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Patrick who runs the fantastic Ayler site posted this on the Coltrane List comparing the box's track listing to that of the Ayler tree . Theres also some very interesting comments about another potential Ayler box Ayler Tree Disc 1: Track 1: The Cecil Taylor session is in the Revenant box. Track 2 - 6: The second set from the Cellar Cafe is in the box. This was previously issued on the double CD, 'Albert Smiles With Sunny' and was always a bit dubious since the first CD was taken up with the same material as on the ESP disc, 'Prophecy'. The tapes for 'Albert Smiles' came from Sunny Murray and because of legal problems I don't think there was any way the entire set would be issued again in double CD form, so Revenant were justified in adding this to the box. Track 3: The alternate take from 'Spiritual Unity'. Not in the box. This will be in the hands of Bernard Stollman at ESP. I know that Revenant had major problems with Stollman during the preparation for the box and that Stollman himself was responsible for blocking the DVD of the Ayler Fondation Maeght film after the F.M. had given their permission for its inclusion. I'll get back to that later. Ayler Tree Disc 2: Tracks 1 - 5: The September 3rd Copenhagen tape. This is probably the most controversial item in the box. I was surprised by its inclusion since Ayler Records had done such a good job with their 'Copenhagen Tapes' CD. I know that the box was in preparation for a while so it could be that Revenant secured the tape before 'The Copenhagen Tapes' came out. I asked Dean Blackwood of Revenant about it and he said he felt the box needed an example of the Don Cherry quartet to complete the chronological/historical element of the project, which makes sense. As far as I know there's nothing else available of that quartet they could have used. Tracks 6 - 8: The September 10th Copenhagen tape. These are not in the box, but they are on 'The Copenhagen Tapes' CD. Track 9: Archie Shepp interview about Ayler - not in the box. Ayler Tree Disc 3: Track 1: Burton Greene Quintet at Slugs' - this is in the box. Track 2: Burton Greene Quintet at Slugs' - there was some doubt as to whether Ayler is actually playing on this track so Revenant didn't use it. Who raised the doubt I don't know but Steve Tintweiss was involved with the box so he may have cast doubts on this track. Considering the amount of research that went into the Revenant project I'm not going to argue with them. Ayler Tree, Disc 3: Track 3: 'Holy Ghost' is 'Truth Is Marching In' from 'Live at Slug's' Track 4: 'Infinite Spirit' is 'Our Prayer' from 'Live at Slug's' Track 5: 'Alpha/Bells' is 'Bells'from 'Live at Slug's' Personnel: D. Ayler (t),A. Ayler (ts), Michel Samson (v),Lewis Worrell (b), Ronald Shannon Jackson (d). Slugs' Saloon, 5/1/66. . Ayler Tree Disc 4: Tracks 1 - 4: The Berlin Jazz Festival. This is in the box. Tracks 5 - 7: Stockholm 1966. Not in the box, but see above. Track 8: Don Cherry interview. Not in the box. Ayler Tree Disc 5: Tracks 1 - 5: Copenhagen 1966. Not in the box. Tracks 6 - 8: Newport Jazz Festival. In the box. Track 9: Coltrane's funeral. In the box. (Sorry that seems a tad disrespectful.) Ayler Tree Disc 6: Tracks 1 - 7: Fondation Maeght first concert. Not in the box. I've always assumed that this is a straight copy of the Italian BluJazz bootleg since the titles match. Dean Blackwood told me that he kept away from the F.M. material because of legal problems and only included Steve Tintweiss' tape of the free concert that Ayler gave at the tourist village after the official F.M. concerts. I think the 'legal problems' came down to Bernard Stollman again since ESP are releasing these tracks in November as 'Maeght Foundation'. By the way I think someone said that these tracks were on the 'Fondation Maeght' CD on the Water label - they aren't. The Water release is the original 2 volume Shandar LP taken from the second concert at the F.M. Ayler Tree Disc 7: Tracks 1 - 7: Fondation Maeght first concert. Same as above but retitled and taken from a radio broadcast which is probably the original source for the BluJazz bootleg. So, not in the box, but coming out on ESP. Tracks 8 - 9: Fondation Maeght second concert. Not in the box. The first track is not on the Shandar/Water release but the full version of the second track 'Holy Family' is. Track 10: The airport tape. In the box. Tucked away at the end of the Don Cherry interview. Ayler Tree Discs 8 - 11: Various interviews, not in the box. So, apart from the interviews and the BluJazz bootleg (which is coming out next month on ESP), the main pieces in the tree which are not in the box are the three sessions of the '66 band (unknown location, Copenhagen and Stockholm). Which brings me back to Mr. Stollman. There was an article about Ayler in Magnet magazine which contained the following snippet: "ESP has plans for its own Ayler boxed set, which should be out by the end of the year. Though many details are still unconfirmed, the release will compile Ayler’s ESP catalog and material from his first two tours of Europe." Now whether this is Mr. Stollman testing the water or whether he does indeed intend to produce a box set, I don't know. If so, it could be that the '66 tracks from the tree (not in the Revenant box) could end up released by ESP. But that's just speculation on my part. The only thing which does make me think that Mr. Stollman could be serious about an ESP box is the fact that he holds the key to getting the F.M. film of Ayler released as a DVD. If he manages to put that in his box then, as the man says, I'd buy that for a dollar. Hope that hasn't confused matters further. Patrick Regan www.ayler.supanet.com http://ayler0.tripod.com (mirror site - I've been having bandwidth problems since the box set came out.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/3946089.stm A tribute to Ronnie Scott's from the BBC.

yes on my one you can swap the sleeves around.

yes I have this one I dont think you can go wrong with any of the Ayler / Cherry material.

seconded - top drawer Ayler (& Cherry).

happy birthday - the same day as my son . I hope he grows to have a similar taste in music to yours.

Thanks Couw - I'm listening to to your link now.

I only have 6 of these but my favourite is

Yep - a great CD , I still play this regularly.

Thanks Simon

Dead Bully Scratchy Nutz

This was happening the night I was born 69.07.28 July 28, 1969 St. Paul de Vence Paris, France Cecil Taylor Quartet Cecil Taylor (p) Jimmy Lyons (as) Sam Rivers (ss; ts) Andrew Cyrille (d

I think I did also (it was on a Hamid Drake thread I think) after seeing a couple of very positive reviews for the second CD , one of which was in Cadence.

I love this CD, it did take a lot of listening to get my ears used to it, I find the ensemble playing more enjoyable with each listen & each notch up on the volume. The outstanding solos for me are Trane’s /John Tchicai ‘s & Pharoah Saunder’s (sounding a bit like Ayler). Hubbard does sound a bit out of place on Take 1 (edition II), but more at home on take 2 (edition I) . Archie Shepp’s solo on take 2 is superb. I agree with John that Elvin plays like a true master throughout maybe Rashid Ali wasn’t needed anyway. What was the reaction of Trane fans when this was first released?

Senior Brotzmann can certainly play some beautiful music (especially with bass clarinet)

For the last couple of days its been Trane 1965 - Ascension / Om / Kule Se Mama / Live In Seattle.

I was expecting a range of views but mediocre was one I never imagined would pop up!

Lon is spot on (as always). Dont expect New York Eye & Ear control. I like it also it has it own charm , the vocal tracks are catchy & it has a track with Albert playing the bag pipes! And a good jam at the end. I dont have another Cd quite like it .

For those that use the superb ayler.net site this has been posted on the Coltrane List. Sorry, this isn't Coltrane-related, but I know that a number of subscribers to this message list also visit my Ayler website at www.ayler.supanet.com. I've had a problem with 'excessive bandwidth usage' this weekend (presumably because of the imminent release of the Revenant box set) and my ISP has removed the site - which is a bit of a bugger. I'm not sure if the site is down for good or will return if the traffic eases (my ISP is not being very communicative at the moment) but in the meantime if anyone is trying to access the site could they use this mirror site at http://ayler0.tripod.com. Again apologies for the non-Coltrane posting. Patrick Regan ayler@supanet.com

I just found out that a local library has a copy of this one, so I'll be giving it a spin very soon. I love all the ECMs a lot! Maybe "Nice Guys" is my favourite - that one track where they do the reggae thing is hilarious! I'll dig that one out & give it a spin tonight . I bought a handful of AEC LPs a while ago on Ebay, some of which I've never given the attention to I should have . I do remember the reggae track on nice guys (is it called Jah ?).

Both are on my CD so shall we go with both?

The royal poster kindly tapped my shoulder to choose the next AOTW. I've chosen Ascension in the hope that there will be a lot a different opinions of it & that it may be a CD owned by people that wouldn't normally purchase this type of music. If you have any sort of opinion please post it. I'll be posting mine soon.

Just got back from the Stan Tracey perfomance - a great evening with some terrific contributions from Clark Tracey & Don Weller also. Thanks for putting in the effort John.

sorry 'time machine' post deleted.