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  1. 3 hours ago, soulpope said:

    No, "Double Arc Jake" is on "Don't Loose Control" (Soul Note) .... at TU - ich was there too 😇 - they were mainly playing material from their Soul Note releases ....

    As much as I remember, they played some Mingus stuff also on that gig, since it was shortly after Mingus´death. 

    But I think I have that Earth Beams also. Maybe on that is that Dannie Richmond composition...... 
    I´m  not a good collector, just pickin´ up some here and some there......, nowadays I purchase more stuff from the musicians I play with, them their albums and it´s good stuff. 

  2. Just a thought: 

    As the title of the topic is "Woody in the LP Era". Did he really live long enough to get much involved in the CD Era ? I think the last time I saw him on stage (strangly enough not with the Herd, but with an all star combo of I think 8 players, among them Buddy Tate, Scott Hamilton, Al Cohn, Jimmy Bunch I think was on piano......, Woody played a lotta fine clarinet), and I think this was at the very end of his career. I´m not sure if I saw many CD´s then, it might have been around 1985/86......., at least the later Woody Herman albums I had purchased all was LPs.........

  3. 1 hour ago, soulpope said:

    Probably this group's best outing ....

    Is this the one that has Don Pullen´s Double Arc Jake on it ? I´m not sure which is which, I have heard them live in 1980 at TU and have some of their albums, one is that of that black dressed misterious lady on the cover, the other might be Earthbeams, and I´m sure on one of them is that Don Pullen tune, one of my favourites. I think on some of them there is also a Danny Richmond composition that sounds like some Carribian Islands holiday music, really a beautiful thing...., they are so strong and Danny Richmond is among my very favourite drummers. He had an increasingly strong role in the later 70´s Mingus bands. One of his trademarks was that china cymbal, oh I love every aspect of his drumming. 

  4. 1 hour ago, soulpope said:

    He is obviously part of jazz history, but as individual player not a favourite of mine ....

    So, would you have preferred that another bass player would have taken the bass chair after Chambers, in Miles´ Second Quintet ? Who would it have been ? 

  5. On 11/24/2023 at 4:36 PM, JSngry said:

    "What Love" is just an expansion/extrapolation of "What Is This Thing Called Love". 

    Well sure I know that.  But it´s something with that piece that just doesn´t open it for me. 
    Somehow it sounds more abstract, it´s the same with some 1954 recordings I heard of Mingus, somehow they don´t move me, it sounds more "cold" for my ears. 

    And I mean, I wouldn´t perform it. On the other hand, I ´m  sure I will include "Love Bird" for a live gig......
    By the way there was another thing based on "What Is This Thing Called Love" done by Mingus, I think it was on the UCLA 1965 performance, not one of my favourite recordings, it is titled something like "Ode to Diz and Bird" and my have some strong moments, but the "Ode to Diz and Bird" that I like most is that "Parkeriana" with a collage of Dizzy´s "Ow" and a potpourrie of Bird and Diz songs in the bridge, most impressive the "If I should loose you" section, where Dolphy really sounds very Birdlike. That´s a wonderful thing with all them tempo changes, and all that power. The "UCLA" performance, not the played music nor the compositions are as strong as "Townhall April 1964",  "The Great Concert of Mingus", "Right Now" "Mingus at Monterey" and "My Favourite Quintet" ......, I think this was a very very creative period.....

  6. 1 minute ago, sgcim said:

    Doug was a great jazz guitarist like his father, but he was a long time junkie. That's why he looked like Chet.

    It´s strange that if you look at three white mega junkies (Chet, Art Pepper, Doug Raney) it´s so evident that something´s wrong with them, it´s that insane look, those sick eyes and somehow almost lookin like a homeless. 

    While other live long junkies (Joe Henderson, Woody Shaw) didn´t look like junkies. Maybe there takeins was more in a controlled manner. I mean I met both Joe and Woody and the were very articulate, classy gentlemen......

  7. 14 hours ago, rostasi said:

    If you check my post, you’ll see that the third LP has
    bass overdubs of the first LP - making it a 21 track album.

    Well I only saw the album cover.

    Oh yeah, those overdubs, I think on the America LP I had (that was a French label that had issued most of the Mingus related or Mingus led American records from the 50´s to 1970. 
    I didn´t know about overdubbing when I was a kid and heard this and have had one of the best experiences of my early live hearing it, I just heard the bass of Mingus, maybe overdubbed since it sounded stronger, and Mingus was my hero, anyway, he was the first jazz Musician I heard on record and live, so it didn´t mean so much to me. I later heard it was overdubbed but imagine, those two records "Massey Hall" and "Bud Powell Trio" (from the same date) where among my treasures, I never bought another copy I think.......

    10 hours ago, jazzbo said:

    Miles Davis “In A Silent Way” Sony Blu-Spec CD2 2023. Seems to be a Blu-Spec CD2 reissue of the mastering in Sony SRCS 9713 from 2000, a DSD remaster I have never heard before. Sounds very nice!

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    A real milestone for us kids when it came out or someone of the older kids had purchased it. That strong ostinato bass line , I think played in unison with Joe Zawinuls organ, that sounded so great. Each kid that at least could finger four strings on guitar or bass, played that line . 

    Just a wonderful record, I still have the LP somewhere. Thanks for sharing, I´m gonna listenin´to it again, to dig back into my own past....

  8. 3 hours ago, EKE BBB said:

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    1954 vintage recordings.

    I have them both but I think I had spinned the Monk album much more than the "Moving Out". I´m not sure on which , maybe on Moving out Thelonious is more sideman, can it be "More than you know"? 

    Somehow I think I didn´t spin much of Rollins pre "Saxophone Collossus" . 

  9. 6 hours ago, rostasi said:

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    Never saw it with a cover like this, with individual photos of the musicians. 

    What means "complete". Did they play more tunes than the track list of the I think 6 tunes with Bird´n Diz and the some trio tunes (actually, on the trio album it´s mixed with tracks from Birdland ) . 

    The only thing I also have is from the same year late spring some stuff at Birdland where Diz and Bird together with Candido on some tunes sit in with the regular Bud Powell trio (I think it is tracks like Cheryl, Woody´n You and Salt Peanuts or so.,.....) 

  10. Oh, alcool is a devil. 

    When I was young I also drank my beers since this was the times, you did it because all other "bad boys" did it. Now I don´t touch it and never again hat had aches in the morning or blurred feeling. 

    I have heard about Austrian vibes player Vera Auer, but it seems she was not much on the Austrian scene at least when I became involved with it. 

    But Jimmy Raney at least looked fine until the end. An old man sure, but that´s normal.

    But I was shocked when I saw a later photo of Doug Raney, his son. He looked like Chet Baker in his last year, terrible. Was he also such a heavy drinker ? 

  11. Just perfect for me. On the rare occasions I can spend to listen to a record, mostly after midnight, this is the ideal stuff for me. Such great players, and such great compositions. "Sweet Love of Mine" and "Katrina Ballerina" are tunes I love so much. Some of the best players I ever heard, I had seen the group exactly on those days of early 1983. Then with Steve Turré who is not on this special date. It was THE group of the early 80´s. Some of the best things you could hear then and learn from....

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  12. Jimmy Raney is one of my favourite guitar players. 

    But he must have had a hard time in his later years since I read that he was almost deaf. Such a terrible blow for a musician. 

    I think I read about a later studio record he made for Timeless records at the famous Max Bolleman Studio in Netherlands. 

    His son Doug was also a fantastic player but he didn´t live long enough. 

  13. On 11/24/2023 at 12:33 AM, AllenLowe said:

    I was lucky enough to hear Ware in person once, with Monk around 1969. Though it was a long time ago, I can really remember his sound; I would say he played a lot of roots and fifths (from what i remember) and his time and sound just gave him a presence, hard to describe, and I don't think the recordings are quite the same. He was a mess, tried to borrow money from me, which I didn't do (I had about 10 dollars in my pocket and had to get home).

    As for Ron Carter, for some reason I have never liked his playing, his sound. Once Dick Katz said to me "I don't want to listen to Ron Carter and his booming bass," and at  that I realized what I didn't like. The sound was just a thick mass to me the few times I saw him in person, and it lacked the more subtle soul of other bass players whom I liked better.

    Very interesting thoughts. Well I think the sound of Ron Carter was part of my early listening in the 70´s . It was the acoustic sound of that time when an acoustic bass was used anyway, which was more seldom since even older established masters like Diz and Sonny Rollins mostly used electric bass during that time. 
    Ron Carter appealed to us boys, he was Mr. Supercool and it´s natural that we listened to all the VSOP recordings and many Milestone recordings where it was most possible that Ron Carter was playing the bass. 
    But I think that Ron changed his sound somewhere in the early 2000´s . As someone said earlier they got a new tehnic to capture the bass sound, where the pickup is not attached directly to the PA sound system, but to a mike. So when I heard that strange album "4 Generations of Miles" (George Coleman, Mike Stern, Ron Carter, Jimmy Cobb) the sound was more subtile. 

     

    On 11/23/2023 at 5:11 PM, Peter Friedman said:

    No love for one of my favorites - Doug Watkins?

    Of course, if I´d listen to a typical "hard bop era" stuff from the 50´s and Doug Watkins would be on bass, it would be a safe thing. But my first , my very first listening experience of bass (when I was maybe 12 years old) was Paul Chambers, and since I wanted to get myself a bass it was his sound and his soloes that fascinated me most. What Chambers and Mingus did on solo bass just seemed incredible to me. Among about the next ten albums I purchased for little money was some Coltrane, and I had the comparation between "Blue Train" and some lesser known stuff of Trane with Wilbur Hardeen and so on, where Doug Watkins was on bass. While Chambers on "Moment´s Notice" just left me out of breeze, on those bootleg Coltrane-Hardeen session when it came to Doug Watkins´ turn to play a solo, he just walks on, same like in the ensemble playing, so at least then my thought was that it was a "lost occasion" to let me hear what this man can do on bass....., I heard a lot of Doug´s really solid playing on many sessions, but as a soloist I think Chambers at that time was no 1. 

    Eventually when my Grandma died, I got some money and bought a bass fiddle I still have. At least then I thought to adopt the bass as a second instrument to play gigs where they already had a piano player. I practiced a lot and being a pianist I had the sense for playing changes and melodies on bass as soon as I mastered to pluck them strings. 

    When it became clear that my really mission is playing the piano, bass gigs or bass practicing became more rare. Now this is 40 and more years ago and I still have the bass fiddle at home. Pickin it up again would me a lotta blisters on my fingers, which I can´t risc as a pianist.....

    But even now, 40 years after my last gigs on bass I still "feel" the strings and the grips and last week while standing at the bar during intermission and explaining the bass lines of a composition of mine to a bass player I just sung the bass figures and mimicked them with my left hand and right hand, so he said "you play bass too? You just mimicked the right left hand positions when you sang the bass line...." 

  14. 9 hours ago, ghost of miles said:

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    … highly recommended, though I’m guessing many posters here are already familiar with it. I remember in my early days of Bud fandom either reading or being advised that this and the Xanadu Bud In Paris were prime examples of later-period Powell in outstanding form. And love hearing Coleman Hawkins and Powell together on the final four tracks.

    You are right. And I think Bud really was in top form if he had the possibility to play with old comrades who came to visit Europe. Bud with Hawk is fantastic, but I would also include "Blakey in Paris" with Bud playing "Bouncin with Bud" and "Dance of the Infidels" on his highest level. They are among Bud´s very best performances. 

  15. On 11/23/2023 at 8:21 AM, romualdo said:

    Just listened to that track & you're correct - it does sound like booing & the clapping is sparse when compared to the other live titles. Why?? was Dolphy's soloing too avant for the crowd

    I´m not sure. I think French audiences were hip enough to dig Dolphy , but that piece somehow "doesn´t have it" . I mean Mingus could bring the music out to be a liink between straight ahead and "avantgarde" but it had to cook more than "What Love". Listen to "Fable of Faubus" four years later in Paris, they love it. And it´s also "difficult" for more conservative ears with all those atonality in Dolphys solos and in the chords, and has all them changes of tempo, but "What Love" somehow sounds more like western 20th century classic chamber music than "Jazz".......

  16. 21 hours ago, mikeweil said:

    That reminds me of what Joachim Ernst Berendt wrote about Brubeck in his book, talking about "unswinging phrases" and the like. Brubeck was classically trained and many of his rhythmic ideas have a lot more to do with Darius Milhaud and such, and for that you need a straight rhythm section. His concept of rhythm was beyond simple swing feel. 

    Yeah , JEB´s Jazzbock was the first jazz book I head, of course in German since at that time I didn´t know enough English to read a jazzbook (now I can read em , but my vocabulary is quite limited to jazz so I can´t read other books 😉).

    At first reading I noticed one thing: For JEB and of course for a lot of other hard core jazz fans and musicians of that time, the names (Brubeck, Peterson)  that sounded great for people who otherwise didn´t listen to jazz , were mentioned only as sidelines in Behrends book. 

    That´s how I still somehow think about Brubeck : Music for people who don´t really like "other jazz" . But it keeps my mind on that impression on the video footage: That blonde chick, mighty fine, that´s our "bad luck" as jazz musicians 😄 Those kind of chicks listened to let´s say "Brubeck" not so much to what I´d listen to or play 😄

    Same with my lady: Stunning  blonde, long legs, beautiful face, and......if she hears somewhere as background music in a bar or a shoppin´ mall some "Take Five" or "Mercy Mercy".... she say´s "that´s fantastic, why don´t YOU play stuff like that ? ". 

    Well dude, that´s our fate. Took me quite a long time in my youth to combine somehow to get the right mixture. beeing "weird" but somehow managing to get straight enough to keep a fine girl.....😀

  17. Very very interesting indeed. 
    Fela Kuti: I only had read about him in JazzPodium where his music was described as uninteresting and that he had focussed more on his arrogant stage behaviour, having a kind of "servant" who handed him his saxophone and his cigarettes. 
    I never had heard his music.

    I have one of her books, I think it is titled "Jazz People" and has some great interviews with musicians I really love , Jackie McLean, Cecil Taylor, Howard McGhee, and the best, the very very best interview about Monk, that I have ever read. 

    His answers are so quick and hip and they are truth, I mean I understood his answers very much, as his music is among my favourites . I think she did a great job doing that interview, even if she tries to ask questions in certain directions Monk wouldn´t discuss: Races, Politics etc. 
    He says something like "I´m a musician, I play and get paid for it, let the politicians worry about politics, its them their job they get paid for it...." , and where he says "I got a wife and two kids to cloth and feed". I understand that so well.......

  18. My relation to Brubeck is a very difficult one, "we" didn´t have a good start. When I was very very young, in my earliest teens and just had discovered jazz and was crazy about Mingus, Dolphy, older and new Miles Davis, Ornette, Rollins and did not know other "names" , somewhere the name of Brubeck was written and someone told me that he is some of the very best. 

    When I heard it, from track to track I was "waiting" for something that might bring emotions to me like the before mentioned but in my case it didn´t happen.

    I think later on the weekly jazz radio show for new records they spinned a live set from some University, where they play two standards and it sounded a bit rough but well enough. It is possible that it was from 1953 or 1954 and appeared on a Bellaphone LP from the "Jazz Tracks" series. First I thought it is much better than the studio LP I had heard, but later again a problem for me: The drums sounded to straight and metronome like, as the bass, and the piano was intented to be very powerfull, with block chords and so, but somehow a bit more stiff than a natural "jazz feel", at least that´s what I heard. 

    What I like on that short video footage is the blonde chick in the audience, in general the mass of the chicks was much better dressed than in comparation to audiences of today 😉

  19. 2 hours ago, romualdo said:

    I think you may be referring to the two extra tracks added to the Mosaic CD version ie alts of Body & Soul Plus Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams (The original Mosaic Candid LP box omitted these). The Mosaic CD version appears to have all of the tracks on the individual Candid CD releases AFAIK - omits some Newport Rebels  & Candid Dolphy tracks that don't include Mingus. The more recent Candid/Solid Japanese CD included the 45 edited versions of Folk Forms #1 & Original Faubus Fables.

    Because you mentioned the Newport Rebels: 

    I got it two years ago from my wife and I was astonished it´s such a thick cover, until I discovered it had all other Mingus dates of that period , I mean the cover photo in colour shows Mingus at Newport, and on the inner Sleeve is those other two records I had not known, one is the one that has Fables of Faubus on it, and I think Folk Forms and  What Love. And the other has Mingus dressed in a more British style and I think it has that "All the Things ...... something with Sigmond Freud...." and "Hellview from Bellevue" , 
    I had not heard those before. 
    But Fables of Faubus is at such a slow pace. I heard it live in the late seventies and it was much more dramatic, and until then I had heard it on the Paris Live with Dolphy, which I also like much more than the version on that Candid Session. 

    The "What Love" I heard on a live thing I think from Antibes France, but other than the hot stuff of "Wendesday Night Prayer Meeting" etc, , the Audience does not seem to like "What Love", they even booed the performance as it seems you can hear. 

  20. 3 hours ago, jazzbo said:

    Miles Davis “Miles in Tokyo” Sony Blu-Spec CD2 2023

     

     

    Superb sounding new release.

    Is this the old Miles album from 1964, with Sam Rivers playing ? 

    Miles surely was on many occasions in Tokyo. But I think in the 60´s were many live albums on CBS, I think I also have one in Berlin and so..... they are fine but have very similar set lists......, anyway, gimme Tony Williams on drums and it is great ! I love him. 

  21. On 11/20/2023 at 9:09 PM, colinmce said:

    Does anyone have any information on the track “All”? Barring any additional information it seems that this is otherwise all previously released despite the slightly weasely PR copy.

    https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/16363

    In fact, with the exception of “Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams” this is just the Reincarnation of a Love Bird album, the “fourth” Mingus Candid album that the new one claims to be. 

    I don´t really know the chronology of the Candid recordings, but the track "Reincarnation of a Lovebird" is very very interesting and a challenge to play. Beautiful changes, and great with the slow tempo section in it, which happens on more than one of Mingus´ compositions. I love them all and would like to re-perform the one or other...."Reincarnation" would be among the top of my "wishlist" but you got to have time and money to rehearse it, since I´m not sure if every musician just can check it kinda impromptu during a soundcheck, which usually is the case if you gotta play somewhere. 

    Another point: Since "Candid" was quite unknown over here in the 70´s when I built up most of my historical records knowledge, the actual version I heard was on the 1970 session in Paris, for the "America" label. My impression is, that or it was played a semiton lower (not starting with G-minor, but with Gb minor, which might be quite a challenging key for many instrumentists) , or it was recorded on a speed a bit too low......

  22. 7 hours ago, david weiss said:

    Always interesting to see this sort of feedback.

    I can answer the following from what was mentioned above.....

    No one in the band heard the introduction of the band so we had no idea a name was omitted in the introductions. 

    I assume he was also the one who mentioned our travel day. I didn't hear it though and did not mention it myself on stage but yes, it was a long travel day. We did leave Szeged, Hungary at 7:00 am (so yes, I guess we were up at 6:00) and drove around 3 hours to Belgrade, Serbia to fly to London. Getting through customs and such meant we had to go straight to the venue from the airport and right to sound check. We had a full sound check. We never hear how things sound in the house but we could hear each other well on stage. We had some food bought to us so we could quickly eat and do our best to pull clothes out of our luggage and change for the concert. 

    I don't think anyone was angry but perhaps we had our game faces on. I guess we take this stuff seriously and try to do our best. If Billy Hart was too loud in a concert hall, this to me is more of a balance issue. Billy definitely plays with a wide range of dynamics but he is accompanying the soloists and bringing the energy usually required for doing this. If you can't hear the horns in a big venue, then they needed to be bought up. Billy's drums were mic'ed but once the sound engineers heard the group, those mics should not have been on. They were definitely not needed. 

    I do remember an audience member calling out something like who is the drummer or give the drummer some and a little,  when I announced Biily's name before his drum feature, I did deliberately turn in the direction of the person who had shouted out earlier when I announced Billy's name. This is how things are usually announced and over 16 years, no one has taken issue with this so there is nothing to read into this.

    I thought it was a nice night. If anyone was tired, they didn't show it at all as is the norm with these guys. I thought the audience was wonderful and very receptive. To me, this is a special band playing music in a way that is rarely heard these days and I, at the very least, cherish the experience. 

     

    Thanks for this great input !

    Szeged is a beautiful town yeah. Not far from the Romanian borderline. 

    Billy Hart is a wonderful drummer and I always say I want to HEAR the drummer. And I want to hear them on studio records, where sometimes I have the feeling that I don´t hear each kit in the proper manner, especially the cymbals. 
    I talked to Mr. Peter Pullman (the author of the book about Bud) when he was in Viena this year in springtime when I invited him to a jazzclub and he was quite astonished that a piano player loves more powerful drummers, which is the case. I think he mentioned that most pianists are supposed to prefer drummers that are not very loud, but in my case if I play and check out a drummer he must be a quite powerful guy. We have some very good drummers here. 

    And of course Billy Hart is one of my favourites. 

  23. On 11/18/2023 at 8:24 AM, jazzcorner said:

    Harace Silver with IMO the best group he ever had

    Blue Note 84042 - Horace Silver " Horace-Scope" - rec. 1960 - Engineer: Rudy Van Gelder

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    That "Strollin´" is one of my favourite Horace Silver compositions and a beautiful thing to open a set. So comfortable to play, ....... just "strollin´...." . 
    On the other hand it´s always a bit hard for me to remember more tunes on an album since Horace made so many of them and mostly I remember important tunes which we work out on one or another occasion:

    "No Smokin´" is a favourite of mine since it is so brisc so quick, and often someone calls "Nica´s Dream" of course...

  24. 16 hours ago, Peter Friedman said:

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    I love it. Milt Jackson is great on those ballads, and I share his love for so called "difficult keys" like Db for example. 

     

    20 hours ago, EKE BBB said:

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    Good Idea. Have to play "Dig" again. Fine think to blow on it. 
    But usually we believe, that it actually was not composed by Miles, but by Jackie McLean and was titled "Donna". It´s a fine bop into cool tune based on "Sweet Georgia Brown". 
    I think there´s also "Out of the Blue" on that album, which we played, since it is a nice bop tune based on "Get Happy" so a very nice blowing vehicle you can cook on it. 

    I think it is those two tunes that I remember best from that LP, which I think was Miles very first recording for Prestige. 

  25. Thank you all so much for your great inputs. This seems to become a wonderful thread and I´m glad I opened it. 

    About CTI, I must admit that I have only 2 CTI albums as it seems: Hubbard´s "Red Clay" and the two "Mulligan-Baker at Carnegie Hall". The first mentioned has always been one of those albums that I think are just perfect, and the Mulligan-Baker I purchased only because I had heard the track "There will never be another you" in a club, spinned in the small hours and identified Ron, who was the greatest on it. 

    The most post 1970 Ron I heard on CBS (all the VSOP albums) and on the Milestone label, which I liked much more than CTI. 

    I have seen Ron both as a leader and as sideman. 

    13 hours ago, JSngry said:

    We have had Buster Williams though. 

    And Reggie Workman, perhaps the most evolved of them all! 

    Yeah, and the first time I heard Buster Williams was with Ron Carter´s Quartet in the late 70´s. Carter on piccolo bass , Kenny Barron , Ben Riley and Buster Williams. As you said, I must not have Ron on piccolo bass, and on that special concert at one point Buster played a solo, and THAT was the highlight of the evening. The boys I was with at that concert all said "Buster did cut out Ron" and that´s why he played only one solo. 
    I heard Buster on more occasions, once with Benny Golson, Curtis Fuller and Mulgrew Miller (I don´t remember who was the drummer), and Ron was on a rare occasion with Cecil Payne. Of course I had seen Ron with VSOP. 
    Reggie Workman: I saw him only once, that was with the Max Roach Quartet. 

     

    15 hours ago, jazzbo said:

     

    One great tragedy of jazz is that Paul Chambers died in 1969. He is the epitome of a jazz bassist for me, and I would love to know the work he would have done beyond 1969 if he could have made it into the next decades.

    Paul Chambers, I was only 10 years old when he died so I didn´t have the chance to hear him live. But he was the first jazz bass I had heard on record (Miles Davis "Steamin´), and you know how boys are: You find your heroes, and each of those men, Miles,Trane,Garland, Paul, Philly became "my men". 
    I´m not sure if Paul Chambers would have made a career like Ron Carter after 1970 since he was so worn out as early as from the mid 60´s on. Former the most recorded bass players in the 50´s , his appearances on BN sessions on decade later became fewer and he sounds quite strugglin on a late 60´s Lee Morgan date. I thing he was wandering around, someone said he looked poorish and always wore his "eternal black suit" which had seen better times.
    He was so desparate, that in his last year he was considering to buy an electric bass to get more gigs, but I cannot imagine he would have had a big comeback even if he lived longer......, it wasn´t his times anymore. 

     

    14 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

     

     

    Too bad Wilbur Ware didn't record more, though what he's on is wonderful. Weird cat, apparently!

     Same thing like Chambers. Wilbur Ware was so much in demand in the 50´s, he recorded with Monk, and all, but seemed to be quite out of it as the 60´s went on. The only later appearances I heard on record is on the Mozaic set "Clifford Jordan Strata East" but on many of those late 60´s sessions there is an air of mortality on it. Some near forgotten players are on it, Kenny Dorham, who hadn´t made more records after his early 60´s BN, and like Wynton Kelly with only 1 or 2 more years to live, and I think there is a solo side of Wilbur Ware also, but it sounds rough, and there is a strange little interview with him. Practically I don´t know anything about his life. Was he also involved in harmful stuff like Paul Chambers ? 

     

    10 hours ago, sidewinder said:

    Ron's just finished his first set at Cadogan Hall and his trademark glissandos were much in evidence, along with his 'walking' style. Made it all look so effortless.

     

     

     

    Oh, that must have been great ! Hope he will visit Viena too some times...... I´d like to see him again. 
    I heard a later record of him, something like "4 generations of Miles" and was quite astonished that he didn´t have his trademark sound anymore. I have heard that the sound he had in the 70´s was due to connecting the pickup to the PA-System, and now it is a mike. I´ll have to ask my bass player next time, if there would be time for chattin.....you know you play a gig, I get out during intermission to smoke a cigarrete and after the second set everybody is in hurry  to catch the last Metro......

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