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remember a similar sentiment when listening to his other Soulnote outing "Motion/Stllness" what now seems like ages ago.......

that's right. but be warned: once you hear one... @ etherbored : as just having pressed the "order" button, I can`t guarantee your disclaimer being sufficient and prevent liabilities in case collector`s madness takes over with me

confessing this was not on my radar until now....but liebman+farrell+foster.. this is gene perla on acoustic bass, right ?.....feel inclined to give "genesis" a try

uodate as of April 10th, 2014 available......

i believe this is the best possible positive stance towards "WyntonCrouch"

funny old times ;-)) kept "Spirit Sensitive", but got rid off "Fathers and Sons" though.....reg Von Freeman very much preferred Mr. Nessa`s product(s) and had an extra weak point for "Young and Foolish" on Daybreak Yeah, the Daybreak LP is great. Regarding Chico, Arthur Blythe, Don Pullen and that early '80s scene, I think those guys were way more on top of merging creative music and the tradition and doing something really worthwhile with it than the Young Lions of the period. Would much rather spin an accessible Chico Freeman LP than anything by Wynton and his ilk. probably me being not clear enough, but by no means it was my intention to put Freeman, Blythe, Pullen et al synonymous to "Young Lions" or "Wynton`s world".......but probably while lurking into neo classicism it became tempting to cross-over....in Chico`s case this happened (for me) via "Father and sons" (somehow mirroring Ellis and Wynton Marsalis "projects"....??) No, I know what you meant. I was just saying that those guys seemed to do a better and more interesting job of making cohesive, forward & backward-looking work than the Young Lions did, and should've been the ones to "make it." Imagine if JALC was headed by someone like Olu Dara? ok, got you - good example reg olu dara, on the other hand if his "destiny" (or should i say his destination ?) would have changed then most likely we would have been deprived for instance of his contributions on the theadgill sextett`s "when was that" or "just the facts and pass the bucket"......hard to imagine (for me)......

funny old times ;-)) kept "Spirit Sensitive", but got rid off "Fathers and Sons" though.....reg Von Freeman very much preferred Mr. Nessa`s product(s) and had an extra weak point for "Young and Foolish" on Daybreak Yeah, the Daybreak LP is great. Regarding Chico, Arthur Blythe, Don Pullen and that early '80s scene, I think those guys were way more on top of merging creative music and the tradition and doing something really worthwhile with it than the Young Lions of the period. Would much rather spin an accessible Chico Freeman LP than anything by Wynton and his ilk. probably me being not clear enough, but by no means it was my intention to put Freeman, Blythe, Pullen et al synonymous to "Young Lions" or "Wynton`s world".......but probably while lurking into neo classicism it became tempting to cross-over....in Chico`s case this happened (for me) via "Father and sons" (somehow mirroring Ellis and Wynton Marsalis "projects"....??)

funny old times ;-)) kept "Spirit Sensitive", but got rid off "Fathers and Sons" though.....reg Von Freeman very much preferred Mr. Nessa`s product(s) and had an extra weak point for "Young and Foolish" on Daybreak

since hearing this for the first time in the early eighties still one of my chico freeman faves...what a fitting contrast beetween freeman`s loose playing and the tight rhythm section(s)......... MIne too, as ballad albums go this one takes some beating. Actually a good friend marvelled at that time (aka early 80s) about Chico Freeman`s tenor tone, being based on his (father`s) roots, and thought this is proved to vast extent in "Spirit Sensitive"......no question the "Zeitgeist" was more consequently mirrored in Chico`s self titled India Navigation record from 1977, the far east tinged "The Outside Within" or the Black Saint outing "Warriors"........ Still tells a lot about Chico`s self confidence to record music "against the tides"....of course this was also on the verge of jazz music`s neo-classizism and vaguely remember Chicho being in the outer circles of the early to mid 80s "young lions" labeling, but probably me being wrong..... PS just out of memory, did not Arthur Blythe record "In the Tradition" at subject time too ??

since hearing this for the first time in the early eighties still one of my chico freeman faves...what a fitting contrast beetween freeman`s loose playing and the tight rhythm section(s).........

good news (at least to me) regarding "choma" - what`leaves me somehow stunned ist the fact that ace ist not using the original album`s artefact as a whole and in if there was a need being a little bit "creative" reg. artwork, why is this now different to foster`s "loud minority" and has to be part of the "boblicity" series with the "fat" logo featured on it......or is this just me being too stubborn and picky ??...just wondering, and even more so, as there is a lot of respect regarding ACE as reissue company with me..... PS and with alice clarke "the complete studio recordings 1968-1972" a third different approach from ACE to use mainstream`s original coverart....... Update as of April 9th : either yesterday me being weary eyed or simply unable to realize facts, but the cover design seems rather in line with the recent frank foster "loud minority" reissue - profound apology from my side !!

i believe the relating stray tracks - at least me being positiv regarding "awareness" - were part of the japanese reissues....

I think Jonathan is referring to the Half Note recordings from 1959 (Konitz/Marsh/Evans/Garrison/Motian) - some was released in full on a Verve twofer CD in the 90's The LP releases on Revelation 22 & 27 (The Art Of Improvising, Vols 1 & 2) were just the Warne solos with rhythm section plus the occasional Konitz I have what I believe is an "unauthorized" release with 12 of the complete Half Note takes. I understand there are more than 40, so I'd buy it to get the other 30. 1 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM 27-track 10 7:42 14 BACK HOME 22-track 19 6:41 15 HALF NELSON 22-track 20 6:41 16 TANGERINE 27-track 4 6:25 17 YARDBIRD SUITE 27-track 6 7:36 18 BODY AND SOUL * 7:15 19 BACKGROUND MUSIC 27-track 11 8:26 20 WILL YOU STILL BE MINE? 27-track 7 9:02 21 PENNIES IN MINOR 27-track 14 inc. 6:34 1 IT'S YOU OR NO ONE 7:50 2 HOW ABOUT YOU 22-track 10 6:29 3 SCRAPPLE FROM THE APPLE 22-track 11 5:09 4 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM 22-track 17 7:53 5 317 E. 32nd 27-track 9 8:31 6 APRIL 22-track 18 10:26 7 IT'S YOU OR NO ONE 22-track 14 (ens.) / 22-track 16 (solo) 6:57 8 YESTERDAYS WM out 5:25 9 BABY, BABY ALL THE TIME 22-track 12 7:04 10 LENNIE BIRD 22-track 8 8:33 11 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 27-track 8 9:51 12 TWO NOT ONE 22-track 13 inc. 7:46 13 BACK HOME * 22-track 7 7:53 14 HALF NELSON * 22-track 15 8:15 15 THE SONG IS YOU 22-track 9 10:30 16 LOVERMAN WM out 4:35 17 YARDBIRD SUITE * 27-track 12 9:32 18 WILL YOU STILL BE MINE? * WM out 6:37 19 PENNIES IN MINOR 27-track 5 6:23 20 'ROUND MIDNIGHT 5:00 21 FISHIN' AROUND * 27-track 3 7:04 These are the 30 tracks, correct ?

will do so, thnx....

seconded, no doubt about it.

OK, interesting hint - this are the two Criss Cross CD`s "Conversations with Warne Vol1 + Vol. 2 " - which one you would suggest to try first, if there`s a preference feasible at all ? Lou Levy`s leaves me recurringly puzzled, sometimes enjoying his playing and other times having seemingly similar sentiments as mentioned earlier reg. Apogee...... It's a pretty fascinating story that illustrates William Gaddis' theory of "Capitalism and the Arts- the destructive element". From the book, "An Unsung Cat": Marsh and Christlieb were disappointed with the way the LP turned out. They wanted just two tenors and bass and drums like in their private sessions. together. Becker and Fagen however added Lou Levy on piano, and used arr. by Joe Roccisano. WM and PC maintained that WB and DF not only chose the wrong takes, but destroyed the true sound of the band through their engineering techniques. WM said that WB and DF, "spoiled the master in such a way that you really lose the presence of the band. We have a master that's just spectacular. So we feel that that they just castrated the music. They didn't quite know what to do with us. Originally they wanted just me alone, but I wanted Pete because Pete can really play. There was no trouble with the band, but the producers had something else in mind." In 5 days, the group recorded a total of 33 takes of ten different tunes. Becker and Fagen rejected a half dozen tunes entirely, and even on tunes they accepted, PC said they chose takes that the band didn't like. "Everything we worked for was in jeopardy. They didn't want what we wanted." The group was particularly dismayed that WB and DF rejected a "Body and Soul" that the group loved. "They looked at it with such disdain, that it wore a hole in our soul. That one tune in place of their tune "Rapunzel" would have made an entirely different LP today." PC appealed to Warner Bros. executives in an attempt to rein WB and DF in, but was told that his problem was with the producers, not them (WB). Becker and Fagen made it clear that the LP would be done their way, or it would be Shitcanned(!). After Marsh returned to NY, Christlieb and the rhythm section were called back in to the studio to record five more tunes, but only one, "I'm Old Fashioned" was used. If Marsh was called for this final session- PC said he wasn't- he declined." As a previous poster said, 1991's "Conversations With Warne" on Criss Cross is the same band without the piano that consisted of material recorded before the 1978 "Apogee" sessions. thanx for sharing, much appreciated !!!

thnx for your feedback, somehow it was my best guess you would be the one providing the info needed - thnx +VIELEN DANK !! ps as alternative I`ve found a couple of minutes ago coincidentally following link : http://www.cdbanq.com/Toshiba-EMI-Japan_bymfg_3-4-9.html#sthash.K99hw0OG.dpbs

Make sure it contains the 3 bonus tracks not on the original album: Lunarcy, Love Me, How About You. I also think it's a good album. It's interesting to hear straight-ahead jazz recorded in a world-class studio. I enjoyed Christlieb more than Marsh; Lou Levy is a monster. yes the japanese reissue features the three bonus tracks - it`s interesting to read the rather broad variety of opinions expressed for the time being.......

As Pete Christlieb Warne Marsh "Apogee" is currently reissued in Japan, may I ask for some thoughts reg subject recording.

Could somebody pls kindly provide me with a list of Pacific Jazz reissues released by EMI Japan as part of a "999 Yen" Series (titled on the OBI Jazz 999 best&more and having a numbering beginning with TOCJ 50...) in 2010 ?

Oregon`s chamber music like approach mirrors in it`s beginning the "Zeitgeist" of subject period - of course aptly being labeled as "worldmusic"....as a whole never too captivating to me, though Ralph Towner was an excellent guitar player......

to my knowledge vol.5, consisting solely of previously unissued tracks, is cd only

yes, Vol.1 feat "Summertime" already sets the tone nicely.......

Ridiculous story about Hat hut and the Ne Plus Ultra Tape. If you don't know what to do with a tape, you don't destory it. Pure craziness. I don't know if there should be repercussions. That's your call. Looking forward to the Daley release. Wondering why a owner would lease an original tape without having a first generation analog and/or digital copy based on best possible technical/aural standards at his disposal - but otherwise really sad that somebody would destroy a tape at all, even the imagination hurts......