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cheryomushki the Roz recording on Chandos is excellent

suggesting incipient thread convergence Handel Rinaldo

Hah, Chuck-- I'm hardcore Delian so certainly a Beecham fan & while I can still enjoy his Haydn... that Messiah always struck me as BIG but not vulgar, vivacious enough... let it rip, TB. And of course we couldn't love Handel w/o some modern performances along the way-- Mackerras certainly laudable, also Decca-era Marriner... It's certainly not my first choice but ASMF then rises well above much "NPR in the bookstore"-style pap... Richard Egarr is a fine Handelian, forgot to mention

I should add, btw, that I don't consider "Messiah" even among Handel's Top 10 most interesting oratorios but since the subject came up... Which is also to say nobody who doesn't like or doesn't care about "Messiah" & its mostly odious performing, recording tradition (there are exceptions) shouldn't let that inhibit their Handelian tumescence. Jacobs cond. Belshazzar Neumann cond. Susanna

because, happily, the enthusiasm is there & because the what are you listening to thread is where good dialogue goes to die... previous Handel hootenannies include solo keyboard best answer = Ludger Remy on CPO, complemented by Siegbert Rampe on MDG concerti grossi (for conte condoli) op. 6 best answer = Martin Gester cond. BIS, complemented by whatever, I think Pinnock better than Hogwood, Harnoncourt better in organ concertos w/ Tachezi favorite Messiah best answer = Cannonball Adderly, Messiaen Saint Francois D'Assise &, I dunno... Maybe Christie or Hogwood. ALL the pre-HIP ones are insufferable on x # of levels so unless you want/need to be a historically informed listener... But all the HIP performances have "issues" also and-- this will be even bigger problem with the operas-- while I used to indulge countertenors... Most are tolerable at best, many worse than that esp. the goddamn English hooters... AND it must be said that despite Handel's adopted English, it's QUITE questionable whether the mid-late 20th c. English choral tradition is best prepared to record Handel oratorios... It's a shame really. Gardiner was probably the best but surely not the best possible, some Hogwood estimable too, if usually lacking meat and sweat. (And not to blame only the English: all Nicholas McGegan-- an American-- Handel recordings are mostly awful.) *** Alcina, Alan Curtis, his recording for DG very good... Alcina, Andrea Marcon cond. Freiburger Barock, w/ Patricia Petibon (JSngry's Lulu!) is excellent

dead link above, this likely the recording, Trenker-Speidel on MDG, great stuff. and of course tho' today i'd nearly always rather hear Bach on period instruments, for much of the 20th century, this wasn't possible or practible, and there are things to enjoy, learn from the best pianists-- and piano transcriptions of Busoni, Reger, some others. more beer?

I'm actually listening to violin concerto 2 from same band but w/ Mark Lubotsky fiddle but can't seem to find that on youtube; both are great, howev. also, dig THIS, which i'd not seen before-- how'd i miss?-- whoa!

for those who've never seen Kirchner string quartet live before steinberg cond. fleisher in piano concerto 2, throbbing

JL & CT, yes thanks-- I didn't actually mean to dismiss the Japanese scene as such, just that the movie is already overstuffed trying to limn the American, Euro & Euro-American scenes there seem s no way to reasonably incorporate the Japanese narrative, let alone the additional cost, likely language barrier etc. I could see fitting in Coltrane "Live in Japan" reference & whatever direct Japanese-American connections ya'll note there but much more than that seems someone else's project, picture.

To be "fair," Surgal is being interviewed on WKCR tonight & he's notably better spoken, more "understanding" than the Kickstarter text conveys. Host was funny, asked him if there was any coverage of the Japanese scene... there is not. (Nor, I think, should there be.) The movie qua movie, who knows-- have ya'll seen Peter Davis Hearts and Minds (1974)? I doubt it will be that ... Surgal did beat the anti-Wynton, Crouch drum some, which negative sentiments I share but please, the music's financial viability was in heaps of trouble well before those turds soiled the throne.

gigue Op. 29 gigue op. 25

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SW-- I'm not anti-Brilliant, rather pro-Handel! I found the complete contents btw-- (I'd also add nobody can make the early Dvorak string quartets outstanding but Stamitz there do as well as anyone, their Martinu & Janacek are v. good also) https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/edition-box/hnum/7697204?iampartner=n31 You can decide for yourself what groupings of works etc are desirable here but within the oratorios they include, I'd recommend... NONE, maybe the Markus Creed cond. "Jephta" but really even that a distant third choice, after the superb live Biondi cond. on BIS & peak-period Gardiner. Creed's band is good... Depending how much of the concertos & chamber etc one needs and the performances, it might be worthwhile-- the Brilliant Corelli box is recommendable, for example, if not a first choice in any pieces-- but esp. in baroque where timbre & improvisatory zing! are so important... I'm wary & in the case of the oratorios, pining elsewhere. Shosty box is very good but do ttry to hear avant- &/or wacky DSCH of "The Nose" & the early ballets also.

i'd get 'em all GB, in this repertoire small differences tell large, don't forget the Orlando Consort-- prob my fave-- either:

Skalkottas, Gerhard, Wellesz ... some Benjamin Frankel too?!

I'd be careful, SW-- can't find exact listing of contents/performers (other Amazon sites have the back cover credits but they're not readable) but first of all, you're getting all the concertos, chamber music, keyboard suites, i.e. a bulk of things you almost certainly have & might not want again.... Second, if you look back to Brilliant's previous Handel sets-- http://www.amazon.com/Masterworks-G-F-Handel/dp/B00062FLI8 (there's a second Handel Brilliant set w/ dvd but I can't seem to paste it, is new board still buggy?) which this appears to replicate in large part... prob better to hold fire & get a Handel opera or oratorio you really want? Mo' bones & smaller but the Decca Handel set from 2009 was very good overall, old Marriner ASMF on top form even w/ modern instruments http://www.amazon.com/Handel-Masterworks-CDs-Various-artists/dp/B00265TP4E/

Thanks LK, I hadn't seen that. Thing is, I find Veen more prolix than incisive-- note he doesn't mention that Spanyi has used two different bands-- the Hungarian Concerto Armonico and the Finnish Opus X-- in his cycle, nor does he compare their sizes to the Staier / Freiburger or Brilliant Classics sets. I like Staier btw but Spanyi and Ludget Remy are tops, I think; Spanyi's extensive knowledge of CPE aolo & all its potentialities might color the concerto recordings but as with any work of value, there are multiple viable interpretations, performance choices. w/ opus x studio w/ armonico live

after & before

tremendous 'la belle helene' under minkowski's 'wand'

Thanks, King-- I'll check Cerasni out. I was fortunate to find a cache of Miklos Spanyi on BIS & for the most part, find both the solo recordings and the concertos tremendous, one the glories of the label we already revere etc. & hey, look what I just found also by Spanyi-- *** Here's good text interview w/ Spanyi from 2011, about CPE Bach, Mozart & -- http://seenandheard-international.com/2011/06/miklos-spanyi-on-mozarts-other-father-a-review-and-interview-with-the-c-p-e-bach-specialist/

Place holder until our dedicated Wellesz thread is open for business. FACT: Egon Wellesz violin concerto alone >>>>> ALL Benjamin Britten orchestral music combined. FACT: each Egon Wellesz quartet >>>>>> all Benjamin Britten chamber music combined

I dunno if this best possible production-- dunno that it isn't either-- but this Busoni 'Doctor Faust' is rather revelatory-- I might be a smidgen less 'convinced' by this Prokofiev 'The Gambler' but shows you what Barenboim can actually do when inspired

Vertavo studio Vertavo live at the Het

Sylvain Cambreling SWR-SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg-Freiburg

and solo-- and while I don't long for piano CPE, Mikhail Pletnev is always at least interesting, and so he is here-- was "wild," in its way, to see this come out on DG back then too... tuff not to prefer this sound world, however--