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I still like 7 - actually, a bit more than Bundles,
but yes, there's not much challenge there - some nice
delicate pieces without being "new agey".
They are very different albums, very different sounds. 7, as you state, is very delicate. Bundles rocks out with Holdsworth's guitar front and center. Preference of either over the other will maybe have as much to do with musical tastes as with the relative merits of the two albums. Me, I really like Holdsworth, and think he was a much needed boost to the group. But I can see where someone else would disagree if they don't like guitar in Soft Machine,
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Apparently Sony/BMG is releasing remasters of Third, Fourth, Fifth, Six and Seven. Third will have a bonus live disc. I'm guessing that these are UK or Europe-only, but perhaps I am wrong.
I will have to check out 6 & 7 one of these days.
Guy, this is great news as these works are way overdue for a good remaster. The live CD included with Third is of course potentialy intriguing, but there is a LOT of live Soft Machine on the market, so we'll see if it is noteworthy. Six is well worth having for the live material which makes up half of it (it was a two record set in the day and for the blistering "Stanley Stamps Gibbons Album", one of the most exciting cuts they ever did and the last great moment on a Softs record for the wondeful Michael Ratledge. Seven is OK, worth having, but was always an anticlimax to me. It didn't reach the heights of Six, which came before it, or the wonderful Bundles (THE great Alan Holdsworth performance, to me, is the "Hazard Profile" suite from that album) which came after it. Third and Fourth, of course, belong in every collection. Third was the breakthrough work for their jazz style, and Fourth is the best album they ever did.
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Charles Tolliver 'Impact' on Strata-East
And don't forget Tolliver's earlier "Music Inc + Big Band" date.
That's the one I like.
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i'm not a big fan of the two first albums. Riot is a fantastic one, the one to have. And after, Stand, an Fresh.
I'm gonna put a few words in here about their second album - "Dance to the Music". A little less social significance, a whole lot more party. I suspect some of you guys may not have heard these records as they came out - this one blew me away when I first heard it, and it's still a favorite. A lot of people think highly of "Riot" - I never dug it, and am happy to stick with "Stand" and the singles which came right after it as Sly's finest work- to my ears, anyway.
I also feel that all of their absolute gretest work was the pre-'Riot' singles. 'Riot' is a devastating personal/political statement of despair, but I've never been totally sold on it musically (or as a life thesis). "Dance To The Music" was also a huge political statement, but not so much for the lyrics as for who was singing them. Men and women, black and white, each expressing their uniqueness yet come together for a common purpose. The one statement of the times in the lyrics comes when Cynthia Robinson cries out "All the squares go home!", a statement much more significant in early 1968 than today.
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A lot of Grateful Dead archival stuff that I picked up at the beginning of the year, and a whole lot of semi-obscure West Coast 50's jazz from the Concord Blowout sale. Also, as always, a lot of the first five albums by the Byrds.
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I have an extra copy of Jimmy Heath and Brass - Swamp Seed (Limited Edition OJC) for sale or for trade.
The shrinkwrap has been removed but the annoying sticker on the top of the jewel case has not been removed and the disc has never been opened or played.
$5 plus shipping or I will trade for a comparable jazz or blues disc that I don't already own. Feel free to PM with suggestions if you have a disc to trade.
It's a nice session, as are all of the Riverside Heath's. Someone should jump on this one at this great price.
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The Ashby recording has Frank Wess and Roy Haynes on it. How bad can it be?
It's actually excellent. I own it on the twofer 'Hip Harp' US reissue (contains 'Hip Harp' and 'In a Minor Groove') and enjoy it quite a bit:
Review of 'Hip Harp'/'In a Minor Groove' CD reissue by Scott Yanow in AMG:
Dorothy Ashby, the top jazz harpist during the 1950s, '60s, and '70s, recorded just a few albums as a leader during her career. This CD reissue has the complete contents of her Prestige and New Jazz albums: Hip Harp and In a Minor Groove. In both cases, Ashby (who really could improvise) was joined by flutist Frank Wess, bassist Gene Wright, and either Art Taylor or Roy Haynes on drums. The bop-oriented program is naturally at a low volume, but Dorothy Ashby shows that she could swing hard too. Her definitive reissue.
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I groove to Dorothy Ashby and have lots of Harold Mabern CD's!
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Not even ONE??? (Just one???)
Ok - just one.
Accent On The Blues
Jim, for having absolutely no interest in this thread, you sure post to it a lot!
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"depends on who's doing the rating" -- what does THAT mean??
Well, say that 'The Real McCoy' were to show up here five times, which could understandably happen. It's a real nice album. Now say someone were to come on here and say that 'The Real McCoy' is the greatest album that's ever been released. That would certainly overrate the case for it, even if it, very possibly deservedly, were picked on 5-6 lists here.
And that is exactly my problem with the "overrating" concept - it is a judgment call about someone else's taste. If someone thinkgs that The Real McCoy is the best album ever, then it is - TO THEM! Look, I'm a physicist with an egghead number crunching job, and even I don't understand why people feel a need to superimpose some quasi-objective ranking framework on art. It is a matter of personal taste. Someone out there CAN legitimately feel that The Real McCoy is the best record of all time.
Now, if you want to talk about jazz records popular amongst connoisseurs that I don't personally get in to, I've got a long list, but I'm not going to claim that any of them are overrated.
Good, because I'm much more interested in discussing "jazz records popular amongst connoisseurs that I don't personally get in to" with you than I am in hearing an argument on the semantics of "overrated".
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"depends on who's doing the rating" -- what does THAT mean??
Well, say that 'The Real McCoy' were to show up here five times, which could understandably happen. It's a real nice album. Now say someone were to come on here and say that 'The Real McCoy' is the greatest album that's ever been released. That would certainly overrate the case for it, even if it, very possibly deservedly, were picked on 5-6 lists here.
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THE STINKY-POO ALLSTARS PLAY FROM THE RED NOTE SONGBOOK
No doubt produced by Larry Mizell, with George Duke, Larry Carlton, Bernard Purdie, and the Memphis Horns making special guest appearances.
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Now, if the time comes when I really have to be exiled to adesert islan, we'll talk.
But right now, I'm into jettisoning bullshit and expanding beauty, so this kind of list is not relevant to my current lifestyle.
A radical lifestyle goal like that may get you exiled to a spiritual desert island in this day and age. Keep the faith.
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Can we safely assume that any title mentioned 5 or more times in this thread ISN'T overrated??
Guess that likely depends on who's doing the rating, which is most of the point.
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Riot and Fresh are by far Sly's two best albums, otherwise (mostly) a singles band (mostly), & after Fresh, a sad, precipituous descent.
Agreed. 'Stand' is the best album, but is basically made up of singles plus a long filler instrumental. All the ones up to Fresh are enjoyable, but this is a group where you can start with the 2CD Essential collection (amazing remastering) and really get the point of everything up through 'Stand' (plus a couple of classic single sides that aren't on any of the albums). 'Riot' needs to stand by itself. Each person needs to decide what they think of it, but it should be heard. 'Fresh' is good, but to me not absolutely essential. Nothing after that should be touched with a 10 foot pole, regardless of what the marketing on Rhino Handmade says.
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Saw this at the Hoffman board:
SLY & THE FAMILY STONE – Legacy upgrades the catalog! (Epic/Legacy)* In 1967, this interracial, mixed-gender combo harnessed all the disparate social and musical trends of the era and burst on the scene with a debut album that completely shook up the musical landscape with its fusion of soul, rock, R&B, psychedelia, and an emerging genre, soon to be dubbed “funk.” The sound was powerful and joyous, delivering everything one hoped to find in music -- the thrill of the new, a galvanizing groove, and lyrics that actually said something. This thrilling combination saw Sly permanently perched at the top of the album and single charts of the late ‘60s and early ‘70s, and quickly established his legacy as one of the most innovative artists in music history. 2007 will mark 40 years from the band’s first release, and Legacy is celebrating with a long-awaited upgrade of the Sly & the Family Stone catalog. Each of the seven studio albums will be available in limited-edition, lavish digipaks. Each title will feature restored and expanded packaging, including rare photos, memorabilia, and new liner notes by a diverse group of writers and artists. A bounty of bonus tracks -- many of them previously unreleased -- will be spread across all seven titles.
A Whole New Thing
Dance to the Music
Life
Stand!
There’s a Riot Going On
Fresh
Small Talk
I'll believe it when I see it, though. Haven't we been promised something like this before? And is it really such a good idea to clean up "Riot?" I always thought part of its charm was its awful sound. With any luck, Sony'll leave this one virtually untouched but give us a nice booklet with scads of details to go with it.
This is great news, especially in the case of 'Stand!". The first three came out in CD much later in the game, with much better CD sound than the last four. I agree with Big Al on 'Riot' - it somehow wouldn't feel right to hear that one with good sound, and I'm not sure how close I want to get to that album anyways. It seems like a better idea to appreciate it from a safe distance.
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Albert Ammons and Meade Lux - The First Day
Monk - Genius vol.1
Bud - Time Waits
Nichols - Trio
Cecil - Conquistador
Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Hill - Point of Departure
Rollins - Night at the VV
Rollins - Newk's Time
Dorham - Bohemia v.1
Picks submitted by Red
They're also overrated in his opinion...
MG
We'll need Red to sort that out. I think he meant to post them in this thread, accidentally posted them in the other. So unless we hear otherwise from Red, they stand as his 10 BN DID's.
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I only was casually looking, but as far as I know Live Oblivion had never been issued on CD until now. (at least at a reasonable price) That's why I was so happy to get this new CD. It's a 2CD set with a 2006 release date.
It was released as a reasonably priced 2CD set on One Way in the mid-90's, went out of print, was rereleased on some ridiculously expensive import CD's, was just rereleased as a reasonably priced 2CD set on Castle UK in October. I picked up the Castle reissue, so have my One Way set available for sale ($14 includes shipping) or trade if anyone is interested. I like the set a lot, but actually like the concurrent studio sets by the same group ('Second Wind', 'Closer To It', and especially 'Straight Ahead') even more. The live stuff is a little ragged compared to the studio takes, and while that's a good thing for some types of music, it isn't for this. The longer solos are nice to have, and the group is smoking. There are many earlier Brian Auger & Trinity, and Brian Auger & Oblivion Express releases that are also well worth having. The utter classic is 'Streetnoise', with Julie Driscoll, but 'Befour' and 'Oblivion Express' are also well worth owning, though all of these sound very different than the live album. The 70's reunion album with Julie Driscoll is also very good, with an amazing version of "No Time To Live".
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Albert Ammons and Meade Lux - The First Day
Monk - Genius vol.1
Bud - Time Waits
Nichols - Trio
Cecil - Conquistador
Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Hill - Point of Departure
Rollins - Night at the VV
Rollins - Newk's Time
Dorham - Bohemia v.1
Picks submitted by Red
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The vast majority of the Art Blakey discs especially the one with Shorter,Timmons and Morgan.
All the Horace Silver discs with Blue Mitchell and Junior Cook
Jimmy Smith-Back To The Chicken Shack
Jimmy Smith-House Party
Kenny Burrell-Midnight Blue
Kenny Burrell-Blue Lights Vol 1&2
Lee Morgan-Search For The New Land
Lee Morgan-The Gigolo
Chris, the rule was 10 discs, not 100! 10 individual releases! A big part of the experience is going through the difficult exercise of cutting the list down to 10. We get your point, and love the bodies of work by Blakey and Silver, but I can't count any of your picks in my tally unless you cut it down to 1o individual albums!
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My initial reaction to the thread title was that I would take my chances and try swimming to a better island, but with the caveat that I get to change my mind later, my picks are
John Coltrane - Blue Train
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Art Blakey - Free for All
Don Cherry - Where is Brooklyn
Monk Genius vol. 2
Wayne Shorter - Juju or Odyssey - gonna have to think about this...
Cecil Taylor Unit Structures
Andrew Hill - Andrew!!!
Bud Powell - Amazing vol. 1
Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring
Grant Green Sunday Mornin (yes, Idle Moments is better, but somehow this is the one I'd want)
Dexter Gordon Go
PS: I use the duodecimal system.
Not allowed - pick 10, base 10! And chose your Shorter!
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ran the same poll in other circles (AAJ or JC)
Not interested. Organissimo is the jazz community for me!
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for starters... (i.e. what i'm listening to this week)
jimmy smith : the sermon
thad jones : the magnificent thad jones
grant green : idle moments
joe henderson : mode for joe
paul chambers : bass on top
sonny clark : sonny's crib
horace parlan : headin' south
dexter gordon : one flight up
lou donaldson : swing and soul
hank mobley : hank
stanley turrentine : jubilee shout
herbie hancock : the prisoner
hank mobley : a caddy for daddy
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No fair submitting 13. A big part of the experience here is the challenge of cutting the list to 10!
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Crusaders would be what I would like to get if I did not have it already!
It is a great set!
/Shaft
What he said. Don't miss this set. "Young Rabbits" was my answering machine greeting for a lot of years!
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I also always found 5 a disappointment (except for "All White"), much prefer 6 to 5.