performers do not care about this, and some listeners don't care either, but that was clearly the method behind the tradition in question. Without any doubt, this is the manner in which harpsichord music was conceived." I appreciate the approach of a lot of these players, but I just can't get around to like their sound. "These players" being the non-HIP, what some would call "romantic" performers, I assume, or am I misunderstanding what you're saying? I tend to agree with that, though for me it's not a "black and white" case. Ha, I read it that Mike meant the HIP ones with "these players". So clarification would indeed be nice After having played the entire Sonatas/Partitas by Szeryng, I'm now halfway into Zehetmair's recordings. Beautiful just as well!

Gave a first spin to the Suk trio version - it's great! I guess that one, the Rubinstein/Heifetz/Feuermann and the Gilels/Kogan/Rostropovitch rank about the same for me - each one has their merits. And then I've just got another one: Very different, much mellower, but I'm enjoying it a lot, too!

re: Tortelier - sorry, didn't look close enough. The early recording is here: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1713529 And as far as I can read then, it's the same as on the EMI 4CD set: http://www.amazon.com/Bach-violoncelle-Sonates-Partitas-Coffret/dp/B0040UEI5Y/

Good, I wanted to check out more Tortelier anyway - seems this might be an option then! However, a quick search seems to tell me that all available EMI releases contain the second recording (and the comments sound not too great on those). Would this here be the early recording? http://www.emiclassics.com/release/551604,5099964829821/tortelier-paul-sonaten-und-partiten-suiten I've just bought the big Menuhin box, not sure if his Sonatas & Partitas are in there in that - I can just about read that on the back cover on amazon - are his second recording and seem to be previously unissued on CD, so I guess they won't be in the box... but I wonder which version of Tortelier's is in there. The Big Tortelier box also has the 1982 versions, as is stated in a comment here: http://www.amazon.com/Paul-Tortelier-Great-Recordings-Coffret/dp/B0031IHBDC/

It's going cheap, so I ordered the new version of this from amazon. Yes, it is! And the Mercury isn't - please do report!

In my world, nothing is hipper than Szigeti. :tup :tup (Do you know his Beethoven sonatas with Arrau? Bad sound, but the music ... ! Waiting for the Bartók/Szigeti disc right now, I bet it's amazing, too!)

I see - thanks! So, how about Emil Telmányi? He WAS "historically informed", or so he believed, at one time (just as some of those playing today think they are).

So could someone please tell me what HIP means? Serious question! @moms: What do you think of Szigeti and Szeryng? Do you know their Bach? Got Zehetmair in today (he doesn't look too hip to me, but then, what is hip?

Does anyone here actually own the RCA Starker? Chuck?

Some news: Good news, I'd say!

Which meaning of HIP is being referred to here? I've got partial recordings by Heifetz, Rabin (actually just the third sonata), Hahn (haven't yet listened - quite a choice for a debut album!) - and the complete ones by Szeryng (still new, but my impression is that they're absolutely fantastic!), Milstein (I love his tone, generally adore his playing, but yeah, I can kind of relate to those that aren't entirely convinced) and ... Szigeti! Not sure if he's HIP (or hip), but these are stunning performances!

Got the Casals - they're amazing! And then just today got Guido Schiefen's recording, which in its own way is nearly as strong, I think. Thanks for that recommendation, D.D.! I definitely want to check out Fournier, and also Starker - but the later has recorded, it seems around four complete versions, though only two of them seem to be out on CD ... one as pictured above by Mercury, the other by RCA (Sony/BMG/whatever). Do these two RCA editions actually contain the same recording? And which is preferrable? And that's the Schiefen - OOP but around used very cheaply (I practically paid for shipping only from a vendor on amazon.fr).