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Enjoying the disc a whole lot, Jim! Quality job!

Enjoy! Lots of fine stuff to discover, including some rather obscure ... dig Barney Wilen's first album as a leader, quite a heady start, doing that Monk! And having Al Levitt on board, too ...

I only listened to albums new to me, but the whole thing is very nice, for sure! Will try and read Belden's liners soon, but so far only went through the short comments on those albums I played. Very happy to finally have it here!

Yes!

I think that's the one I saw a live version of ... and yeah, it was pretty nice ... still more often than not I thought the soloists were competent and elaborate, rather than engaging, captivating - which to my ear is one of the things saxophone players with Ibrahim should be ... Carlos Ward is the yardstick, that tone alone can sting you, stir you, make you cry ... then there's Kippie (of course! the Godfather of 'em all!), Coetzee ... then Ricky Ford, Charles Davis, John Stubblefield - you name them! Those guys from the German radio big band (was it NDR or WDR? Or did he use both on different albums?) just don't do that for me ... not putting them down, mind me, I think these are mighty good bands and I enjoy plenty of stuff they did with the likes of Mike Gibbs or George Gruntz ... they're just not what I think matches Ibrahim's "burn" best (and neither are the three sax players in his current/recent Ekaya line-up, they're much too polished and not engaging enough ... maybe, after all, all these guys are too "schooled" (or not schooled enough to forget their schooling if that makes sense) to really let go with that inspired abandon, that controlled freedom that brought out the finest in Ibrahim's music. But still, if I evern want to check out one, which is that "earlier live recording", this one here: http://www.allmusic.com/album/ekapa-lodumo-mw0000015428 ?

a few more: since these oddballs have already spoilt this thread, here's a few more: then one that is a quote/homage, obviously: and finally, since empty rails seem to fit, too (see the Garrick above):

if inside counts, too ... love this cover:

Phew, got it, finally! But packaging was a gamble! The box was shrinkwrapped, and then thrown into a large box not stuffed very well at all, and that large box was indeed pretty mangled! Glad it arrived here okay. Got to deal with the pre-paid fees that amazon added to the order now ... (it's € 7 only, but they say they might ask for more in the conditions of their AmazonGlobal which they applied to this order even though I chose the standard shipping option which is free). Anyway, even if it's just 7 euro, I'm not into paying fees twice, since obviously the mailman at the door (I don't blame him!) had no idea about that (partially) pre-paid thing. Anyway, starting to listen now, just put "Dedication" in the player!

Thanks, saw it yesterday (post #9, from smartphone thus the link didn't get linkified) ... just had a closer look at the about us page and photo gallery - these guys sure look real and all. Still a weird thing to NOT include the two FMP-only cuts and to claim the Wewerka disc didn't exist. Anyway, since I have that one (and "Voices" on L+R too), I'm not game here. The ECM 2CD set "Resonance", btw is more to my liking anyway (and nice enough I have "Horizons" on vinyl, the one from which the ECM set omits two cuts). Link to the thread about that one (started by you know who):

It's crazy, huh, I'm really the very last ... I'll definitely complain about that, I have a hunch it has to do with some custom fees amazon made me pre-pay (!!! - never had such a thing happen before!) but that will cover a third maximum of the actual fees (about which amazon's faq say they will pay that ... ha, let's waaaaaaaaaaaaait - I'm doing so folks, just move ahead slowly! - and see).

Okay, so I'll post a list of favourites, too ... (from last night, auto save only caught half of it when I lost my network connection last night, but I made a quick copy job) 1) not sure how to deal with the "African Recordings" (KAZ/Camden) - As-Shams/The Sun or Gallo material, I think - love all those dates with horns dearly! The CDs to look for are titled African Sun (fabulous Kippie, one of the beautifullest "Memories of You" ever! and then there's "Bra Jo from Kilimanjaro" "Rolling" in under the "African Sun" ... a disc very, very dear to me), Blue for a Hip King (more great Kippie and some of that session with Blue Mitchell, Buster Cooper, Harold Land and Doug Sides, plus Ibrahim, Basil "Mannenberg" Coetzee and Lionel Beukes), Tintinyana (the remainder of the Land et al. session, mostly trio) and last but definitely not least Voice of Africa (including the fabulous version of "Mannenberg"). Besides some early stuff with Kippie (there's of course also the "Jazz Epistles" album, but that one's more derivative to my ears) you get to hear some magnificient playing by Coetzee, Duku Makasi (he's the one that soaked up Coltrane) and on some cuts Barney Rachabane (he's the one who made an album with Groove Holmes, I'm sure the Beasties would have sampled that if they had been able to lay hands on it ...) ... and then there are two "Jazz in Africa" volumes, the second of which has a pair of looooong Ibrahim tracks, and also the great "Tshona" album by Kippie Moeketsi and Pat Matshikiza. Very much worth looking for! The first has most of the "Jazz Epistles" album paired with most of the John Mehegan album from South Africa (Doug Payne has some info - a pretty botched disc, but I've not found the Mehegan material elsewhere so far). 2) next top favourite: African Marketplace - I virtually grew up with this on the turntable, one of the most often played albums at my parents' when I was a kid ... Carlos Ward is wonderful, so is Craig Harris ... and you get Lawrence Lucie on the banjo, too! 3) the Enjas ... what a wonderful bunch! I love the sparse Africa - Tears and Laughter (with an alto guy called Talib Qadr, I think it was established in one of the earlier threads that he wasn't Talib Kibwe or anyone else), but then there's the bunch of albums with Carlos Ward, of which South Africa is the one I'm most familiar with ... but Zimbabwe is wonderful, too. The one you often see mentioned, Dollar Brand at Montreux, which adds Craig Harris, does a bit less for me. 4) more Enjas, different bands: Water from an Ancient Well, Mindif, No Fear No Die (a sentimental favourite, though not the best of the bunch), African River (John Stubblefield - dig? Howard Johnson! Dig?), the LP mentioned above belongs in here ... and there was also a Sun revival in 1991, which fails to build the same exitement as the seventies dates do, but still is worth a listen, Mantra Mode with Robbie Jansen, Mannenberg and others. 5) another Enja masterpiece, one of my prob. top 20 or 25 piano trio albums: Yarona, a wonderfully captured live recording (Marcus McLaurine on bass, George Johnson on drums) 6) solo stuff ... plenty of ... favourites: Matsidiso and South African Sunshine (both on Pläne, rec. 1980) - Enja released much of both on a disc, I think titled "Portrait", but I don't regall, it's been years that I had that one borrowed from a friend, my dad has SAS on LP, I've since found both LPs myself. 7) early stuff ... I've never been too partial to the Montmarte recordings released on Black Lion (I love the Webster stuff though), don't ask me why ... I enjoy the Ellington Presents LP though. Then there's another fabulous solo album, African Piano (JAPO, rec. 1969) - a masterpiece, in my opinion. 8) avant flirtations ... just before he made his best "african recordings" (c. 1974/75), he made African Space Program for Enja, with quite a band: Cecil Bridgewater, Enrico Rava, Charles Sullivan, Kiane Zawadi, Sonny Fortune, Carlos Ward, Roland Alexander, John Stubblefield, Hamiet Bluiett, Cecil McBee, Roy Brooks (rec. 1973) - fine one, too! There's another one from 1977 which sounds a bit messy to my ears, but again is very much worth listening to: The Journey, on which you get to hear: Don Cherry, Carlos Ward, Talib Rhynie, Hamiet Bluiett, Johnny Dyani, Claude Jones, John Betsch, Roy Brooks. 9) duos ... the most glorious of them all is of course Good News from Africa with Johnny Dyani (Enja, rec. 1973) ... they did a follow up that pales a bit by comparison ... but there are fine duos with Archie Shepp, Buddy Tate (I'm not that familiar yet with that one though), Max Roach ... I kinda lost interest in the studio output of the past fifteen or so years though ... my dad kept buying some discs after "Yarona" and none of them comes close, I think. I also never really felt like getting the ones he made with those German radio big bands ... saw one of their festival gigs on TV and enjoyed it, but it's just not the same, really ... and I guess the same can be said about recent versions of his four horn band "Ekaya" ... I enjoyed the concert I heard a few years back, but in the end it's as if he doesn't have the right people around him ... they're all very competent, they all provide some very good playing and soloing, but the magic of the bands of the eighties (I'm too young to have heard any of them live, alas) is gone.

Okay, I was confused (thinking the book held the discs, too ... and that there were paperback and hardcover editions or some such). Guess I might go for both then ...

who/what is that "Sireena" label anyway?

't would surely help if they'd share the track list instead of akk those verbacious blurbs ... www.sireena.de/cat-s.html#SIR2122

Uhm, just to be clear: there's a book and a CD box and no overlap between them (i.e. the book holds no CDs, the CD box has only some booklet but does not contain the entire book)?

That's the one (to own). Got it yesterday! Seems it's not really a different remaster, just a new transfer - it does sound somewhat better though, for sure!

Uhm yes, now that you mention it ... in my list, there's a note that the Schoof session (on "Avantgarde") makes up two thirds of the FMP album "The Early Quintet" and that instead of the the two cuts from that LP on which Sven Ake Johansson was heard in Liebezeit's place, it adds two more titles with the other line-up ... not sure if those two were new to the world or previously released on some other LP ... I'm no Schoof specialist at all). However, it IS a quintet, the line-up being: Schoof, Dudek, Schlipp, Niebergall and Liebezeit. Here's the discogs entry: www.discogs.com/Manfred-Schoof-Quintet-Rolf-Joachim-Kühn-Quartet-Avantgarde/release/593521 Of those six Schoof titles, four were on the FMP (which added two others w/Johansson instead of Liebezeit), two more are of undetermined origin (undetermined at least as far as I know). (edited seventeen times until finding a way to post the link which kept disappearing ... what's going on, I remember at least one other poster mentioning that same issue, I've had it a couple of times now)

Here's a lenghty old thread: Big fan of his, got plenty more of his music compared to when that older thread started ... the one that has turned into a real favorite is this here: Vinyl only, I think - I took chances there, ordering online from some unknown to me seller not using regular grading lingo, but it turned out to be very much okay ... and most important a great rekkid!

So it's all on this one?

Okay, that does console me a bit

Oh well, pessimist that I am these days, what makes you think mine's packed the same thorough way? ... dammit, I want the sucker now!

Dang! The DHL order was something else ... so I'm *still* waiting for the Herbie, I am getting very impatient, after all it's been close to eight week since my (pre-)order and I thought the idea of pre-orders was they should send it so you have in on street day ... not that that really matters, but come on, it's been ten days en route now and was shipped only after erwbol had already received his, how effin' lame is that? Anyway, I picked up the new November edition of Wire and there's a three page review (by Greg Tate, don't know him, I think) of the box. Started reading it on my way home, makes me all the more impatient!

Can you please hold the Johnny Richards and Zorn "Circle Maker" for me? (You were right, after all!) Will need a week or so though, and will need to have another good look at all your offerings!

(Can this thread be moved to the recommendations forum? it sinks so quickly in all the album cover threads here! Please!)

Yes! And yes again ... and dammit, yes, such is life ... and indeed it's that way around here