Popkin

stupid question but where do, say, blue train, the sidewinder and back at the chicken (ie the stuff they reissue all the time) shack fit in? It's a Blue Note survey and "Hard Bop" isn't one of the options? (nor "soul jazz") That's totally absurd.

Well, maybe that makes it less likely that they'll reissue it properly, but Paul Chambers Quintet is on the CD-R list, and it just got RVGed. (And there are other easily available RVGs that are available as CD-Rs: e.g. Smokestack, J.R. Monterose).

But would that be enough music for a select? The selects I own are usually made up of around 5 different sessions. Might Mosaic be able to issue some or all of these as singles?

It seems to me that so long as something is presently out of print, it makes perfect sense to ask whether it's ever going to be reissued (regardless of how many times the album might have been issued in the past).

I believe you can get it as a CD-R on Amazon. I've been holding off since I assume Blue Note will have to properly re-issue it some day.

Great, thanks. I guess I'll go with the 2-disc set then.

Can anyone tell me what tracks I'll be missing if I get the 2-disc legacy edition rather than the enormous 50th anniversary box?

well, yeah, these aren't terribly obscure or exciting (unlike the Feb. Blue Note RVGs, which look great), but I don't have any of them, so I'll be buying them all.

There appear to be some new RVGs listed for March on the Concord website: John Coltrane: Standard Coltrane Sonny Rollins: Worktime Miles Davis: Collectors' Items (seems like a small batch; could there be more to come?)

Speaking of which: has anyone heard anything about upcoming reissues? Are they really going to stop? Are there any plans at all for the immediate future?

This is OOP now. I placed an order the other day, and it went through, but I just received an email saying the set is sold out (and that my order was cancelled). It was totally stupid to wait until the last minute . . . anyway, does anyone know of a way to get this set, other than ebay?

hel-LO! Yes, I saw that, thanks. I guess that means that Amazon is printing certain titles on demand, and that the technology exists to do so cost effectively. I'm mostly wondering why record companies don't offer this for most of their OOP titles. E.g. instead of simply deleting a bunch of RVGs and Conns next year, why wouldn't Blue Note print these titles on demand?

because everyone on this board is really old, or because CD-Rs last a long time nowadays?

Here's another question: if record companies did print on demand, would they have to be CD-Rs? Is there no way to produce an extremely limited batch or proper CDs? I take it there are some issues with CD-Rs with regard to longevity. I know nothing about how proper CDs are produced, so maybe some kind person could educate me. Thanks.

I was thinking about the recent Blue Note deletions and I got to wondering: why doesn't EMI or Concord have some sort of service where you could order CDs on demand? Maybe some companies do this, I don't know (maybe someone could fill me in). In principle it seems like it would make sense; if there isn't enough demand to warrant maintaining inventory for some particular title, why not print individual copies to order? I would have thought the technology would be there. There seems to be a fair bit of book publishing on demand . . . Surely they could make enough money on total sales of special orders to make it economically feasible (or am I missing something?). Even if these CDs cost a bit more, I'd be willing to pay the extra charge rather than get stuck with downloading a copy to my computer.

Yeah, most of the relevant sets would have been before my time. It's a bit depressing looking over the list of OOP mosaic sets and realizing what I've missed out on.

Seems to me that there's TONS of BN stuff that's not easy to get and which I would love to see re-issued domestically. Some more-or-less random examples: Curtis Fuller: "Bone & Bari" and "Vol. 3" Clifford Jordan: "Cliff Jordan" and "Cliff Craft" Elvin Jones: all of his BN albums Jackie Mclean: "One Step Beyond", "High Frequency" and "Hipnosis" Donald Byrd: "Byrd in Flight", "I'm Tryin' to Get Home", "Chant" and "The Creeper" Bobby Hutcherson: "Total Eclipse" Duke Pearson: "Profile", "Tender Feelin's" and "Wahoo" Lou Donaldson: "Good Gracious" Blue Mitchell: "Step Lightly," "Bring it Home to Me" and "Heads Up" Hank Mobley: "A Slice of the Top" Larry Young: "Contrasts" and "Heaven on Earth" Lee Morgan: "The Rajah" Booker Ervin: "The In Between" Wayne Shorter: "Odyssey of Iska" I don't think BN is in any danger of running out of good music to re-issue any time soon.

Just from your heavy emphasis on emotion (care). Although I guess the noticing the aspect part of that isn't really phenomenological; that iconicity is more in the spirit of Wittgenstein... I don't know what any of that means. Sorry. It doesn't mean anything; that's the whole point of continental philosophy

Isn't any music, or any other art form, that fits into a specific style automatically going to fit a certain "formula." Of course any hard bop record is going to sound a lot like other hard bop records, otherwise we woudn't call it "hard bop." Similarly any film noir is going to have to follow a certain formula, otherwise we're not going to call it "film noir."

Complaining about BN in the 60s is kind of nutty. I can't think of any other label during any other period that recorded more incredible music. And I think that's true even if you're not a big fan of the standard hard bop and soul jazz that Blue Note recorded so much of. Consider these: Jackie McLean "One Step Beyond" Sam Rivers "Fuchsia Swing Song" Wayne Shorter "Speak No Evil" Joe Henderson "Inner Urge" Herbie Hancock "Maiden Voyage" Grachan Moncur "Evolution" Eric Dolphy "Out to Lunch" Andrew Hill "Point of Departure" Freddie Hubbard "Breaking Point" Art Blakey "Indestructible" McCoy Tyner "The Real McCoy" Bobby Hutcherson "Dialogue" Tony Williams "Lifetime" Larry Young "Unity" I think I would include every one of these albums in a list of top-25 jazz albums of all time; what other label & era would be better represented on such a list? Oh, and No Room for Squares is a great album (though my favourite Mobley session is the one with Herbie Hancock March 1963, that got divided up across a few different albums).

Wayne Shorter's Soothsayer Wayne Shorter James Spaulding Freddie Hubbard McCoy Tyner Ron Carter Tony Williams I think you'd have a hard time finding a better group of musicians, but this album always struck me as dull. I can't say why exactly (I haven't listened to it for quite some time). Maybe it has something to do with Tyner and Williams not being a good fit?

I think one of Morgan's biggest problems was a fondness for questionable haircuts:

I don't know, I sometimes think lee morgan was sort of good-looking

. . . and Lee Morgan has looked better.

I always thought Pearson looked like a bit of a creep here.