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Gheorghe
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think I saw him once during the early 80s with some austrian free jazz pioneers, like Fritz Novotny, who did very much for the austrian avantgare scene. If I remember rite, Burton dug Monk very much and when it was about time to do an encore, he choose "Crepuscule with Nelly". Mr. Novotny later told me it was quite hard a hard time for him to play that tune, I heard a tape, it sounded good.....
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That´s it. So I think he came to Vienna only sporadically, but it was always a gas to hear him with greats like Fritz Pauer, Bert Thompson and Fritz Ozmec. Remember one time Erich Kleinschuster sat in for a really fast "Move". Carl Drewo might have been in his late 50´s maybe 60 but looked smart and much younger, more like an aging sportsman than a jazz musician. I was quite surprised that he died soon after that, he looked so healthy.....
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to me, he was one of the "unsung" heros of the bass, like Tommy Potter and Curly Russel before. Hard work to make it swing every night for many hours. And those bass players still had learned to play without amps and pickups, they got to cut through the horns, the drummers, that´s why they sound different......
Ore was a great bassist and he played the bass fiddle the way I like it most, just swingin hard.....
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I remember him well. Saw him live and loved what he did. Great musician. He came frequently to Jazzland to play gigs, but I think at that time he had moved to St. Gilgen/Wolfgangsee.....
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About John Ore: I´m quite sure he was exactly what Monk wanted. Monk didn´t like too much solo bass on gigs. And that kind of anticlimax, Monk doing only some spare comping and the bass just walkin on, that´s part of Monks philosophy.
Are not many bass players left who understand that.
Tried it for many times: I would have liked to get that anticlimax feeling. Just after a few chorusses one more, just with a few notes or chords , but if you try that out, the bassists immediatly "jump" on a solo. They don´t have the patience just to keep it where it is and walk on.
I tried to tell it and they say yeah I can dig that, that´s where we go, and on stage, they will forget about it.....
The only time I heard John Ore doing much solo was with Bud at Birdland: During that time, after he played his chorusses, Bud just stopped playing, he wouldn´t even do comping for the bass solos. So John Ore had to fill up the space, that´s why he plays so many and so long solos on Bud´s sets at Birdland and on the record.....
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During the 70´s 80´s he came quite often to play at Jazzland in Vienna. Solid swing
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I noticed that Sun Ra did perform quite often in Italy. Did he love the country, the people ? And it seems that he had a lot of fans down there, it seems they dug him.
I was trying to find a concert similar to what I heard in spring 1980 and got some strange CD from a Rome concert from the same time march 1980. But no liner notes.....
Bad sound quality, but great music, with the exception of the first tune, which is a quite stupid thing with flutes only, the worst starter I ever heard, but then things really improve.....
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They seem to have good tastes, each of those albums is great. And Ornette´s "The Shape of..." , actually was the first Ornette Coleman Album I bought.
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Loved his playing. My first hearing encounter was the Art Tatum Group Masterpieces album..., especially Buddy´s solo on "Deep Night".
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I also had Freddie Webster on my mind a few days ago, when I was revisiting some Joe Guy stuff from Minton´s. I also was aware of the "unknown" trumpet player but I don´t know who it is.
Freddie Webster had a beautiful broad sound with vibrato. I heard him only on a few records, his intro on Dameron´s If you could see me now on the great Sarah Vaughan album ist famous.
Joe Guy, Freddie Webster and Little Benny Harris, I think they were the unsung heroes of the early bebop days.....
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But don't they have opportunities to meet other younger players of their instrument? Don't musicians play their horns in each other's company?
I think it´s more hard for younger players to meet the older cats . During the time when Sonny was young, there sure were joints to jam. Maybe now there are "clinics" and stuff like that, but I doubt it is the same it was, when Sonny came on the scene.
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I don´t know what´s wrong in it, if he doesn´t recognize players from a younger generations, players who probably somehow more or less where influenced by HIM!
Musicians seldom buy and collect records the way jazz lovers do it.
and it would have been easier to recognize players from his generation like Trane or Hank Mobley, or some of his mentors like Hawk, Lester, maybe Don Byas.
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Thand you all !
Keep swingin´
Gheorghe
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I love Trane on that tour. Wynton Kelly too. Stitt is ok but after listening to Trane...... And knowing a bit about Steve Voce I doubt if he likes any Coltrane.
Of course, great musicians. But somehow I think Trane in 1960 didn´t fit to Wynton Kelly. Wynton was a great player, with one exception: His solos on "Walkin´". Anyway it became boring to have "Walkin´" on almost each live album from that time, but Kelly´s piano on all of the Walkin´versions sounds like some "happy piano for people without problems"..... that´s how I feel it. Kelly sounds much better to me on other tunes, especially on the medium tempo stuff, where his pretty piano really fits in.....
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Recently I listened again to those Xanadu albums with sessions from Minton´s and the many fine trumpet battles with Hot Lips Page, Roy Eldridge and Joe Guy.
I think, Joe Guy was deeply influenced by Roy, but he had some of his own ideas. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if he would have stayed on the scene.
It is interesting, that though he was some years younger than Diz or Monk, his style was a bit more traditional, but he might have been a link between the older players and those who followed, like Diz, Miles and Fats.
Miles referred to Joe Guy as "longhaired Joe". Why ? I saw a few photos, Joe Guy seemed to be a smart, well dressed musician, but not "longhaired" like the afro later in the 70´s .
I´ve read that he disappeared from the secene after he was busted for drugs. But, so many musicians served their time for drugs, like Art Pepper, Jug, Tadd, Red Rodney and many others, but they continued playing good music.
Joe Guy died "in obscurity" in Birmingham in the early 60´s . Did he play before his death, at least on a local scene, or had he stopped trumpet for good ?
Even "Little" Benny Harris, who never became "famous" and had "disappeard" from the NY scene, kept in touch with music and managed to live until 1975.
Does anybody know more about Joe Guy ?
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Best wishes to Lou !
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Might be intereresting how it sounded.
Maybe in the style of the legendary "Hillcrest" recordings. Ornette Coleman and Don Cherry in a more straight ahead manner. Parker´s "Klactoveesdsteene" (or how you spell it) done by Ornette and Don Cherry was something....
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Naturally I never had a chance to talk to Miles. But I have heard, that he was not always rude to people. Sometimes he enjoyed talking, if it was not about the usual questions. More non musical stuff, cars, women, fashion, style, stuff like that.
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I remember another album from around 1985 for BN , an encounter with McCoy Tyner. Didn´t like it as much as the earlier albums.
I heard Jackie McLean several times after 1975 and loved what he did "live", but prefer to listen to the earlier albums.
The "New Wine in Old Bottles" would be nice to try. I love Tony Williams so much, and would love to hear it.
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Well, the drummer is the most important thing. I can´t say nothing about that session because I haven´t heard it, but I got several albums I don´t like because I´m disappointed with the drummer.
I don´t remember the title, but about 10 or more years ago there was a before unissued Freddie Redd album, with a nice line up with Tina Brooks, Paul Chambers and so, but with a drummer I didn´t like. I haven´t listened often to that album.
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Me too, great with Pharoah Sanders.
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I also have the mentioned album "Four Seasons". This was recorded during the same time, when I saw him with a Dizzy All Star Quintet , Diz with Harold Land, George Cables, Herbie Lewis and Louis Hayes.
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Sometimes I really love to listen to John Lewis´ piano style. He really had a unique style and he himself said that no other piano player had influenced him.
And I remember the big smile Max Roach had when John Lewis played some extended solos with an all star Dizzy Gillespie band, on Hot House and Tin Tin Deo
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Well, sure I love Shadow Wilson with Monk, maybe a diferent topic ? Anyway, Shadow Wilson was a helluva drummer. Must have been a delight for anyone to have him play