Clunky, that might be the one......although that model came out in late '03. Perhaps the sales rep simply got his wires crossed? I dunno. You're right about all the 'bells & whistles'....that I don't need! In any event, I'm looking for a suitable amp to marry up to the YBA CD Special that I just picked up. I've thought of going tube, in fact a guy called me last week who had seen someone trade in a Conrad Johnson MV-50 & PV-8 (nice to have spies out & about!!) -- might go have a look at them. The thing I don't want to have happen though, is to pick up a pair like that and then have to turn right around and drop $300 on new tubes. What about warming up those tubes, Lon? Does it take a good hour or so....or do you always leave the system on?