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Oh my!
Well, if that's your idea of fun, I just learned a lot more about you today.
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Let me see if I got this right...
When weighing the possibility (in theory, of course) of
A) Having easy, legal, ongoing access to quality (in theory, of course) downloads of music that would otherwise maybe or maybe not be available due to "market forces" through a business model that would still make provisions for appropriate royalty payments, etc. (in theory, of course)
against
B) Having this same music go in and (mostly) out of print (and all that that entails) and/or being subject to Andorran-like exploitation (and all that that entails)...
There are people who favor the latter scenario simply because of...
...perceived loss of potential resale value?
ONE of the reasons I favor the second scenario is that it enables a secondary market,with ALL that entails. Also, the time involved in downloads (I buy a LOT of CD's), the quality of the CD itself vs. the CD-R (I'm in the camp that believes CD-R's degrade quicker than CD's), and the packaging. liner notes and related info, the print quality involved in the real artwork vs. what I am able to produce on my home inkjet with all-use paper, etc. And that preference doesn't make me some sort of freaking idiot deserving your public scorn and your oversimplification/distortion of my points. If you disagree, just say you disagree (or don't bother), and spare me the bold font and the little faces. And it's interesting that with all your posts about standing up to what we feel is wrong and making ourselves heard, etc., that you're now saying we should roll over and give thanks for an inferior product because maybe the companies will make enough off of it to not withold product from us. And THAT fits my definition of exploitation more than Andorran companies adhering to Andorran copyright laws does. If the choice given to me in the marketplace is between an Andorran CD and a US download, I am going to go with the Andorran CD and my conscience will feel just fine with it.
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PM sent on
keith jarrett-el jucio $8.00
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Uh do you really believe that the changeover to cd was CUSTOMER DRIVEN?
I sure don't. Maybe in a very limited sense customers were going along with it, but I see no real "customer drive" to the changeover. In the sense that I might see some, there is the same happening with younger cats going for downloads for their reasons (obviously not for the reasons we might want to keep to cds, but for convenience, portability etc.)
We're always subject to the companies drive for profits. And as JAZZ customers we really don't count in any significant way.
OK, we just have different opinions on CD's then. I love them, always have, saw them as a huge step up from what was available on the market previously (LP's and especially tapes). I remember groaning at how easily LP's would get scratched, or warped, or the jackets would split. Wasted so many hours in second hand stores, looking at LP's in substandard shape. The ability to so easily go from point to point on CD's was great, the sound quality of one done right was such a pleasure.
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Here's what my crystal ball shows:
The industry is going to shift to downloads off the net and even in stores and charge just about as much, and we're not going to have a choice, we're going to either have our heads in the sand (or elsewhere) or participate in this new format change just as we did from analog to cds.
But, Lon, acknowledge the point I was making, this is a change being pushed by the companies for their profits, not pulled by consumer desire to change to a better format, the way CD's were (at least for many of us). Concord (and the whole industry) was dishonest in trying to indicate that the switchover to digital is due to "customer demand". That's my point.
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I'm just wondering what the "object" is with a CD that makes some resistant to the notion of downloaded digital music.
It can't be the disc itself, because you can make one of those yourself after the download (assuming that the industry uses a format that makes that possible, which they'd be crazy not to not at least offer that as an option, which means that anything can happen...). Unless you're really into the "label" of a CD, one's just like the other, especially once it's inside the player.
Surely it's not the jewel box itself. Jewel boxes suck. Digipacks are hipper, but less durable, and I've heard plenty of complaint about them here.
It must be the artwork, the booklet & tray card, that constitutes the "object" that one feels is lost by downloading. Ok, I can buy that, even if, once again, for reissues of LPs they're usually a poor substitute for the originals.
So, what if...
You download (presumably in a high-quality format) an OJC for, say, $7.95 (or, hopefully, less), and pay an additional $2.95 to have the booklet & tray card mailed to you. (Adjust the proces of each to whatever might be more "realistic"). Then you can burn your download to a physical CD, assemble the artwork into a jewel box of your choosing, and voila, there's your object.
Good enough? Or is that nifty yellow & black stuff on the CD face what really matters?
I can resell a CD if I decide I don't like it. I can buy multi-cd lots on ebay at very low unit prices and explore stuff I'm not familiar with. Some CD's appreciate in value (hello Mosaic), so I can buy those and explore, knowing that I can get my money back if I don't want to keep it. I can legally trade one CD for another CD without breaking any copyright laws, thus being able to further explore more music.
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If quality downloadable music comes with quality downloadable artwork/liner notes/etc at an adjusted downloadable price that reflects the savings of the company gets from not having to physically replicate any of it, then I for one would be more than just tolerant of it.
Hey - why pay $12.99 & up for something you could/should be able to download for 75% or less of that? You still get a CD out of the deal, and if you got a good printer and some good paper, original cover art at the very least. Shortest distance between two points and all that.
I agree with you, but that is also the basis of my argument. There are no indications from the companies (that I'm aware of, there sure aren't any in the current marketplace) that there will be any price breaks offered at all on downloads, and I don't see any other possible benefit (you can always throw away the jewel case!).
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That said, as the consumer trends in acquiring music continues to shift toward downloads (much in the same way that there was a shift from LP to CD) there may be, however, instances of titles that simply are not selling any more on CD that we will not reprint in that format; but they will continue to be available via digital download (via i-tunes, emusic.com, etc.).
I agree with Chewy
1 - Kids buy downloads for their Ipods. Adult jazz fans buy CD's. This (switching the jazz to downloads) is a case of industry push, not consumer pull, driving the format change for jazz. How many of you really WANT the music delivered to you in downloads instead of CD's, rather than just tolerating it? We wanted CD's because the benefits were obvious. Benefits of downloads are zero, as you can burn from your own CD's if they deliver the music in CD's.
2 - The REAL industry trend is that people are buying less, period. Understandable considering the dearth of meaningful new pop music and drying up of the reissue market.
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PM sent on the following:
Donald Edwards, In The Vernacular (Leaning House Jazz) $9 NOW $7
Robin Eubanks, 4: J.J./Slide/Curtis and Al (TCB) $8 NOW $6
Rick Germanson, Heights (Fresh Sound New Talent) $9 NOW $7
Donald Harrison, Real Life Stories (Nagel Heyer) $8 NOW $6
Tim Richards Trio, Twelve By Three (33 Records) $7 (Three Sounds inspired piano trio)
[Randy Sandke, Cliffhanger (Nagel Heyer) $8 NOW $6
Michael Thomas Quintet, The Awakening (JazHead Entertainment) $7
Peter Martin, Something Unexpected (MaxJazz) $8 NOW $6
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UP for the FINAL sale offer. Get them while they last.
ALL CDs are now $5 each, shipped in the US without jewel boxes. Buy FOUR and choose ONE of the CDs previously listed at $5 at no additional cost, while they last.
Jewel boxes still available for $1 each.
PM sent on following:
Nat Adderley Quintet, We Remember Cannon (In Out Records) $8 NOW $6
Chet Baker & Art Pepper, Picture of Heath (Pacific Jazz) $8 NOW $6
Mads Baerentzen Trio featuring Eric Alexander, 785 Madison Ave (Music Mecca) Ray Charles, The Great (Atlantic) $8 NOW $6
Joey DeFrancesco/Danny Gatton, Relentless (Big Mo) $10 NOW $8
Harry Edison, Sweets for the Sweet (Collectables) $7 NOW $5
Mark Elf, a Minor Scramble (Jen Bay Jazz) $8 NOW $6
Ella and Basie, A Perfect Match (Japanese Pablo) $12 NOW $10
Paris Reunion Band (Griffin, Davis, Shaw, Reece, Drew) French Cooking (Gazell) Johnny Hartman, Songs from the Heart (Bethlehem) $7 NOW $5
Gloria Lynn, Miss Gloria Lynn (Evidence) $6 NOW $5
Buddy Montgomery, Live at Maybeck Recital Hall (Concord) $8 NOW $6
Steve Nelson, Fuller Nelson (Sunnyside) $8 NOW $6
Philadelphia Heritage Art Ensemble, Under The Bridge (Dreambox Media) $7
Eddie Harris, The Last Concert (digi-pak is rather beaten up, disc is fine) $10 NOW
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Lon, what was the recent Pharoah side? I couldn't figure it out from the Verve website. Thanks.
'Elevation' is the last domestic Impulse! Pharoah reissue I'm aware of.
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Up because show is tonight.
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Ruth Naomi Floyd and Renewal at Cheyney State University in West Chester, PA, Dudley Center for the Arts, 7:30 PM. See Doug Ramsey's review of her latest album below her website URL.
http://www.contourrecords.com/Default.asp?
Ruth Naomi Floyd, Root to the Fruit (Contour). Ms. Floyd is a Philadelphia singer whose jazz connections and finely tuned musicianship are as organic to her art as are her Christian convictions. In her fifth album, she leads ten musicians including saxophonist Gary Thomas, drummer Ralph Peterson, bassist Tyrone Brown and the incredible flutist James Newton. Songs like "Mere Breath" and "The Bottle of Tears" disclose her as a solid composer and lyricist whose work holds up well in the company of pieces by Randy Weston, Mary Lou Williams and Antonín Dvoøák. The control, phrasing and inflections of her creamy mezzo-soprano voice make Ms. Floyd one of the most compelling singers of the day, regardless of idiom.
---By Doug Ramsey, November 22, 2006 for http://www.artsjournal.com/rifftides/. Mr. Ramsey is the author of Take Five: The Public and Private Lives of Paul Desmondand Jazz Matters: Reflections on the Music and Some of its Makers. He has written regularly for Jazz Times since 1975.
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Well a Pharoah and Shepp came out recently, via the Verve LP by Request (sort of) series. They sound great.
The Shepp was pretty useless, though, since the major cuts were available as bonus cuts on 'The Way Ahead' CD. Better if it would have been 'Things Have Got to Change' (impossible to find on CD now), or at least 'For Losers' or 'The Magic of Ju-Ju' (both pricey imports, which I did shell out for). The couple of short stray tracks from Kwanza could have been placed as bonus cuts on these.
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According to a post in this thread, these will be included on "Greatest Hits" later this year.
And there are excellent remasters of them on the "Essential" 2CD set which came out several months ago.
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Darn it.
More money to spend.
Check out deepdiscount on some of those Hip-oSelect releases. Available much cheaper than from the official website, and free shipping. I got the David Ruffin Vol. 1, Eddie Kendricks Vol. 1, Four Tops Lost and Found, and the Martha and the Vandella's Lost and Found sets for $32.78 total each, they're $39.95 + shipping from the official Hip-oSelect web site. Wish I had waited and bought the Motown singles sets that way, would have about $150 extra in my pocket right now.
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It's done. I think it will be released this fall (only a year late). It has no added performances, but it is in stereo and looks and sounds great.
I've never even heard of this! Sounds awesome. Please be sure to let us know when/where it's available.
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I just received this:
Dear Best Buy Customer,
Thank you for your recent Sly and the Family Stone Box Set order on BestBuy.com.
Due to a system error, the price of the item was incorrectly displayed. Therefore, we are unable to honor your order at the incorrect price. As a result, your order will be cancelled and you will not be charged for this item. If you used a Gift Card for this order and no longer have it, please call us toll free at 1-888-BEST BUY (1-888-237-8289) and we will send you a replacement. If you have any questions concerning our policies, please review the "Conditions of Use" which are found at www.bestbuy.com.
Because you are a valued customer, we would like to offer you a $10 Digital Coupon* toward a future purchase at www.bestbuy.com. Your coupon code is: XXXX [deleted by me, so none of you cats steal it. :-)]
Digital Coupons are easily redeemed when you shop online. Simply enter the 17-digit code listed above during checkout. We apply them to your purchases, up to the total purchase amount. The Digital Coupon must be used prior to the expiration date: June 8, 2007, at 11:59pm (CST). This offer is limited to one per customer, excludes gift cards, and is nontransferable. Please review full details below.
We look forward to your next visit to one of our stores or to www.bestbuy.com. Please do not hesitate to contact us with additional questions.
Thank you for your loyalty,
The Customer Care Team
Me too.
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Hopefully, by tomorrow morning, these charges will have disappeared, and I'll go back to my original plan, which was to go to BB on my lunch hour and hold 'em to the 39.99 price.
Good luck there, too. the small print in their Sunday ad said "minimum two per store", so unless you're one of the first two, you won't see that price either. Circuit City is even worse on that particular ploy. DeepDiscount and Amazon are both very expensive relative to list price on this one, so I may be waiting for awhile on this. CDUniverse is the only tempting price ($49.34).
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SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME.
The best Buy Rep told me they were sold out.
When I argued that they had taken my order and had stock in then-he replied that they only update their website 1x per day.
I asked for a supervisor-they kept me on hold for 5 minutes then disconnected me.
Too good to be true-but of course no surprise as the price had to be a mistake.
Not worth $40 to me to place another order.
Betcha they have the $40 sets in stock
Any advice or just let it go?
They should just have sent an e-mail saying order cancelled since their price was an obvious mistake!
The site claims they don't have $40 sets in stock. I'd be willing to pay $40.
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I got the same notice. They're bailing on the deal.
Me too. I'm going to go to Better Business Bureay if they don't do something good. I'm willing to pay the $39.99, but not willing to be just jerked around and shut out.
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These songs will not be on there...
"Hot Fun In The Summertime", "Everybody Is A Star", & "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)" as they were part of the Greatest Hits, which will come out separately later this year.
Boy is that dumb. Why wouldn't they put them as bonus cuts on 'Stand'? Guess I'll need to keep my 'Essential' set.
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The cooperative jazz-gospel group Renewal will be performing in a free show at Cheyney State University in West Chester on Friday, April 13, at 7:30 PM, at the Dudley Center for the Performing Arts. The members of the group include pianist Bill Edgar and singer Ruth Naomi Floyd. Ruth has five CD's out on Contour Records (www.contourrecords.com) and has performed in concert in the past at the Painted Bride Art Center and the Ethical Society. Personnel on her latest CD include James Weidman (her musical director), Gary Thomas, James Newton, Tyrone Brown, Ralph Peterson, and others. Past personnel on her CD's and live groups have also included Julian Joseph, Bryan Carrott (the best vibes player in the world IMO, never properly captured on CD), Bobby Zankel, T.K. Blue, Terri Lyne Carrington, Craig Handy, Uri Caine, and Charles Fambrough. She is an amazing singer, the best out there to me. She is also, incidentally, my wife's old roomate from when we were dating, so I come with serious biases, but also trust my ears. Scott Yanow is as enomored of Ruth's singing as I am (see his review in AMG). In the spirit of full disclosure, I will let you know that there will no doubt be a strong faith element in the show, in case you consider that a bad thing (I'm thankful for it - find it incredibly uplifting), but the music will no doubt be outstanding. Ruth and her producer, Keith McKinley, turned down a contract offer from Polygram and interest from DIW in the early 90's to retain artistic control over Ruth's music - Polygram and DIW loved the music, wanted the lyrics watered down for mass consumption. Felser and Mrs. Felser (and hopefully our daughter Zakiyyah) will definitely be there. Let me know if you have any interest in attending. Hope to see some of you. We could also meet for dinner beforehand if interested in that.
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OK, I'll start a potential firestorm here. If anyone owns the Grant Green/Sonny Clark Mosaic box (sold mine off many years ago when the 2CD set came out on Blue Note proper), do the math and you'll see that it all would have easily fit onto three CD's instead of being maxed out to four. I noticed the Jarrett being able to fit onto one disc back when I got it, but I guess Columbia wanted to pocket a little extra coin on it, and the set was so well done in the reissue and so inexpensive that I never really worried about it.Dubious because the whole thing does fit on one cd. If the Japanese can do it surely the American CD plants can do it IMO.
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Sassy's voice is astounding on this, absolutely heavenly. I love her early vocals best of all, and this is a great place to hear them.