Actually, Chuck, I like the openness of your "organized sound" definition, but I have a little trouble with the "organized" part. Does it matter what the intent of the organization is? For example, a platoon of marching soldiers synchronizes the sound of thier boots to stay in step together. Is that, in an of itself, music? Or how about poetry. When spoken aloud, is it music? Or, on the other end of the organization question, is it possible to create music out of completely dis-organized sound? I don't know the musique concrete movement well enough to cite examples, but wasn't it kind of about having unorganized sound?