Jim R

Another way of putting it (perhaps less confusing to those who haven't checked out much vocalese) would be to say that the act of setting lyrics to solos is what differentiates vocalese from simpler types of lyric writing. In other words, vocalese lyric writers do set lyrics to the melodies as well as the solos, but it's the more elaborate and difficult craft of setting lyrics to the solos that really makes the art form special.

Our German Shepherd may be related to that dog. Anytime I try to water in the back yard, she goes for the hose- particularly when it's moving (coiling the damn thing up takes forever). I thought it was just a puppy thing for awhile, but she's 6 years old now, and she still does it. Needless to say, I immobilize her when I get out my electric hedge trimmer. Good thing she's an outdoor dog- now I know what would happen if she was in the house when I got out my guitar cord! Don't let any of those nurses lick your leg.

This is one of those topics (as with the topic of whether or not one likes Chet Baker's singing) where I can easily sympathize with the "complaint", even if I don't completely feel the same way. I do enjoy jazz vocals to a degree- including Chet, and I enjoy vocalese to a degree, but I can understand why some wouldn't. I don't listen to a lot of vocalese, so the problem of "lyric intrusion" when I'm listening to a classic instrumental recording doesn't crop up very often for me. A lot of vocalese lyrics leave me unimpressed (and as much as I enjoy Eddie Jefferson's singing, I'd say in general that his lyrics are among those). I am of the opinion that Jon Hendricks is a genius of a writer, and listening to his better efforts is always very rewarding to me. I also enjoy most of his vocals, despite the rather unusual quality of his voice. Just one of those personal taste things... BTW, my all-time favorite vocalese album is LH&R's "The Swingers" (World Pac), which unfortunately has been OOP for years.

Points well taken, James, but I still don't quite see how he gets from jazz (or swing) to R&B without the "B".

The........ theme...... is just fine. I wouldn't...... suggest changing...........it....

I'm sorry (catesta)... did you say something? (I still keep getting distracted by that av-vav-a-VOOM-avatar of yours!

How about Blues (and Jazz)-> R&B-> Rock&Roll. Also, I wouldn't use the word "transitioned", as if R&B disappeared when rock&roll began.

A CLUE!! Oh... yESSSSSSSS!!

Original cover. Sorry- it was the biggest one I could find so far.

I've always enjoyed Scrabble ®, as well as other words games, like Boggle ®. I grew up playing Scrabble on the old flat (folding) board. When I started dating my wife, she and I and her mom used to play on their deluxe board (rotating; and with indentations for the pieces so they wouldn't slide around if somebody bumped the board ). In tournaments, is there any way to even out the luck of the draw (of letters)? Just curious. Anyway, best of luck!

Mone, Mone, Mone. Were you skimming? You and SDC Steve (and of course Larry Nagel) were the reason I brought it up here (earlier... read back a ways).

Thanks guys. Very well explained. I'm learning already...

Um, maybe I wasn't clear enough. I was hoping for a little clarification on how to notate moves. Are there two major approaches? Which one are you using here so far? Also, if two corresponding pieces (for instance, the two white rooks) are capable of moving to the same space, do you specify by putting a Q or a K before the "R"? Are the space designations (such as "f6" in your current move) conceived according to which side of the board you're facing, or do both players refer to each space by the same designation? Like I said, it's been awhile.

There was a cat over at Al Jones' JAZZ TRADING POST site that went by the name "Virgil Starkwell". I'd break up every time I hit the home page. Maybe he's among us under another handle... ???

I think Malone is really incredible, in terms of technique. I still haven't heard a recording by him that really grabbed me, unfortunately. I think he used to have a tendency to rely too much on his technique, instead of developing a unique individual sound and approach. I haven't heard him in awhile, though. Green seems to sound better every time I hear something by him. Let us know how it goes!

I thought all the Barclays had been reissued in improved sound, but maybe I heard wrong...

Book? What book? But seriously, JK, like I said, I'll play if there isn't interest from any real players out there. Not an ego thing with me. I don't care if I lose, or even look foolish in doing so. To me, chess is challenging, even if I've never taken it seriously. My problem is, it takes up a LOT of time for me. I don't like to (and really can't) play quickly, and I don't have enough practice to see the whole board the way a seasoned player does. I don't necessarily have a LOT of time to spend on this right now, so I'd still prefer to watch (and maybe learn something in the process). Speaking of learning, how many different systems are there for notating moves? I think there were two that predominated over at Jazz Corner, but I really have no idea (I think I had help with the basics in order to participate over there, but it's been awhile!).

The portuguese lyrics for Jobim's "Chovendo na roseira" (aka "Double rainbow") include the name "João" in the opening section: Olha Está chovendo na roseira Que só dá rosa mas não cheira A frescura das gotas úmidas Que é de Luiza, que é de Paulinho, que é de João, Que é de ninguém... Here are some vocal versions which might be available (or you could search for an audio sample online): Antonio Carlos Jobim & Elis Regina- Elis & Tom- Verve Gal Costa- Ao Vivo / Canta Tom Jobim- BMG Rosa Passos- O Melhor De Rosa Passos- Velas Ana Caram- Bossa Nova- Chesky [Warning: This music is addictive. Which is why I'm always recommending it. B) ]

Red meat, pastries, and alcohol Oh- and just keep gas in it:

It definitely goes in phases for me. Over my entire listening history, I can't even pick out one that I know I've spent more time listenting to than others. Dexter would be up there for me, Miles, Chet, Sarah, Kenny Burrell... Jobim, and Joao Gilberto. My latest jazz fascination has been pianists, and I've been focusing a lot on Eddie Higgins and Bill Charlap.

... Well, I'm hoping that somebody who actually plays the game (on a regular basis) might want to take her on. The last time I played a game was 1999, and that was the aforementioned match at Jazz Corner. The last time I played before that was probably around 1979, against our old Atari 2600! Like Big Al, I'm probably better off taking on my son. I think I could still handle him... Since I was the one who opened my big mouth, though, I would give it a shot... if nobody else wants to go for it.

cs500, I understand what you're saying, and I fully respect your "position" (sorry, couldn't resist ). I just wanted to mention that my suggestion, in general, was only meant in the spirit of fun, comraderie... a "recreational" competition. I know that for serious players, the notion of a "fun" game probably presents issues, as you have already pointed out. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, online chess can be fun, and the idea that somebody might be using a computer against me is irrelevant, IMO. In fact, it's silly. I know the object is to win, and one should always try to win, but if somebody is insecure (and deceitful) enough to cheat in order to come out on top in a situation like this, then I feel sorry for them. In other words, as long as we're talking about a recreational game where nothing is at stake, then I don't think this is a relevant issue. But I still see where you're coming from otherwise.

Over at Jazz Corner, there were a couple of guys that used to play online. I even tried it there once myself, despite the fact that I knew I was underqualified (I lost, but wasn't humiliated). Anyway, I noticed that there's a game going on there currently: Chess game at JC Maybe a few of you guys could do the same thing here... or better yet- challenge the Jazz Corner champion to come over here for a match!

"zhwow zheelBAREtoe" is pretty close, but you'd have to listen to a Brazilian say it a few times to really get it right. B)

Welcome back, Gary. I too hope things will go better for you.