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On 8/30/2021 at 3:41 PM, colinmce said:
Asked upthread but didn't hear anything: does anyone have any additional info about the December 1966 "tentet" performance at the Village Theater? Sessionographies list a "private tape" source. Does anyone know if this exists? Or does it circulate?
John Coltrane Tentet
John Coltrane, soprano, tenor sax, percussion; Pharoah Sanders, tenor sax, percussion; Alice Coltrane, piano; Jimmy Garrison, Lionel "Sonny" Johnson, bass; Rashied Ali, drums; + John Salgato, trumpet; unknown, tambura; Omar Ali, congas; Algie DeWitt, bata drum.
"Village Theatre", NYC, December 26, 1966
unknown title private tape Hymn - unknown title - My Favorite Things - My assumption about the "missing" 1966/67 studio recordings is that they perished in the fire, but does anyone know this for sure?
This pamphlet purports to be from the VT engagement:
On 8/28/2021 at 9:05 PM, david weiss said:The box was in a bigger box that no one opened for years. This happens more than one would think and in this case, it seems to have come to light because of one person's persistence....
On 8/29/2021 at 3:41 PM, JSngry said:Steve Griggs is a hero.
Zevvers is a...brand, at this point,
The very first sentence in the Iverson article is misleading. There is some written music for Love Supreme at the Smithsonian. It is not of course a score in the classical sense, i.e. every note that McCoy plays is not written out, but it is some form of sheet music that I assume Coltrane brought to the session as some rough guideline.
This is not the first time he has spewed such nonsense. He played at the Atlas in DC about 8-9 years ago, and in the pre-concert chat lamented about the lack of written music in Jazz. This was just a few blocks from the Library of Congress which houses such pieces as Twin Dragon and Universe by Wayne Shorter plus lead sheets for all his classic Blue Note compositions, a bunch of Herbie Nichols pieces, recorded and unrecorded, same for Tadd Dameron and several others. A lot of these had enough material for someone to be able to play them, even if they had to make some choices regarding the composers' intentions.
So yes, not nearly as much thoroughly written-out, note for note music as in classical, but far from nothing at all. Mingus may have claimed he wrote everything on 'mental score paper', but there was also written music he chose not to give to the sidemen. Not the same thing.
This kind of claim sits uneasy with me, and perpetuates stereotypes about Jazz musicians that I am not comfortable with.
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1 hour ago, JSngry said:
Maybe he got messed up in Nam?
Certainly possible. There is a story rhere, I am sure. I nudged Travis Klein on Facebook, hopefully he can get someone to dig more. Maybe the guys who did the documentary.
Does anyone have the phone number for Gene Ludwig's manager
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Travis Klein, who has a good knowledge of Pittsburgh music history, knows nothing about him. So Marvin must not have stayed in music.
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I found a similar listing. So he did not die in Vietnam but did serve. The liner notes to the Tommy Turrentine record on Time says he is an aspiring 15-year old drummer.
So he served one year and came home. Did he continue to play drums?
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The same Richard Carpenter who did not write Walkin' and ripped off Tadd Dameron and many others?
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11 hours ago, Rabshakeh said:
Sorry. Spelling error. Unless there's a third Turrentine brother who never really made it on the dulcimer.
I once read a reference in some jazz book to a brother named Marvin who supposedly died in Vietnam, although I actually looked on the wall and did not see his name.
Whether Marvin also was a musician, I do not know.
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16 minutes ago, medjuck said:
Me too. On Amazon it was a couple of hundred bucks.
Took the discogs plunge as well. Under $18 including tax and shipping.
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Any leads?
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3 hours ago, kh1958 said:
Nope.
After waiting 49 years, I can wait until year 50.
JazzTimes will have to re-print all its issues, I guess.
Live at Chateauvallon has a quartet version of this group (McPherson/Foster/Brooks) and it is quite excellent. Adding Bobby Jones is a plus for me.
Maybe I should try to find Chateauvallon.
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None of you are in quite yet.
I saw the same blurb in Jazz Times, which means they must have received some press release from his holiness Zev or one of his minions.
In my naivete and excitement, I posted it on Facebook. Someone tagged his holiness and he responded to say that there were production delays and that my post should be taken down and then the person contacted via PM to ask me to take it down.
When did Zev buy Facebook? Will this post be taken down as well?
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The virtual Baltimore Jazz Conference takes place tomorrow 10/16 from 12PM to 6PM EST.I will be giving a presentation on Jazz Research from 4:50 to 6PM. Topics will include the Left Bank Jazz Society (Baltimore and DC chapters), my ongoing inventories of the compositions of Herbie Nichols and the repertoire of the Duke Pearson Big Band, and finding unrecorded music at the Library of Congress. Film-maker Kenny Dalsheimer will also discuss his ongoing documentary on Baltimore pianist Yusuf Salim (Joe Blair).The conference is free but you must register to attend:
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5 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:
The only Blue Note / ENJA artist 'crossover' I can think of would be that single (long) Hutcherson-Land track "The Creators" from the various artists live ENJA release Live At The Festival.
Or is there anyone else besides Bobby Hutcherson I'm forgetting? Just curious what Blue Note could have even been considering.
Another track from this concert was on another compilation (see below).
It is not very clear what Blue Note might have been looking into. Maybe it was a different ENJA date. The comment did not seem to suggest that it was necessarily an artist signed to Blue Note, but this is a valid theory - ENJA probably had to get clearance at the time.
It would not be a reissue though. If there were other cuts it would be the first time out for those. I hope it is not this session.
His sloppiness is not reassuring to hear.
Live At The Festival : Bobby Hutcherson/Harold Land Quintet : Harold Land (ts) Bobby Hutcherson (vib) Hal Galper (p) Reggie Johnson (b) Joe Chambers (d) Zusaan Kali Fasteau (perc)
Live, "International Jazz Festival Ljubljana 1970", Krizanke, Ljubljana, Yugoslavia, June 4-6, 1970 The creators Enja (G)LP2030, (G)CD2030-2 [CD] Man on Mercury (zkf out) Helidon (Yugo)LP-08-003 Note: For the rest of Enja (G)LP2030, (G)CD2030-2 [CD] see Bill Evans, Karin Krog & Archie Shepp. -
Cheepnis is funny. When he stayed away from sex, he could sometimes hit the mark. But anything to do with sex, yikes. His incredible misoginy has been belabored enough, no point to dig that up again.
I have enough Zappa material, I think. I could use more things like Little House I Used To Live In or Eat That Question or The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution. Is there more out there of that calibre?
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Wow! The direct pickup sound from the 70s is much maligned, you are definitely in the minority opinion!
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6 hours ago, JSngry said:
My favorite VSOP record was the last one, which was (is?) kind of obscure.
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The Frisky Factor is pretty high here!
Circe later became Atlantis.
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About the turban:
1) Not long after 9/11, I saw him at Blues Alley. He talked to us for a few minutes afterwards from the bandstand about all the hassles he was getting when flying. I almost thought he was admitting to us that he was, in fact, a sikh, but just did not advertise it.
2) A few years later, I saw him at the Kennedy Center. There were 30 or so sikhs with turbans waiting to sign CDs afterwards. It was clear from the conversation that they thought he was 'one of them' and I did not think I should argue.
So was he really a sikh? I still don't think so, but I am not 100% sure.
All I know is he was a super sweet guy and a fabulous musician. The last of the B3 giants from that generation. I will miss him.
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A version of VSOP with DeJohnette on drums played for the Left Bank Jazz Society on 12/4/66. Supposedly they wanted Miles but could not afford him. I wonder what material they played. No recording has surfaced, which means nothing when it comes to Left Bank.
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First set will be on YouTube forever. I watched the first half yesterday. It was killing.
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33 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said:
OK, I finally got to spin the first disc yesterday, and I'm about 1/3rd of the way through the second disc now.
Couple weeks ago, when I first heard about half the second disc, I had to have the volume WAY down (late night listening, with my wife in the other room). I suppose I could have uploaded it into iTunes off my CD's, and then bothered to update iTunes on my phone -- but who has time for all that.
ANYWAY, I have to say that at a louder volume finally, this all sounds pretty darn "reasonably good" -- and the performances are f'ing amazing. Absolutely love all the Woody on disc 1 -- line after line after line of searing stuff -- not unlike Woody's four studio appearances with Andrew Hill for Blue Note (especially than insane Halloween night 1967 studio date that opens disc #3 of the BN Select, the one with Sam Rivers and Howard Johnson).
Part of me is kind of "pick my jaw up off the floor" shocked that this even got released officially, and on physical media too (even CD!). Who the hell is "Roy Brooks"? Garnett too. Hell, nobody on the entire date is a name that'll really "sell" ('cept maybe Woody, and even then).
Plus, most of this thing is quite intense -- though maybe not as insanely so as I was experiencing trying hear it at super-low volume levels back before my trip to move my dad.
Still, QUITE intense -- and shit like this don't often see the light of day through official channels.
This was why I pushed Feldman to investigate Left Bank, despite his initial reluctance. At the time, I did not know partnering with Cory Weeds was an option. It has opened a lot of doors.
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4 hours ago, bresna said:
I imagine it's one of the producers associated with Impulse! Records. The last time I was in touch with someone at Impulse!, he was located in California. I thought LA, but maybe it was Beverly Hills.
I was being somewhat facetious. I am thinking they mean Zev Feldman. I could be wrong. He is involved in this. He lives in LA. Beverly Hills is part of LA, right?
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'A producer in Beverly Hills'. Scratching my head as to who it could possibly be.
What other juicy stuff is on those reel to reels?
The article finally corrects nonsense that keeps circulating: for a long time, Antibes was the only known live RECORDING of the full suite (not just some movements), but some have been claiming that Coltrane only PERFORMED it live once, a claim that could never actually be proven and now has been disproven.
I have an article on Cal Massey that claims the full suite was played at one of his festivals in Brooklyn. Not an impossible claim, but confirmation is needed. A friend of mine is pretty sure he heard Coltrane play the entire suite in NYC. Why not? I am sure there are many gigs between 1965 and 1967 for which we have no set lists. He could have performed it dozens of times.
Bertrand.
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All the later dates are available to download for free (legally, I assume) from my Public Library. I have not listened to them yet.
I plan to get the date with Stitt unless someone says it is lackluster. Library does not have that one.
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How is the set with Stitt? I have been eyeing that one.
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So there was never a single bonus track released from Crescent? Maybe I am thinking of the 2-CD 'Coltrane', which I have.
Hank Mobley
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Did De Graff film Hank performing in Holland is what I want to know.