bertrand

The jam session co-led by Butch Warren and pianist Peter Edelman is at the 'old' location at 5516 Colorado Avenue NW (corner of Colorado and Longfellow, just off 14th street and just south of the intersection of 14th and Military road). They start around 8:00 PM in theory. Last week they started at 8:20, but the week before Peter got lost picking up Butch and they didn't hit until after 9:00. We skipped going this week, but will probably be there next week, since on 3/3 I will be at the U street Twins location for the Peter Brotzmann/Hamid Drake/William Parker trio. Anyone who can come support them would be great; it's been pretty empty so far, although some excellent musicians like saxophonist Fred Foss and trumpeter Michael Thomas have sat in. When they were very late 2 weeks ago, my son (almost 4) started speculating (out loud) about Butch's whereabouts: 'Maybe he's getting a haircut', 'Maybe he's buying new shoes', 'Maybe he's using the potty'. So THAT'S WHY jazz musicians are often late for gigs! He's getting the complete jazz experience, including the 'sitting around waiting for musicians to show up'. Bertrand.

My son and I have been checking out Butch Warren at a jam session on most wednesdays (not tonight) at Twins' in D.C. I was thinking of making a compilation CD for him of some of Butch's greatest moments. I have the BN discography, and a Monk discography, but does anyone know of other sessions with Butch? I have: Kenny Dorham Jazz Contemporary The Arrival of KD Elmo Hope Celebrity/Beacon sessions Walter Bishop Trio (Prestige) Booker Ervin: Exultation Any others? Ideally, a response from someone with one of the Jazz discography CD-ROMS (Lord et alia) would be great! By the way, I think his last recording session was 2/12/64 (rejected Grant Green on BN). That's forty years ago! Thanks in advance, Bertrand.

Don't know much about Williamsburg, but if you decide to swing by D.C., let us know. Bertrand.

That's wierd about Gitler claiming that it's not a trumpet, because in his forthcoming autobiography 'How I Changed The Course of Jazz' (Houghton Mifflin, 2,653 pages, release date in the Spring), Wynton Marsalis claims that *he* was supposed to be the second horn on Mating Call. At the last minute he backed out, however, because he had to make a Buddy Bolden record date for which the tape alas disappeared before it could be released. Bertrand.

I'm with Chuck on this one - one of my favorite Mobleys. Bertrand.

Mike Fitzgerald and Noal Cohen also mention it in their Gryce bio. They don't seem too impressed with his flute playing, but I think it sounds lovely. He solos on alto, by the way. I find that arrangement stunning. One of my favorite Golson charts ever. Bertrand.

I know at least one of them is out, and he's trying to put more out. Jim, do you know if there is any material with Larry Young on these CDs? There is a famous picture of Braith, Young and Roy Haynes. How is the sound quality? Thanks, Bertrand.

Interesting moniker, dude (or dudette?).

Tastes change. I used to dislike the organ, the vibes and the guitar. Now Larry Young, Grant Green and Bobby Hutcherson are three of my favorite musicians. Go figure. Concerning others' comments: 1. Not all violinists are bad, but when they are bad, they really suck. The only concert I ever walked out of was Cecil Taylor and Matt Maneri at the Library of Congress. God that was awful! 2. On the soprano sax: a lot of sopranos do sound kind of nasal (Coltrane included), BUT Wayne Shorter has a very pure tone, and 95% of the time his soprano sounds simply lovely. Check out his solo on 'Spanish Key' on Bitches' Brew, for example. In my opinion, he is the finest soprano saxophonist in jazz, period. Even Wayne does get screechy/nasal on occasion - for example, on the live version of 'Teen Town' on Weather Report's 8:30 live. But most of the time, he is just simply amazing. 3. I once posted on a theremin thread about a rare record by Clara Rockmoor (the world's greatest theremin player) called Theremingus where she plays all tunes by you-know-who. I waited a week before admitting it was a prank. You should have seen 'em scrambling! This being said, I think 'Pithecanthropus Erectus' would sound very cool on a theremin. By the way, one of the most amazing movies I ever saw was a documentary on the theremin's inventor, Leo Theremin. He escaped Russia to come to the U.S. (he was a brilliant scientist) but was kidnapped in New York (!) by the U.S.S.R. in the forties and sent back to Moscow, where he was forced to work for years on intelligence stuff. He finally made it back to NYC in the eighties; the reunion footage with Rockmoor is amazing. There is also a hilarious interview with Brian Wilson (remember 'Good Vibrations?). Bertrand.

Another nice Shirley Scott record that Fantasy has not got around to reissuing (yet) is Plays Horace Silver. Bertrand.

I'm amazed at how many people find the copy-controlled CD defective. How can Blue Note not be rushing to do damage control as we speak? This is intended to be their biggest seller of the year, but so far it looks like they're getting a lot of returns. Someone from BN should be monitoring that little discussion. Bertrand.

John Patton told me the same thing about Alvin, just before he died... Bertrand.

It just occurred to me that I could go to Tower and return the Birdhouse CD, then wait for the box. Now I have to decide if I want the box or not. I'm not as much of a box set fan as others here, but this one just might be worth it. Does anyone know how many CDs this will be? What is contained in this set (personnel etc.) Thanks, Bertrand.

B3-er, The particular member in question did not leave because of an initial knee-jerk reaction to DEEP. He just got sick of the (small) number of board members who seemed to defend him no matter what. He and I just seem to think that some of his postings are indefensible, no matter how much of an intimate friend of his one might be. Ignoring his postings is easy (I do it every day), but having to read the postings of others who think there is nothing wrong with what he writes is much harder - it makes me question their sanity. Bertrand.

I JUST ordered the Jazztet Birdhouse CD from the Tower sale, so of course this box set is announced. I have the previous Here and Now reissue, so the only one I would really want is Another Git Together. Maybe I'll skip the box and wait 25 years. Bummer! Bertrand.

Out of sheer boredom, I read through the historical thread that Kevin posted. I agree with his basic sentiment that this is the kind of discussion that ultimately killed the old board, but I think he missed a couple of other issues raised by this thread. I am sure I will get some criticism, but so be it. 1. No one in this thread (except me) raised the fact of how GROTESQUELY inappropriate it was for Tom to name Norah Jones' boyfriend, especially in response to a query about her love life. Tom was, for all intents and purposes, her supervisor at Blue Note, in the sense where he no doubt would have a say as to whether she remained on the label or not if this issue were ever to come up for discussion. Therefore, discussing her private life on the internet ON THE COMPANY'S OWN OFFICIAL WEBSITE, was quite simply sexual harassment. If she wanted to file a grievance, she would have a strong case. Of course, theoretically the thread is gone from the official site, but it has been conveniently reproduced here... Only one person had the right to identify Lee Alexander on the BN board as Norah's boyfriend, and that would have been Norah herself, had she chosen to do so. Even Lee Alexander would have been out of line to do so (as he did on a thread on 'musicboy's' Norah Jones site, which was reproduced elsewhere here but I do not have time to search for it), but that would have been between Norah and him. The one and only response Tom should have given to halfnote was that it none of his business and a wholly inappropriate question. Which leads to a discussion of the whole monitoring issue... 2. If you recall, Aric had been banned for a while from the old BN board (before or after the Norah's boyfriend thread, I'm not sure). When Aric first appeared with a 'Is Horace Parlan gay thread' which was inappropriate in some many ways, I suggested by the only means I had (through the questions for Tom thread) that he should somehow be stopped from posting such things. I never talked about banning him, but some people jumped to that conclusion and gave me alot of grief. Eventually, Aric did go overboard and got banned, at least for a while. If Blue Note had actually bothered to set up a system to enforce the rules of conduct that we agreed to when we signed on, none of this would have happened. This happened again when Deep/Wingy made an appearance making fun of a musician for a personal health problem. I took him to task for this, and got a lot of heat from a few members (again, the banning thing was brought up, although I had never actually used that word). As a response, I started the most offensive thread I could think of (one having to do with mass murderers through history), and sure enough, the same people defending Deep/Wingy jumped on me, thereby falling into the trap I had set for them. Again, if Tom had just bothered to enforce the rules of conduct, none of this would have happened. Now, it's a different board. We are no longer on the website of a corporation tha thas an image to maintain, but on the private site of a jazz group that wishes to increase its exposure. The rule are different. B3-er can choose to censure Deep/Wingy when he starts his grotesquely homophobic thread (which may or may not be tongue-in-cheek - I have no way of knowing, since 95% I haven't got a fucking clue as to what he's prattling on about), or choose to let him be. He may suffer some consequences, but it his choice whether he wants to deal with the consequences. In this case, I know that one of our members (and a very highly-valued one at that) left on account of Deep's behavior, and it is this board's loss. Bertrand.

Was Wayne there to collect his two grammies? He's supposed to be in Tokyo tonight, so I kind of doubt it. Bertrand.

Tom, Please accept my deepest condolences. Bertrand.

The Soul Man with Wayne Shorter is another awesome one. Bertrand.

Don't miss it!!!

I was at the four gigs in Paris - they were simply outstanding. Wayne is at the top of his game RIGHT NOW - go see him. Bertrand.

I had the great pleasure of meeting Brownie last week in Paris. Brownie, Vincent (also on this board) and myself had drinks at a neat place called La Tartine in the Marais district (rue de Rivoli). We had a great time. I have been able to meet several board members in various cities around the world (this board and the old board). I love how the internet brings us together! I had an amazing time in Paris. I saw seven concerts in 10 days: 4 Wayne Shorter concerts, Milton Nascimento (without Wayne), Ravi Coltrane and Ralph Alessi, and Julian Priester. Wayne was outstanding - truly inspired by the French crowd. More details to come. Bertrand.

Is this sale in the brick and mortar stores as well? Bertrand.

Rooster, My thoughts are with you in this difficult time. Bertrand.

Brownie, Were you at that concert? Did Johnny Coles really collapse onstage after 'So Long Eric'? Bertrand.