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If I'm looking at this in a clearheaded way, Andre probably thought that this was just a cool curiosity. His publicity/manager/etc. thought that it would be a good way to drum up visibility. I can't imagine that he anticipated any sort of blowback. I don't know Andre, I don't know his mode of thinking in this case, so all of this is purely speculative. But he seems to be squarely situated in that stage of his career where he'd rather be regarded as an artistic figure or creative doyen than a hip-hop icon. I mean, more power to him, but his hip-hop career was already a perfect container for exploration. The Love Below had a drum and bass version of "My Favorite Things," and it's spectacular. Producers like Madlib or itinerant drummer Karriem Riggins do random jazz/improv shit all the time. Kendrick was rapping over modern straight-ahead jazz on To Pimp A Butterfly. You can operate outside of the strictures or even pressures of your genre and still give maximum effort. It's really the laziness of all this that has been raising so many hackles.

And maybe he didn't. I knew him, but I can't pretend to know what he was thinking. His career is kind of an object lesson in how not all art shares the same goal. Andre 3000 wanted to make a splash at the met gala. Milford was trying to teach something. Everyone needs money, but not everyone wants it for the same reasons. I can feel negative about the state of things, but I can't afford to be pessimistic. That's purely a matter of personal exigency, and I understand the opposite impulse.

Let me put it this way: Hunter Biden is a way better painter than Andre 3000 is a pianist. It's to the extent that it feels like a social experiment of sorts. I appreciate the perspective - sincerely. There are some phenomena, like the deal with this record, that are so mind boggling and dumb that feel manufactured precisely for this moment in history. One of the few things that gives me comfort at this time is hearing stories about the old heads - about how Sunny Murray had to take it upon himself to serve as Eric Dolphy's bodyguard, because Eric was constantly under threat of assault, or about how Milford Graves still had piles of unsold IPS records sitting in his back room around the time of his passing. I think that things are baldly desperate right now, but not necessarily more desperate than they were/have been. This dust up about Andre 3000's record will just be grains of sand on the beach when all is said and done.

Exactly. If you're going to invoke the name of Thelonious Monk, and you are a music writer, you have some obligation to explicate the ways in which the work in question relates to Monk. Is Andre a virtuoso pianist? Is he a hobbyist? Does Andre have an actual grasp of harmony, or is his work more intuitive? Is there a gap in terms of quality, artistic accomplishment, or cultural relevance? Like, you don't have to answer these questions as if you were writing a dissertation. But maybe exercise a bit of self awareness beyond, "hey, this sounds like Thelonious Monk." The articles about Shipp have been crazy, too. They're treating Shipp as if he's indicative of some kind of jazz orthodoxy, which conveniently underplays the very real fact that Shipp has spent his entire career participating in fringe music. The headline in these instances is that "Jazz Pianist Doesn't Like Andre 3000" - which is utterly devoid of nuance. This is one of those situations in which the machine of the music business seems glaringly, stupidly transparent. It's been a bunch of bad-faith hot takes and very little responsibility in terms of representing art in an honest and clearheaded way.

I had to log in just to see what the line was on this thing. I say this as someone with a deep love of hip-hop and avant-garde beat music - I think it's a bad record. At the same time, I'm more troubled by the response to said record than I am the content of the album itself. I'm strongly of the mind that these self-indulgent novelty records aren't a bad thing, at least in an intrinsic sense. A good point of comparison is Kid Cudi's Speedin' Bullet 2 Heaven. That album was universally derided. It's objectively a mess of amateurish musicianship and tonal inconsistency, but it's also one of my favorite concept albums. It somehow manages to say something revealing about the artist, and it does so with ugly, confused sincerity. It's a project that deserves to exist, despite its aggressive lack of coherence. If Andre 3000 had just farted this thing out on Bandcamp, it would have been totally fine. Everyone does this these days. What's preposterous about the whole thing is that it's clearly part of a quasi-publicity stunt, timed with Andre's appearance at the Met Gala. He and his team are actively using his celebrity to push the visibility of an artistically malformed object. I try to find virtue in everything, and I'm not so precious about my first steps into this music that I forget how much of my own output represents a work in progress. But these piano pieces are just bad. Like straight up bad. They're technically inept and unfocused, without any clarity of vision. Worse still, they sound unfinished - unmixed and unmastered, lazily sold as "sketches." The thing feels like an elaborate troll - which, if that is the case, then I take back everything I said. Job well done. Andre can do whatever he wants, obviously. He's a celebrity whose fumbling efforts at art music have an admitted element of sincerity. But what makes this thing so egregious is the mass delusion that has followed in its wake. It's been nonstop critical plaudits and (bemused) admiration from casual listeners. I kind of feel like the only people who have actually been complaining are actual art musicians in the tradition that Andre is mining, like Shipp. And it's not a matter of jealousy - not entirely, at least. If I'm understanding Shipp correctly, it's not that people want Andre's listeners for themselves. They just want acknowledgement that the work has an objective reality, and that there are metrics and criteria for even considering the continuum of Black music, art music, etc. that supersede short attention spans and faddish dilettante-ism. Because most of the listeners who grab this thing will never listen to Shipp, but it's not as if Andre seems to care about that problem one way or another.

Thanks for your support, all! See you there, Steve! That gig is going to be nuts - Andrew and Bobby haven't played together in a long time, and the fires in LA prompted us to put something together. I'm really excited about the music.

Hey, all - just in case you missed this one, it's out today- Available on Bandcamp: https://karlevangelista.bandcamp.com/album/solace-angles And from Asian Improv Records: https://www.asianimprovrecords.com/product-page/air122-d All the best to you all, K/ep1

Hello, all - I figure a few of you may be interested in this brand new album, releasing April 15 on the venerable Asian Improv Records. The release in question is called Solace Angles, featuring the mighty cast of Bobby Bradford, William Roper, and my Grex mates Rei Scampavia and Robert Lopez. Solace Angles is a tribute to Los Angeles - a place I love dearly, and that has needed dear love as of late. Recorded in 2023, this recording is the culmination of a longstanding ambition of mine to record an intergenerational document of West Coast free improvisation. It touches on elements of Bobby's collaborations with the great John Carter, with shades of the seminal trio Purple Gums and the daring, open-ended work of Nels Cline and many others. In the interim between recording and release, Bobby and Roper were both impacted by the 2025 greater Los Angeles wildfires. (You may have caught wind of our fundraisers.) It was never my intention for this recording to engage with that tragic event. Rather, I'd like to think of Solace Angles as a celebration of West Coast free improvisation at its most resilient. Pre-orders and a representative preview track are available now at https://karlevangelista.bandcamp.com Thanks to all! K

Hi, Adam - sorry I missed this! Quite anxious about the coming week, but I'm hoping that the heightened state of preparedness means that the worst stretch of danger is over. Let's absolutely connect on FB (if you need help finding me, just DM me). There is a story to be told about everything that has transpired in the past few weeks, but I take some heart in knowing that the music community has done a tremendous job of taking care of its own. Bobby and Roper will land on their feet - I think it's just a matter of triage right now, on top of the incalculable personal loss.

I meant to post this in Bobby and Roper's thread, but I might as well add here- This is a master list of active resources and gofundmes related to the fires. If anyone wishes to help musicians who have been affected, this is a good resource: Support The Music Community - Fire Loss Funding

Adam, that was my post! I'm so glad it's making the rounds. I hope you and your home stay safe. In the past few days, I've had countless conversations about the state of things in LA. There are demographic, cultural, and optical factors at play that are just depressing. But the outpouring of support in the midst of this crisis has been truly astounding.

On top of the personal loss, the destruction of all that vinyl is devastating. On a brighter note, the sheer volume of people who have reached out with offers of aid is truly humbling. Music people take care of music people. It's a truly beautiful thing.

Thanks to all of you for your thoughts, kind words, and consideration! Lest it go unsaid, I'm happy for others to post any and all fundraisers for other musicians. It's an extremely chaotic situation. To those not attuned to the situation, Altadena was a musicians' haven of sorts. According to my understanding, about half of the area was burned down. The personal loss is immense, and we also lost a tremendous amount of history. Bobby's home alone was a storehouse for a lot of things that the jazz and creative music worlds will sorely miss. Any and all help is appreciated. As far as I can tell, basically all of the fundraisers have been run by friends and other musicians. Only hands can wash hands, etc. If you're in or near LA right now, please stay safe. And much love to everyone.

Hello, all- (Apologies in advance if this thread seems inappropriate for the artists subforum) Long story short, Bobby Bradford and William Roper - two LA creative musicians whom you may be familiar with - recently lost their homes in the 2025 LA wildfires. About half of Altadena was destroyed, and countless musicians were affected. Bobby actually lost his horns, escaping only with the clothes on his back. We have started two (official) fundraisers to help the aforementioned gentlemen get back on their feet. Contributions are of course extremely welcome, but any help spreading the word, etc., would be hugely appreciated. Bobby: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-bobby-bradford-rebuild-after-wildfire Roper: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-william-roper-rebuild-after-wildfire All the best, K/ep1str0phy

I was just about to post this- I enjoy this recording. W/regard to your point - although I think that Barron acquits himself well, it also sounds like there's a bit of a remove there. Barron very much strikes me as a post-bop cat who was fluid enough to hang with open structures. But Cecil's music is rooted in motivic interplay (e.g., the unit structures thing), which almost necessitated the invention of a new idiom on multiple instruments. It's the fine line that separates Jimmy Lyons from Ken McIntyre or, speaking in broader terms, Andrew Cyrille from, say, J.C. Moses. Speaking in pure hypotheticals, this is the kind of free idiom that I can see McLean getting close to. Late Coltrane had a constant (if not static) rhythmic engine, which is at odds with the momentum-oriented playing that McLean excelled at. I can imagine McLean slotting into the Lyons role well, especially if supported by a drummer as literate as Cyrille.