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I’ve only spun the entire disc once, plus the bonus tracks a second time just now. The jury’s still out… but so far at least, the bonus session might just be the highlight of the entire disc for me. The “Teddy Charles” factor is really a plus! — and I wish the bonus session had been its own album-length release.

Thanks, romualdo!! I had no idea this session had so much uncertainty about it.

Strange that (apparently?) they mangled the personnel listing. Is there anything that confirms this is the first ever release of these tracks? — or is anything else known about them? Wonder what Lord has (if anything).

Thx Chuck. Looking at Discogs, this thing has been reissued on CD four (4) times total, throughout the world. I just skimmed each CD entry on Discogs, and I think each and every one of them is slightly different!! https://www.discogs.com/master/404662-Gil-Melle-Quartet-Gils-Guests?format=CD On my phone, and it would be tricky to try and detail all the differences. And of course my other question remains, as to if these bonus tracks were previously unreleased prior to 1990 (and I have the standard 1990 US CD issue, fwiw) — and if so, where and when.

Two questions about the OJC CD reissue of Gil’s Guests (which I just got from Dusty last week, my first Gil Melle album). 1) From what original release (some 10” I’m guessing? - and when were they originally released?) do the 3 bonus tracks from 18-Jan-1957 come from? There’s nothing whatsoever about their origin in the liners (Although there is a torn perforation in my booklet, presumably where you could mail in something for an OJC catalog or something — it wouldn’t have been on the back of that, would it? — my copy is missing that page.) 2) Also, I’m just noticing the line-up of those three bonus tracks as listed (in the liners) is quite different than the Wikipedia page for this album… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil's_Guests Teddy Charles is clearly audible, but there are 2-3 other names that don’t match either — so what’s the correct personnel for this “bonus” session?? The liners say: Melle, Donald Byrd, Phil Woods, Joe Cinderella (guitar), Vinnie Burke (bass), and Edmund Thigpen (drums). But the Wikipedia entry says: Melle, Woods (alto), Seldon Powell (tenor), Byrd (trumpet), Teddy Charles (vibes), George Duvivier (bass), and Shadow Wilson (drums) This is my first ever Gil Melle purchase, which I’m quite enjoying — though as much for the varied instrumentation, and especially the 3 tracks with Teddy Charles, which are quite nice!!

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I’d imagine George’s discography on his Wikipedia page isn’t complete (no idea, but inevitably there’s always a few things missing, which isn’t that surprising, and not a dig against Wikipedia). But is there anything particularly interesting that’s missing?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Coleman

Ms. Lavette is playing here Sun, July 9 — at The Hamilton again — and I’m thinking I may go catch her once again, probably just a cheap seat at the bar. Would love if any other DC board members would like to join me. And I understand she has a new album just out too!

From 1975. Fairly intense stuff…

I’d still be curious to hear the results, mostly just to gage the quality and potential for the process, especially on such an older set of recordings. (But then I’m curious about everything, to a certain extent.)

Helen is really great! I’ve heard her live 6 or 8 times — half here in DC, half back in KC (and sometimes as a ‘sideman’ in other people’s bands, backing Greg Tardy for one, iirc). I like to think of her playing coming out of somewhere similar to Kenny Barron, Mulgrew Miller, John Hicks, and maybe a bit of Stanley Cowell (I’m glad to hear in anyone thinks my ears are on backwards on any of that — and I welcome hearing contrary feedback on that.) And I find her hand Independence especially nice too — as strong on that count as Brad Mehldau (if she comes from somewhere quite different). Her extensive classical background — she was exclusivity a classical pianist thru her entire undergrad studies until like midway thru her senior year — and my hunch has always been that that accounts for her hand-independence strengths. I think I’ve got about 5 discs of hers too, iirc — and she’s a non-miss performer whenever I see she’s in town.

(black cat crossing your path...) Source: https://sites.google.com/site/mobilemojojazz/jazz-humor

Coltrane ordering at Jack In The Box

The album (CD) I started this thread about is now ONLY $5 BRAND NEW from Dusty. Every single person on this board ought to own a copy. Carpe diem. https://www.dustygroove.com/item/966458/Shintaro-Nakamura-with-Shunzo-Ohno:Evolution Hell, buy a dozen and give 'em out as calling cards for a while. This album is outrageously good, every track, damn near every solo. Don't take my word for it, you can stream the entire thing off YouTube upthread. The whole thing was recorded old-school, in one room, with just a handful of mics, iirc. It does NOT sound like an album from 1984 -- it sounds like a few of the best players from 1974 (specifically 1974-era Woody Shaw and Joe Henderson, etc...) went back in time to 1964. It doesn't sound like an attempt to identically recreate the past of the mid-60's either -- though it definitely harkens back to that, but slightly informed by the playing of the 70's. I mention Woody Shaw and 1974 specifically because Shunzo Ohno here does kinda sound like what prime Woody (from '74) would have sounded like playing on a Blue Note album from the mid-60's (a little like hearing Tolliver and Tolliver's tunes on those Jackie McLean albums from 1964 & 65). Anyway, enough from me, just get on it.

Recognizing that you did seem to capitulate, and have now included McLean in your thinking -- I have to say that I can think of no "tougher" alto player than Jackie (other than players who are clearly a little more outside that seem to be up for consideration). If Jackie's sound and manner of soloing isn't "tough" -- what the heck is? Also, Dan, did you weigh in on whether Dolphy in the studio qualifies?

Someone should grab this one — an utterly fantastic release, that I’ve revisited numerous times. Perfect sound quality, strong and inspired performances, and Hank’s only(?) recorded appearance fronting a big band.

Huh?

Just saw this on the NPR app… Reuben Wilson, organist who helped usher in soul jazz, has died at 88. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/05/1180128842/reuben-wilson-b-3-hammond-organ-soul-jazz-obituary

Oh.

No.

How about Jackie McLean? I think he’s essentially a tough but arguably slightly more an inside player, than avant. Or Eric Dolphy? — at least in the studio (live might get to be a little more avant than you’re looking for, Dan). Or are they too ‘out’ for your definition of things.

They could definitely be legit, and yes, I really don’t know. A trusted source I know voiced some concerns about them being legit, and I’d read the same (idle?) speculation somewhere else (I thought around these parts, actually, but I really don’t remember where).

I’d heard enough conjecture that they weren’t, that I too wondered. Plus, the fact that none of the sessions were complete kinda wrangled me (as is the fact they were vinyl-only, although if they’re not compete, that really doesn’t matter much in the long run). The Tolliver and Duško especially — both of which I’ve heard in full — both absolutely deserve a full release (since none of that material had been issued before).