CJ Shearn

All three men make noises though, very evident on "Solar/Extension" on the "Live at Open Theater East" DVD

etherbored, I should have "Somewhere" a few days after my birthday, but your assessment of the record in relation to others in the output is interesting. I'm gonna pull out "My Foolish Heart" and then "Yesterdays", I think with MFH the trio is a bit slow to warm up, then by "Oleo" they are cooking pretty hard. They sound inspired though and "Yesterdays" from what I recall is a bit more of a low boil, more inline with "Tokyo '96" (which I have on DVD in the "Live in Japan '93/96" set). The "Standards I/II" DVD's they smoke right off, and "Whisper Not" for me exudes a playfulness that Keith is back, not quite ready for the extended vamps of years prior but with a new thoughtfulness to the head solo head format. The odd thing about that one is Jack's ride cymbal is in the left channel, and it's captured so you REALLY hear the deep wash, rivets and overtones, almost like his Sabian is an old K.

Hoffman fares better on that tune, but his choices are still too safe and clinical to my ears. When Herring solos out of his Cannon bag, he means it. Hoffman sounds like he's playing a homework assignment. Whereas Josh Redman got cute and "hip" on "Spirit of the Moment" for example, he plays like he means it, and the energy makes that album fun to listen to,

Surprising, b/c John Kelman at AAJ thinks it's one of the trio's best in a long time.

The world is all over the place. Find a place where it is not there! This whole world's wild at heart and weird on top. The world is all over the place. Find a place where it is not there! This whole world's wild at heart and weird on top. Yes!

Theres quite a bit of hard swinging bop playing on "Still Live" actually, but "Whisper Not" and "Up For It" have an abundance of it, "Yesterdays" (up for reappraisal by me) has a bit too. "Whisper Not" has a gorgeously captured DeJohnette ride.

Hardbopjazz, "Now's The Time" is heavily edited on the CD, just so you know.

The track you can skip!

http://youtu.be/oGnzwjArjUk

I understand Lon. His implied swinging and dealing with time takes getting used to, as it does with Jack, but Jack locks into a groove so much even when he's not outright swinging or playing a deep in the pocket funk or rock. One of the tunes that's so great on "Whisper Not" is that gorgeous "Poinciana". The great thing Lon when I saw Jack live back in 2008 with Pat Metheny and Larry Grenadier was I was literally right in front of Jack, those drums sound amazing! The heads sound close to calfskin, and you'd think those cymbals make for a better sound recorded but they sound so wonderful live, ironically enough.

What about Motian irks you, Lon? Is it his completely resonant bassdrum sound with no deadening, his free time approach? I think he adds something very very special to that recent Chick Corea trio with Eddie Gomez, which I must listen to again. I share your enthusiasm for Jack with Keith, I get the KJ trio albums as much for Keith as I do Jack, and anyone who says Jack is too loud as a drummer isn't listening to any of these sides carefully. There's so much to listen to, I will get "Deer Head" another time

I decided to grab it later actually, but thanks, I will whenever that is!

No hate here. I do feel funny openly saying I dig KJ around here sometimes though!

I still gotta get that one, was Motian subbing for Jack a one time thing in that band? I love "Changeless". "Endless" is one of the most beautiful tracks I've ever heard, one of my closest friends who has played piano (not jazz) since she was 3, I sent her the YT link for and she loved it. Just ordered a copy of "At the Deerhead Inn" from Amazon Marketplace for $4

The disc is OOP but shouldn't be too hard to find, I got it when it first came out. The only really really bad tune is "Yellowstone" by Jeff Lorber but it can easily be skipped. I wish I had the DVD which I think was officially released in HK for the novelty of Pat Metheny in a suit!

That band is so consistent, choosing a favorite is hard.

Was posted here a few weeks back, "Down By the Riverside" made the "Carnegie Hall Salutes the Jazz Masters" CD.

Thanks for that fasstrack.

Cool, thanks. I really like the three point ride cymbal Jack plays these days. It's really amazing how these guys still play together as a unit. All of the recordings I've heard of this band are good, so it's a matter of what I feel like in the moment.

My personal fav is "Still Live" as well as all the video sets, which were smartly packaged by ECM as twofers. John Kelman of AAJ says this ranks with "Still Live" to him, so would that be a fair assessment Lon? Other titles from the trio that rank highly for me are the above mentioned "My Foolish Heart", "Whisper Not" "Up For It" and the Live @ the BN box (which sadly I no longer own).

That film, "Icons Among Us" is great. I don't think Shipp literally meant f Herbie, Bud, Monk, it was as freelancer said, he was trying to say that it's ok to know the tradition but use that knowledge to move forward into now. Glasper made the same point in the film. He said something like "Bird wouldn't want us playing what he played".

The Power Tools lineup and the band with Brotzmann look real interesting. Too bad the discs are so $$ though.

Some friends are getting this for my birthday. I like "Yesterdays" but I don't think it was as good as "My Foolish Heart", I really like the Jarrett trio, so what are your thoughts?

Yes, that's the blindfold test I was talking about, sometimes nailing people about minutiae is just not important. Funny I said that on a board all about minutiae!

Right, I don't see any competitiveness in Bix or Louie either. The unfortunate thing about race relations in our society at that point in time was that Louis was Bix' hero and they could not really play together, at least that's what's stated in the "Keeping Time" anthology of jazz writings. It seemed to me a bit strange to put Bix' aesthetics over Louis, which is what Alex did. I've read he's said the blues scale is "the biggest lie" among other things, he's criticized Branford for not ID'ing correctly certain swing to bop era saxophonists in a blindfold test. My brief research on Hoffman shows he makes outrageous statements which serve little purpose other than to gain attention to him.